AMD tried to re-claim the performance leadership with the release of the 2600+ and 2400+ versions of its AthlonXP CPU. While AMD officials claimed that the new chips outperform other PC processors, ExtremeTech testing doesn’t give the AthlonXP a definitive edge. AMD also reworked its “model number” performance ratings to better represent performance, executives said. In other hardware news, Sun released a new, budget-minded Unix workstation on Tuesday, mamed Sun Blade 150. But as its influence grows in the Unix market, the market itself is dwindling, C|Net says.
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The Sun Blade 150 looks pretty cool. Its cheaper than some iMacs. I am curious about the performance, though. I have heard that newer Sun CPUs are not keeping pace with the rest of the world–but to some extent this is a lot like the PowerPC VS x86 debate, where one must decide that at a certain point it does not matter how fast the chip is and that the user experience should be considered first. I’ll admit that I’m not impressed by Sun’s behavoir with Linux or their take on the Intel hardware situation, in which they seem to say one thing one minute and another the next, but if you want a real clean well-done computer–sort of like a luxury computer–they seem like a good choice to me. I had intended my hobby OS to be for the new PowerPC from IBM, but since most of my work right now is portable this looks pretty attractive. 64-bit computing doesn’t come any cheaper. What do the rest of you hobby OS programmers think? Is it a bad choice to develop for a Sun machine? I would like a minimum of five or ten people to try my OS, at least, but beyond that point it is just a project for fun–and I do want to restrict it to one hardware platform.
Honestly, no matter what arch you decide on there will be people to play with your OS. So just pick the one you like best
>Its cheaper than some iMacs.
Too bad that the Blade comes with no monitor, Firewire, DVD or CD-RW, modem (that iMacs come with) or even Solaris 9 instead of 8. And it’s more expensive models are not much better either.
And that PGX64 “graphics accelerator”, is just an ATi Rage PRO I heard. How groovy that is? NOT.
This is a piece of junk. And it is slow. For ~$1500 USD.
The only good thing it has, is that you can show it off to your friends and tell them that you have 64-bit computer.
Hey! Give me some credit, I took Apple’s side for once.
I regularly use Suns. They aren’t that much fun. Linux boxes come with tons of really cool stuff on a modern distribution you can spend as long as you want learning about various tools, modules addins. On a Sun you can get a subset of those tools but most of the time you end with Sun’s versions.
The only reason I can think of to use the compared to a Linux box, SunBlade is to run a piece of Solaris software that you need.
MacOSX and Darwin offers another really interesting merger. There is going to be tons of work to get Unix tools to really work well with Aqua stuff. OSX boxes are lots of fun.
Now don’t get me wrong, in terms of performance, scalability, reliability Suns are terrific. They just aren’t nearly as much fun for a hobby computer. But you aren’t going to build anything that’s going to get Solaris users to switch. You buy a Sun to run Solaris. You run Solaris on a small Sun because it runs on big Suns. You run Solaris on big Suns because you need: big, fast or reliable. That’s about the only reason.
I’ve always thought Linux for Sparc was silly for the same reason.
This is a piece of junk. And it is slow. For ~$1500 USD.
Gotta agree there. Sun makes some great servers and workstations – if you want to spend money. But at the low end of the spectrum, the value proposition for Sparc isn’t there, never has been, and probably never will be. A long time ago I had a couple of low end Suns, and truthfully, for the same money you could get a much better PC or Mac. Not to mention, if you plan on using it in the same way you would a typical home computer, you’ll find it’s usefulness severly limited.
If you want to run engineering applications, or an Oracle database, Sun is great. But you wouldn’t be buying a machine in this class to be doing that, anyway.
Having a Sun as a home machine is kind of like keeping a Doberman in an apartment.
Recently, I just finish building my new pc. It contains an Athlon XP 2000+, 512 MB PC2100, an Asus A7V333 motherboard. To top it off, I threw them into a new Lian Li PC-60 case. My new system rocks when compared to my old pc: a PIII 500 MHZ w/256 MB of RAM (it will become my file server.) Granted, it is not as exotic as a Sun Blade, but it will serve my purpose for several years. My old pc lasted me 4 years with a little bit of upgrading every now and then. If I want to play around with 64-bit computing, I can wait until AMD release their “Hammer” series. If I want to play with Unix, I can look towards FreeBSD or linux. Sun’s hardware maybe be good, but it is way overprice in my opinion.
