Ars has published review of a Macbook Pro in which they feature benchmarks contrasting the performance of the Macbook Pro, a G4 PowerBook, and an Inspiron 9100 with a hacked version of OS X. Interestingly, one of the benchmarks, Cinebench, also features the same Inspiron running Windows, in which the Inspiron/Windows combination does better overall. Of course an unfair comparison (hacked OSX vs. normal XP), but interesting nonetheless. Ars concludes: “All in all, the MacBook Pro is an extremely solid machine that makes me happy to be back in the Apple Pro notebook world after a six month hiatus in 12″ iBook-land.”
I ran Monolingual on my new Macbook. It’s HOSED. It stays on between 2 minutes and 2 hours, and then — BOOP! — restarts with no warning at all. I have to rebuild it.
DO NOT USE MONOLINGUAL on an Intel Mac yet. At least, that’s my experience.
Note: Yes, I made sure I kept the right languages behind.
Er, that’s not what I submitted: I thought you didn’t change submissions? I don’t object to changes, but I’d rather my name wasn’t on if that’s the case, particularly as your statement Of course an unfair comparison (hacked OSX vs. normal XP), but interesting nonetheless is incorrect in the context of the Cinebench benchmark: the Windows/Inspiron combination beat the Macbook Pro and Powerbook G4 as well.
It’s also worth nothing that the reviewer wanted to give it 7.5 out of 10 (it got rounded up to VIII), due to problems with screen flicker and the fact that the magsafe connector wasn’t suited to people who put notebooks on their laps (any lateral movement will cause it to pop out apparently).
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Of course we change what get’s submitted. I don’t see anywhere we say we do not. If you’d see how 99.9% of the news got submitted, you’d be glad. The line says: “submitted by”, and not: “written by”.
We’re not digg.com.
But if you want your name removed, fine by me. Consider it done.
Thanks for that. With regard to changing submissions, I based my opinion on some emails I exchanged with you from the 3rd to the 5th of July 2005 in which you expressed a reluctance to change submissions.
I wouldn’t have minded the title change or small things like that, but I felt the additions you made to the body didn’t accurately reflect the opinions expressed in the linked article.
I wouldn’t have minded the title change or small things like that, but I felt the additions you made to the body didn’t accurately reflect the opinions expressed in the linked article.
See my above comment, but to you in a nicer tone
. The Ars review specifically mentions the unfairness of the cracked-OSX vs. Windows benchmark– hence I put that into the teaser too. If I didn’t, I’d have the Mac Zealot Brigade in red alert 
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“If I didn’t, I’d have the Mac Zealot Brigade in red alert
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HEY! I resemble that remark!
Hey this is OT conversation is FASCINATING, but how about taking it back to email. It’s brilliance is distracting.
Looks like Apple needs to seriously tune OpenGL. To be beaten by Windows in ANY BENCHMARK is embaressing and unacceptable
How so? Windows is the gaming platform and, indeed, the desktop OS of choice (ie. vast majority of users out there use Windows). It SHOULD be the better performer in many ways.
1) Windows has done better with gaming tarditionally because of higher attention from Game developers and earlier access to the latest video cards. The Mac-Intels will erode or eliminate the latter advantage, finally.
2) platform of “choice”? You must be joking. The MAJORITY of Windows users have NO choice. The are forced to eat what their company IT guy dishes forth. “Choice” would be an excellent step forward.
1) Exactly! That is what I am intimating. They have a gigantic head start in this regard.
2) Did you read my entire sentence? Again, I understand that Windows is forced on users, but because of that it is ubiquitous and because it is ubiquitous, more attention is paid to writing games for it, optimizing drivers for it, etc.
I don’t think we are in disagreement, perhaps I could have worded my post better.
Believe it or not, Mr. FSF, most people do not care, and if given the choice, would probably opt to stay with Windows because it works for them and they’re comfortable with it.
Get a life.
