Submitted by Geert Hendrickx has announced the third release candidate of NetBSD 3.1. Binaries and .iso’s can be found on the ftp site, or on one of the mirrors. “We anticipate this to be the final release candidate for the NetBSD 3.1 release, so, if no serious problems arise, we expect NetBSD 3.1 to be released on October 2.”
nice to see releases are still being made despite recent infighting, lets just hope the usually standard wasnt affected
The usual standard hasn’t been good for like 5 years on most platforms, that’s what has really been getting Hannum’s goat to begin with – the fact that Wasabi’s NetBSD Foundation isn’t doing anything to make sure that releases are good.
The change in release cycle and nominclature was nothing more than smoke and mirrors, an attempt to keep people looking forward at the show rather than at the elephant walking off the stage.
I could make a release of my own software every day if I wanted, that wouldn’t mean there is any progress in it, it wouldn’t even make it worth looking at.
The usual standard hasn’t been good for like 5 years on most platforms, that’s what has really been getting Hannum’s goat to begin with – the fact that Wasabi’s NetBSD Foundation isn’t doing anything to make sure that releases are good.
Right. Let’s get the facts straight. If you actually *read* the bylaws, which are publically available from,
http://www.netbsd.org/Foundation/bylaws.html#ArticleVII
you should have known that this is utter nonsense – the slate of the Foundation board is voted on by the members, which are the 300+ NetBSD developers. There is no such thing as a “Wasabi NetBSD board”, there’s only a “NetBSD Foundation Board” which was approved by the members of the foundation.
More information about the election procedure can be found at:
http://www.netbsd.org/Foundation/board-election-procedure.html
I think I have to look forward to the 4.0 release. I have never used NetBSD but the 4.0 release looks promising. For Hannum’s objections I would like to ask why NetBSD was announced truly POSIX compliant? Any ideas?
For bad ACPI/X11 support I think it depends on the developers’ time. But I suspect that heroes like Hannum have made all the magic in netBSD happen. He seems to try to keep NetBSD unified when others tried to tear it apart. I hope he goes to DFly or OpenBSD. A fork is not necessary, OpenBSD /DFly need hands. A fork is necessary for new designs and Hannum does not propose one. The above 2 BSDs would welcome him.
Edited 2006-09-19 21:04
I have serious doubts that OpenBSD would welcome the man with open arms, he is one of the people that had de Raadt kicked out of NetBSD to begin with – perhaps time has eased the resentment between the two over the conflict, but all things considered, I doubt Hannum would approach de Raadt at this point.
Let’s look at it then, Foundation President Alistair Crooks was director of Engineering at Wasabi Systems, Perry Metzger the release engineer was CEO of Wasabi, Christos Zoulas is a member of the technical staff at Wasabi… That’s three out of five members of the current board that are directly tied to Wasabi.
You can call that somehow not Wasabi’s NetBSD Foundation if you want, but it looks a lot different when the people in charge working with the company.
Let’s look at it then, Foundation President Alistair Crooks was director of Engineering at Wasabi Systems, Perry Metzger the release engineer was CEO of Wasabi, Christos Zoulas is a member of the technical staff at Wasabi… That’s three out of five members of the current board that are directly tied to Wasabi.
Put emphasis on *was* (also for Christos). Of course, many prominent developers worked for Wasabi, in the beginning it was ‘the NetBSD company’. Who wouldn’t want to work full-time on the thing they love. None of these people work for Wasabi anymore (as far as I am aware).
And again. If they still worked for Wasabi, it doesn’t matter: the slate is voted on by the NetBSD community. So, there is no way Wasabi could have put a board in place.
Any member can be nominated for the board. Members of the nomcom, who propose a slate, are randomly chosen from volunteer developers. So, it is simply misinformation that you and some others are spreading. The board is the board of the developers. Of course, you can disagree with the choice of the 300+ developers…
“The change in release cycle and nominclature was nothing more than smoke and mirrors, an attempt to keep people looking forward at the show rather than at the elephant walking off the stage.”
OMG!
Please digest the NetBSD change logs before talking nonsense and spreading wrong information!
ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD-daily/netbsd-3-1-RC3/200609170000Z…
(And BTW, it’s << “Nomenclature” <<
)
Are you dense or something? Ignoring the point I’m making, or are you unable to grasp it?
They decided that they were going to shift from 1.6 to 2 to 3 to 4, they’ve increased the big numbers for no rhyme or reason, just to make it look like more happens between releases. I’ve not said nothing happens between releases, but the amount that happens is now less between those numbers on the left side of the decimal place, this is because they release with those bigger numbers more often. There was no significant reason for the change, it is a cosmetic change to their release cycle.
“There was no significant reason for the change, it is a cosmetic change to their release cycle.”
What!!!
*BS*
Go read the NetBSD CVS repositories changelogs and commits, and you’ll know why the release numbers.
http://cvsweb.netbsd.org/bsdweb.cgi/htdocs/Ports/
Now I know why you’re here.
You’re obvlously here to preach your “>Insert Your Favorite OS Here<“, and detract users from using NetBSD.
Please stop spreading garbage about NetBSD and get your facts straight!
Thanks, and Sayonara!
Actually, that recent fighting on the mailing lists was started by a single person, and the result is that it brought the NetBSD team closer together.
So it was actually a positive effect
Can’t wait for the release, so I can upgrade a couple of production servers (I386/Sparc 64)
Edited 2006-09-19 01:16
Closer together? What are you on man? There was no result, the NetBSD Foundation made damned sure noone said a thing, hoping the fact that a founder of the project’s opinion would just be ignored if they didn’t respond.
With people like you around, it appears their tactic of doing nothing worked like a charm, you seem to think that everything is peachy.
Hi.
I agree with Janizary. I thought that after all the complaints mentioned by Hannum, the NetBSD(R) foundation could give an explaination of what is going on inside the project. Nothing has actually passed.
I also thought that Hannum would start a new fork of NetBSD following the steps of Theo de Raadt or Matt Dillon.
In the other side, we, the users, do not know when several things are going to be implemented inside the OS: Clean support for SMP, X11 in the user base, improved ACPI support, etc.
Maybe it’s time to move to a state-of-the-art BSD like DragonFly or to more alive BSDs like FreeBSD or OpenBSD? Only time will tell.