It isn’t hard to go on Apple side compared to Sun low-end workstations. You can even get a PowerMac G4 800Mhz cheaper than that Sun Blade 150.
However, who’s insane enough to get an over priced PowerMac when you can get a nice eMachine PC! Yurk… Let’s not get in that discussion again…
Well I don’t really care for the frills. I would actually kind of like it to have an ATI Rage Pro, so I could code for it. Some undocumented Sun graphics chip would kind of piss me off. However the Solaris users will not switch argument sounds really believable. I also have now been told by several people that it is quite slow, outside of OSNews. So forget that. =(
if youre gonna implement an OS (as i intend to, also) then pick a nice arch (say, ppc/sparc/mips/etc…) and go and buy (or scrounge) an old box.
i got an SGI indy with monitor, mouse, keyboard (theyre all SGI specials) for £50. i bought a sun sparcstation 10 for £150, with monitor and external scsi cdrom… wow 😉
both of these run linux and X window system, so if i get stuck i can look at their code, as well as having a unified development system.
you really really don’t need a new system to do a hobby OS, do you?
the crappy little sun box is still a workable 64 bit dev machine
there isn’t anything else out there for approx $2k
yeah, it is a ripoff for hardware value, just like everything else is from sun
and of course, once amd hammer comes out, all of sun’s value proposition vanishes in a puff of smoke
hasta la vista, el sol
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in his review of the ati radeon 9700 pro,
kyle bennett tests a 2.5 ghz version of the thoroughbred with the revised core … the new athlon is a screamer
and now kyle has a review of the new athlon revision on its own —
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MzQx
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And new processor releases means lower prices for existing ones. God, I love this :-p.
However, why does an extra 133mhz gave it an extra 200+? I mean 2400+ and 2200+ is different by 200mhz…..
This is a piece of junk. And it is slow.
This certainly doesn’t have a price/performance advantage over the Blade 100, and in terms of Sparcs it is a piece of junk (IDE being the main concern)
However, the clock cycle performance gap between Sparc and x86 is enormous. We use an atmospheric modelling program which we’ve built on both our Blade 1000 (dual 900MHz Ultrasparc III) system using shared memory MPI and a Linux cluster (4 * dual 1GHz PIII nodes) The Blade 1000 beat a cluster with 8 1GHz PIIIs hands down.
Unfortunately it did get whipped by a cluster of 8 * 1.73GHz Athlons, which was 1/3 the cost of the Blade 1000. The difference is the Blade 1000 is a single unit, relatively quite, and doesn’t generate a lot of heat. (not to mention the FCAL hard drives
In contrast, an x86 cluster is noisy and makes a great deal of heat. x86 may be cheaper but it’s certainly got its share of disadvantages.
Comparing the IIi to x86, our dual Ultrasparc IIi 333MHz Ultra 10s running Solaris can outperform a dual 800MHz PIII running Linux, both systems using shared memory MPI. (The model is written in Fortran 90, built by Forte on Solaris and the Portland Group compiler in Linux)
Eugenia: Hey! Give me some credit, I took Apple’s side for once.
CattBeMac is in Intensive Care Unit because of you. It’s all yooouuurrr fault. 🙂 Why do you think he isn’t here… yet?
matt: you really really don’t need a new system to do a hobby OS, do you?
Maybe… maybe not. Depends, I guess. :-p. Besides, 50 pounds? Wow. Are you sure? Not 500 pounds? Is it in pound sterling?
socrates: and of course, once amd hammer comes out, all of sun’s value proposition vanishes in a puff of smoke
Maybe on their low end workstations, but not their higher end stuff. AMD would need something like POWER4 or I2….
But if Hammer’s price is what they say it is, I could buy a nice Clawhammer, with Radeon 9700, and a few nice garnishings compared to that Sun machine….
sun’s value prop is going to take a major hit when there is affordable 64 bit computing available on platforms from 1 to 8 processors
sure there will be spiffy high end stuff for the big iron sun boxes. however as cluster computing comes on strong, even this market segment will feel the hammer
sun will shortly be caught in between a rock (hammer) and a hard place (itanium)
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However, why does an extra 133mhz gave it an extra 200+? I mean 2400+ and 2200+ is different by 200mhz…..
AMD’s rating system is built for comparison with P4’s, which have a slightly lower IPC count. A 133 MHz speed boost for an Athlon XP is roughly equal to a 200 MHz speed boost on a P4. Or at least that is what the marketing department says. 😉
The AMD PR rating is based on (so they say) the 1.4GHz Athlon. I also like AMD’s rating system.