If people truely had a choice, in terms of application support, they’d jump off the Windows ship. The vast majority of people I know are not completely happy with their Windows install. I know my parents aren’t (whenever I go home, there is something to fix), and most of my classmates aren’t (I heard the “my computer is acting up — haven’t reformatted in awhile” complaint just today).
Put simply, Windows isn’t robust. It can run pretty well, in the right hands, but it takes substantial effort and maintainence. Hell, back in the day, I ran a stable Windows 95 machine. But I reinstalled so often I had my CD key memorized. After using Linux for years, and now a Mac, I know I wouldn’t want to go back to baby-sitting a Windows machine. Most people, even fairly computer-saavy ones, are not capable of maintaining a Windows machine.* That’s why all the Windows machines you see around are bogged down with spyware, systray applets, and all sorts of other crap. You say “[Windows] works for them”, but that’s not true. Most Windows installs don’t work — at least not well. But people deal with it because they have no alternative.
*) I know I’m not. I sometimes have Windows on my laptop for testing code in that environment, and the installs always die the weirdest deaths. One time, it was owned by the blaster worm (which resulted in the IT department here cutting my network access over a weekend to keep my machine from infecting others…). Another time, it just got to the point where I couldn’t surf the web anymore. My friend’s computer had this weird problem where IE just started to crash every time he closed a browser Window. Removing the Google and AOL toolbars fixed the problem, but the funny thing was that he’d had those installed for months without any problem. That’s the #1 problem with Windows — it’s a fragile system, held together with spitballs and thumbtacks, and something is always breaking if you’re not very careful.
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I hope windows copy all the best of MacOSX a then you dont have to use another OS cause you gonna get a complete system..
Security…
Games…
You name it…
Hmmm…editing is okay but it would seem you changed the meaning of the message versus things like grammar and ease of reading. Shame on you OSN. You must be a rabid mac fan boy as I like mac too but to change something so it is incorrectly favorable is a big no no. This definately reduces the credabilty of this site at least for me.
What are you talking about? Are you delusional?? Why don’t you just read the damn review, and then see for yourself how I made the teaser correctly reflect the contents? The Ars review SPECIFICALLY mentions the benchmark between Windows and the cracked OSX is NOT fair, because, well, OSX is *cracked*.
Thom you’re missing the point here: they said it was unfair to compare the Dell/OS X to Macbook/OS X as the Dell was running a cracked version, and was therefore at a disadvantage.
However, it is fair to compare Dell/Windows to Macbook/OS X as both operating systems are (one expects) optimised for their respective platforms; and in the case of the Cinebench score, the Dell/Windows machine not only surpassed the performance of the Dell/OS X configuration, but also surpassed the performance of the Macbook/OS X and Powerbook-G4/OS X platforms. What’s more, despite running a hacked version of Mac OS X, the Dell machine does better than the Macbook in a couple of the XBench tests (though it’s worse overall)
That said, some of the outcry here is a little over the top. I just felt the additions were a step too far away from what I’d submitted, and you were kind enough to remove my name as requested. Personally I wouldn’t object to removing this whole comment thread, as its a counter-productive at the moment.
For the record, and because people are getting carried away, what I submitted was something like this:
Ars Technica has published review of a Macbook Pro in which they feature benchmarks contrasting the performance of the Macbook Pro, a G4 PowerBook, and an Inspiron 9100 with a hacked version of OS X. Interestingly, one of the benchmarks, Cinebench, also features the same Inspiron running Windows, in which the Inspiron/Windows combination does better overall.
It also featured a very long title which mentioned the comparison with the Dell/OS X platform: in retrospect, the title was far too long to fit the site design.
54 Apple articles is the last 2 months. Lets not get carried away like you have before Thom. Ubuntu comes to mind.
54 Apple articles is the last 2 months. Lets not get carried away like you have before Thom. Ubuntu comes to mind.
We never got carried away. We got carried away between your ears. That’s a difference.
They should also do a comparo of the top of the line Macbook Pro and a top of the line laptop from anywhere both running copies of OS X and we should see the performance results. I would be most interested in that oh yes! Because that would mean an Intel vs AMD showdown.