However, the clock cycle performance gap between Sparc and x86 is enormous. We use an atmospheric modelling program which we’ve built on both our Blade 1000 (dual 900MHz Ultrasparc III) system using shared memory MPI and a Linux cluster (4 * dual 1GHz PIII nodes) The Blade 1000 beat a cluster with 8 1GHz PIIIs hands down.
This is not a smart a** question…
Did you measure the increased latency in the algorithm from going over a network to the remote nodes, rather than using the shared memory configuration. I had an algorithm which showed very good performance on a multi-processor box using MPI that ended up being a lot of waiting for collective processes when I moved it over to a cluster of workstations. In my case, I believe it was a bad network configuration, but it might be interesting to see how a dual Athlon XP box at 1 GHz would compare to the dual SPARC. I’m guessing you are doing 64-bit FP math, so you’re going to get a leg up with the SPARC.
PS. Did you look at that KLAT-linked site for doing 64-bit math with the MMX, 3DNow and AltiVec units?
PPS. I would have e-mailed this response, but their was no e-mail link to the name, sorry Eugenia.
Buy aplha.
It runs Linux. You have gcc for it.
The Sun Blade 100 has been a temptation. The 150 is not at all. Yes, their hardware prices are ridiculous. I do see they lowered their 17″ monitor price from $385 to $325 – gee thanks <g>. Eugenia noted Solaris – I also see where the basic Solaris 8 documentation kit costs more than the 9 kit! Forget it!!
When developing code that will eventually end up on a prodcution SUN E450 (or whatever)…. its important to have an UlraSparc/Solaris development environment. And for said development…. we don’t always need a $10,000 or $20,000 workstation and/or server. Sometimes a U5 or Blade100 can do you fine.
Also… I personally like working on my own workstation inlieu of using an Xterm into big honken development box shared by the team.
Too bad that the Blade comes with no monitor, Firewire, DVD or CD-RW
Did you look at the specs? I’m not going to argue that it’s not a great machine, but what you are saying is just wrong. ONE page into where you linked to:
http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=85825
…says that all models have at least a CD-ROM and 2 firewire ports.
No, it’s not a great machine, but it isn’t bottom-of-the-barrel, either. And it’s one of the cheapest 64bit machines you can buy. Do you ever have any moderate opinions or are you always 100% hot or cold on things?
even Solaris 9 instead of 8
“Solaris 9 is still being certified for many of the technical and graphics applications that Sun customers use on their workstations, which is why the new operating system is not shipped by default on the Sun Blade 150s. Solaris 9 is available as a free upgrade, however, for customers whose applications are ready to roll on Solaris 9.”
Copy-pasted from http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/53/26744.html
So I don’t see why you think it’s so important that it comes with Solaris 8 rather than 9, since Solaris 9 is free anyway.
I am sorry if I rankle some toes with this comment, but a news posting is supposed to be unbiased and without snide remarks. Which is not what I see in the quotationed piece, “model number”, in relation to what that sentence states.
It really bothers me to see a large number of “Reporters”, “News Posters” and other “Journalists” write in such a fashion and call it “News”. In reality, they are simply opinions being put out as News.
To me, it smacks of sensationalism that is becoming far to prevalent in today’s news broadcasts, prints and other media. As a society, are we headed down the path of no longer having objective views shown to us?
I just don’t like seeing sites that state that they are news become opinion/editorial sites.
I wouldn’t have written this, if the news heading was written as follows:
AMD has attempted to re-claim the performance leadership with the release of the 2600+ and 2400+ versions of its AthlonXP CPU. AMD officials are claiming that the new chips outperform previous designs.
ExtremeTech testing doesn’t give the latest AthlonXP processors a definitive edge. However, testing performed at Amdmb.com show that the new AthlonXP design is a contender.
AMD has stated that they have also reworked its model number performance ratings to better represent performance.
In other hardware news, Sun released a new, budget-minded Unix workstation on Tuesday, mamed Sun Blade 150. But as its influence grows in the Unix market, the market itself is dwindling, C|Net says.
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What I have written takes the very aparent anti-AMD edge off of the comment. The portion regarding the new Sun workstation was left alone as it doesn’t include any negative or opinion related pieces.
If I am banned, then so be it.
I didn’t think the article was that “anti-AMD” biast. If Eugenia wants to post her opinion fine, she has the right to. If I disagree, I will reply here stating my reason for doing so.
“Is this a News or Editorial site”
It’s a both, what laws does that break?
Every news source has an agenda and an opinion. Eugenia, for the most part, tells it how it with most subjects I have seen but does favor BeOS some <g>
The ExtremeTech benchmarks don’t show the XP 2600 doing much better than the XP 2200. Am I wrong to point that out?
Robert, I don’t see why you think you would be banned for your comment – that is a completely unjustified assumption based on nothing. I happen not to agree with you. Putting “model numbers” in quotation marks can be taken in several ways, for one thing. I have found that, at both BeOS News and OS News, Eugenia definitely does not hide behind subtle innuendos – she lets you know how she feels right up front.
Opinions and comments are and should only be meant for the opinion and comment section. Eugenia or anyone else can and should feel free to write whatever they wish in the opinion and comment section, not in the news posting section.
Doing otherwise takes the credibility of the news organization/reporter and tosses it into the trash bin.
Personally, I love Linux and really dislike Microsoft products. However, if I were to be posting or writing a news piece regarding Linux and or Microsoft. If my intent was news and not opinion, I would have to leave my feelings and opinion on the matter at the door.
Being a journalist requires a considerable amount of objectivity.
I guess you missed it.
Everybody who ask this type of question get jettisoned from OsNews forum. There were some sharp tongue guys here before – silence is their friend.
Now Eugenia does some little moderation of this site – I missed the news about OsNews becoming moderated forum.
Watch this post disappear.
I used to complain too about cut-n-paste stories from other news sites – now I think of it as a advantage. OsNews is kind of focus point – if I have 10 minutes to check the web, OsNews gives me all I need including latest prices (PriceGrabber)
Back to topic :
I think it’s a good news about Sun Blade 150. It means that Sun still wants to compete in low end workstations.
It would be better if they did something like NatureTech .
“Personally, I love Linux and really dislike Microsoft products.” -Robert
Opinion protocol RFC 420
AMD, Linux, OSS, Apple -good
Intel, Microsoft, RIAA -bad
I’m gunna put my tin foil hat back on and get out of dodge before this gets messy now.
I wondered why no one mentioned Tom’s piece on the overclockability of the new Thoroughbred B (XP2400+ and XP2600+)
It just goes to show you how much speed AMD can put out with the latest incarnation of the Thoroughbred, let alone Barton.
IF you have actually BOTHERED to read the articles themselves from EXtremetech’s front page and the news.com article, you will see that these “opinions” are just COPY/PASTE from THEIR articles, not my text.
The fact that I do agree with these statements is indeed another story. But that text there, IS from their OWN web pages that I link.
>Being a journalist requires a considerable amount of objectivity.
What journalist? I can’t see anyone around here…
You have missed many episodes my dear.
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=363
Thank you everyone who replied to Robert.
Inspite of all technological superachievements, x86-compatible architectures is too far from being considerable as well-designed, modern, reliable etc. All those super cacheing, pipelining, internal multithreading, core-code-hopping are hacks in order to allow long living for 4-bit toaster controller.
(But this legacy twins’ pair – x86+M$ seems immmortable.)
Did you measure the increased latency in the algorithm from going over a network to the remote nodes, rather than using the shared memory configuration.
No, but the model is not bandwidth intensive, and is furthermore completely CPU bound. The numbers from the same networking hardware used with Athlon MP 2100+’s instead of PIIIs are substantially better. (timestep of 3 as opposed to 11)
I had an algorithm which showed very good performance on a multi-processor box using MPI that ended up being a lot of waiting for collective processes when I moved it over to a cluster of workstations.
This is a widely used atmospheric modelling program (see http://rams.atmos.colostate.edu/rams-description.html, http://www.atmet.com/html/rams_operational.shtml) and a great deal of work has been done in regards to optimizing it for use with Linux-based MPI clusters. The model has also been heavily developed for use with shared memory MPI in Solaris.
In my case, I believe it was a bad network configuration, but it might be interesting to see how a dual Athlon XP box at 1 GHz would compare to the dual SPARC.
The timestep on a dual 900MHz Blade 1000 is 10. On a dual 1.73GHz Athlon MP system, it’s 13. Combining 4 dual 1.73GHz Athlon MP nodes, the timestep is reduced to 5.
I’m guessing you are doing 64-bit FP math, so you’re going to get a leg up with the SPARC.
I think the extra cache on the Sparc is helping a great deal as well.
rajan r wrote;
>>CattBeMac is in Intensive Care Unit because of you. It’s all yooouuurrr fault. 🙂 Why do you think he isn’t here… yet?<<
Waht did you guys miss me (which I doubt:-)… I was helping a friend paint his living room today, and then we went to see that movie ‘Sum of all Fears’… it was pretty good I guess. Let’s just hope that kind of chaos never becomes reality!
Anyways speaking of AMD… my girlfriend has a computer she wants to sell (she’s buying the new eMac). Basically what happen why she was over here visiting me in Europe over the summer, her computer back in the US got struck by lightening and it of course fried the mobo. So her mom took it into the computer shop to get looked at (not knowing at the time exactly what happened to it) and being that my girlfriend didn’t keep tabs on the situation, the guy at the computer shop (which also goes to her church and is sort of a friend) fixes her computer without asking I guess, and she is now furious and stuck with the bill. She has put almost $500 into it getting it fixed in the last 5 months (her HD crashed back in March) and now this fiasco. From what I know it now has an AMD Athlon XP 1800+ with 128 MB of RAM, a 40 GB hard drive and Windows 98 (I think SE version) installed. I think the asking price is $500 with monitor, keyboard and mouse included! If anybody is interested, let me know!
cheers 🙂
To me, it smacks of sensationalism that is becoming far to prevalent in today’s news broadcasts, prints and other media. As a society, are we headed down the path of no longer having objective views shown to us?
Have you ever read a British newspaper?
There are two types, left wing and right wing. There’s also the independant but thats another matter.
These are newspapers and you buy according to your own tastes, i.e. My Mother likes the Mail on Sunday but I’m not such a fan.
The point is these newspapers never even pretend to be 100% objective, they are written by human beings and they have opinions. I’d much rather read something honest than something with forced false objectivity.
Do you read Slashdot? is it objective? Does it even pretend to be objective?
For example:
Eugenia tends not to be a great fan of Macs but there is good reason behind this, it’s not simple zealotry and she’s up front and honest about it. There are both positive and negative Mac stories here, and the same goes for all other OSs – it is a great deal more objective than the likes of Slashdot who cater for a particular audience.
I’ve no idea why you’re complaining about his item however as it shows no particular bias.
A good comment borrowed from JC’s:
http://www.jc-news.com/index.cgi
Says it all really:
In Lightwave, the Raytrace test strongly favours the Pentium 4 by a margin of about 20%, whereas in the Sunset test, the Athlon XP is favoured by pretty much the same margin. Most websites had been reporting the Pentium 4 as being better in Lightwave, but it is my suspicion that most of the lightwave benches are specifically using subtests such as the above Raytrace test. I give kudos to the xbit people for trying to broaden their tests. This should serve as a reminder to the webmasters out there: Don’t limit your benchmark choice. If you only use Unreal 2003 or Serious Sam 2 for game benching, you’ll come to the not quite accurate conclusion that the Athlon XP is superior in gaming. But if you only use Quake or Wolfenstein for game benching, you’ll reach the equally inaccurate conclusion that the Pentium 4 blows the Athlon XP away. Likewise, encoding WMA files is much faster on the P4, and encoding mp3 files is (at least, with LAME) much faster on the Athlon XP, but if you only use one of these tests you might come to the conclusion that one of these processors is faster than the other in general audio encoding. I know that you guys don’t have much time to benchmark all this before it goes to press, but if you have a choice between selecting one benchmark from each of a lot of categories or selecting a bunch of benchmarks from each of only a few categories, then you really should go with quality over quantity. Choose the greater ratio of benchmarks per category, and your review will be much more accurate and worthy of respect.
Inspite of all technological superachievements, x86-compatible architectures is too far from being considerable as well-designed, modern, reliable etc. All those super cacheing, pipelining, internal multithreading, core-code-hopping are hacks in order to allow long living for 4-bit toaster controller.
(But this legacy twins’ pair – x86+M$ seems immmortable.)
I have heard of people buying computers because they look nice, have better performance, or have longer battery life, but leave it to a Machead to buy a computer because the architecture is “modern.” That has to be the most ridiculous thing that I have ever heard. Well, maybe not the *most* ridiculous thing, but it is certainly near the top of the list.
Will all those naysayers who think that x86 is about to die out please do me a big favor by pulling your heads up out of the sand?
CattBeMac, I’d love to buy that PC, but unfortunately I just don’t have the money right now. Good luck selling it, though! 🙂
>>CattBeMac, I’d love to buy that PC, but unfortunately I just don’t have the money right now. Good luck selling it, though! :-)<<
okie dokie 🙂
I’m sure it will sell..(hopefully)
CattBeMac: Anyways speaking of AMD… my girlfriend has a computer she wants to sell (she’s buying the new eMac).
So, you brainwashed your girlfriend…… Nice. :-p. Why not you slap another 128MB of RAM and Windows XP, and see if she likes it. Such a good computer going at $500.
I’m currently saving money to buy an NIC card at $50 (I’M NOT BUYING A CHEAP ONE!), I would tell you when I get enough money… hehe.
Try ebay. They usually sell, most likely less than $500, but she does want to get rid of it….
It isn’t hard to go on Apple side compared to Sun low-end workstations. You can even get a PowerMac G4 800Mhz cheaper than that Sun Blade 150.
Believe it or not, the 150, while no great shakes, is still reasonably competitive with Apple as a Unix-based technical workstation.
For $1,700
Apple: 2 x 867Mhz, 256Mb RAM, 60 Gb HD, DVD/CD-RW
For $2,000
Sun: 1 x 650Mhz, 256Mb RAM, 40 Gb HD, CD-ROM
C’t’s tests on the earlier 867Mhz macintosh systems say
SpecINT2000: 259
SpecFP2000 : 153
The Register says the 650Mhz Sun150 scores:
SpecINT2000: 246
SpecFP2000 : 276
Doesn’t Apple say something about a “mhz myth”? :0)
So the Sun is probably not that much slower on uniprocessor integer workloads than the older 867Mhz mac, and would be much faster on uniprocessor floating point jobs.
It would be interesting to see a new round of SPEC scores done with the new GCC compiler on Jaguar with the newer 867Mhz Mac hardware. The compiler alone should help quite a bit.
What about dual processor workloads? Advantage Mac, I suppose, although the second processor could just wind up starved for memory bandwidth. And heck, an alarming number of programs just can’t make all that much use of more than one processor anyway…
Of course, any similarly priced P-IV or Athlon system would slaughter both of them in raw performance unless
1) The program could be optimized up the wazoo for Altivec (and couldn’t use SSE).2) The program either was entirely based on 64-bit math (that couldn’t be converted to SSE) and/or used a very very large working set.
Sun really doesn’t compete in the general consumer market, outside of a few computer geeks. While Sun has firewire ports, isn’t the only thing that actually uses them a really lame video collaboration kit produced by Sun itself? And as far as I know, there isn’t even a legal-in-the-US DVD player for Suns.
I really don’t see either Sun or Apple in serious competition with each other. Apple’s high-end workstations almost certainly beat the comparitively priced low end Sun workstations for quite a few uses, but Apple can’t even begin to touch the performance of, say, a Sun Blade 2000.
So anyway, my point is that while the new Sun 150 kind of sucks, it doesn’t suck THAT much. For Sun users and other 64-bitters, it’s certainly nice to have something in between the dreadfully slow SunBlade 100 and the fast, but monstrously expensive SunBlade 2000. But it is not like any PC/Mac people are going to rush out and buy one.
Although you should because Suns are naturally better! You will be an 3133+ hAx0r if you use a Sun! Only wusses use 32bit systems!
Sorry, my bias slipped out there for a second.
Yours truly,
Jeffrey Boulier
>>Although you should because Suns are naturally better! You will be an 3133+ hAx0r if you use a Sun! Only wusses use 32bit systems!<<
Hey I agree with ya… I have been programming around Sun hardware/software for years and have thoroughly enjoyed it! They have great hardware and I have seen what they can against higher clocked machines when it comes to data intensive computation!
If I didn’t own Macs, I would certainly ($omehow) get a Sun on my desktop at home 🙂
>>So, you brainwashed your girlfriend…… Nice. :-p. Why not you slap another 128MB of RAM and Windows XP, and see if she likes it. Such a good computer going at $500.<<
Actually no, she is a school teacher and already has 2 older generation Power Macs in her class room. When she cam e over to visit me this summer, she used my Mac while I would be at work and just fell in love with it. She had been complaining about her her PC and its usual grievances (Windows being that main culprit) and she said it was time for a change and that being she uses Macs at work, she might as well use them at home.
No brainwashing was necessary, I did to clear her mind of brainwashing on assuming that you had to have a Windows machine in order to survive in this world… which is bull$h!t!!!