El Reg reviews the Dell Inspiron 6400, and concludes: “With a base price – for the T7200 Core 2 Duo – of GPB 789 inc. VAT and shipping, the Inspiron 6400 is an excellent and affordable route into the Core 2 Duo world. It has all the credentials to be a dependable multimedia companion with its great screen, comprehensive connectivity and decent processing power. But be aware it’s neither exciting to look at nor to game on.”
Review: Dell Inspiron 6400 Core 2 Duo Laptop
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2006-12-07 1:41 amAnonymous Penguin
I went to dell.it and I configured it as following:
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T7200 (2.0 GHz, 4 MB L2 cache, 667 MHz FSB
Windows® XP Media Center Edition 2005
Screen 15.4″ Wide Screen UltraSharp™ WSXGA+ (1680×1050)
2048MB 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM (2×1024)
120GB (5,400rpm) Hard Drive
DVD-Writer DVD+/- RW 8x
256MB ATI® MOBILITY™ RADEON® X1400, PCI-Express x16
Main Battery 9 cells 85 Wh
Price: Eur 1416.99
Now let’s take the cheapest Macbook Pro: Eur 2000, and it comes with a lot fewer features.
I know, it comes with OS X, which I absolutely love, but is such a difference in price justifiable?
Edited 2006-12-07 01:43
2006-12-07 2:17 amsultanqasim
This unfair. The MacBook has an X1600, this has an X1400. The MacBook has 160 GB HD, this has 120, the MacBook has a built in webcam, this does not, the MacBook has a faster version of the core 2 that this and it just goes on like that. Contrary to popular belief, macs aren’t really more expensive and sometimes, even cheaper.
2006-12-07 2:46 amstormloss
I got a decked out 6400 4 months ago before the duo2s came out. (bummer) I’m still happy with it.
I looked at the Mac lappys in my country of Australia.
For what I would get for a Dell 6400, Apple wanted 2x as much for the price!
I just didn’t have the money to line Stevo Jobs pension fund. So I took the Dell (but I really like the Mac lappys)
But the truth is Fan boy *mad* they are too dear, 2x as much in my country (blame Apple Australia and their lack of stores there too)
Unless Apple buys Dell or Dell buys Apple, they are still some yuppie prize in my book.
2006-12-07 2:54 amAnonymous Penguin
“The MacBook has an X1600, this has an X1400.”
Yes, that is true, but the 2000 Eur version comes with the 128MB X1600.
The 160 GB HD is a paid upgrade.
Built in webcam: not a great one, according to most Mac lovers, and I am one of them. Just buy a better one separately.
“the MacBook has a faster version of the core 2”
That is true too, but you can get it as a paid upgrade from Dell, and still you won’t go any near to 2000 Eur.
Look, I am very sorry that we, the Mac community, are so divided about the cost of Mac hardware. At least we are united by the love for OS X.
2006-12-07 3:53 amEarl Colby pottinger
Really? Then what does the Dell cost when you upgrade it to match the MacBook?
You compared a none-upgraded Dell at Eur 1416.99 to a Macbook Pro costing Eur 2000. Problem after you do all the upgrades to make the machine equal the difference in price pays for the quality differences to Apple’s hardware.
You are comparing unequal machines.
2006-12-07 8:34 amalcibiades
He is not really comparing unequal machines, is he? He is just telling us what it costs him to get what he wants, which he can from Supplier A, or the closest thing to what he wants, which is what he gets from Supplier B. He finds he must spend more with Supplier B because, wait for it, they do not have exactly what he wants!
Happens all the time. I buy the Philips TV with a 19 inch screen and pay $300. I would have quite liked to buy a Sony, but they only have a 21 inch in this style, and it costs 500. I don’t feel like spending 500 or having a 21 inch screen. I mention this to a friend, and he says, you’re unfair to Sony. You’re comparing two machines of unequal spec. No, I say, I’m just not buying a bigger screen than I want and spending more for it. What does this have to do with fairness or machine comparisons?
Edited 2006-12-07 08:34
2006-12-07 3:10 amaliquis
The mac is also almost just two thirds so thick…
2006-12-07 11:23 amKroc
Yes, and people seem to see no value in that. I used to have a 3″ brick of a machine before. There is more value to the industrial design of a Mac then a PC you can throw together.
“a Mac Pro is good value for money”, “No, because I could throw together a better machine for $100”, “And it would look like it was thrown together; I /want/ it to look nice.” Why do so many people not care about the asthetics of their machine. You’d think they didn’t want their computer to look as good as a nice flat screen TV, or other modern appliance.
2006-12-07 10:17 pmAdurbe
this seems to have turned into a mac vs pc pricing debate..
the point i INTENDED to make was what does its benchmarks compare to!
Including a benchmark with no comparison is useless
i used mackbook as an example as it came to mind, but please feel free to compare it to sony, toshiba whoever!
2006-12-07 8:24 amalcibiades
You are missing the point surely? What he did was configure a machine, in this case a Dell, to the spec he decided he needed. Now he looked over at the Apple product line to see what that spec, or a close approximation to it, would cost him. He found, as usual, that he could not match it exactly. But he could buy a higher specc’d machine for more money.
He concluded that, for him, it was going to be more expensive. This was correct. It was going to involve him in spending more than he needed to get what he wanted.
Its ridiculous to call someone specifying what he wants and telling us how much it costs “unfair”.
People mostly do this the other way around, starting out with the Mac spec, and then prove you pay roughly the same or a bit more to match it. But the question is not whether it costs you more or less to get something you don’t want. The question is what it costs you to get what you do want.
Edited 2006-12-07 08:26
While it doesn’t require £1,400 anymore to get a decent desktop replacement like when I got first interested in purchasing one about 7/8 years ago, this is also not exactly on the cheap side.
For this price I would expect a little more gaming oomph as it is touted as multimedia laptop (unless they distinguish between this and gaming).
With more tax increases on the way as we have learned today and my income falling in real terms over the last two years (inflation) I’ll hold off on this one.
much prettier than Mac Books and Mac Book Pros.
2006-12-07 12:45 amSmeagol
I am glad beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Although I can’t see how you would see the Dell “prettier” than a MacBook/Pro. ?? Any Dell laptop I have ever used has been a heavy brick and made with cheap plastic. Nothing asethically pleasing about the Dell at all.
2006-12-07 12:58 amcrazybob
I kinda like the way the Dell looks myself. I prefer that style to the shiny look of Macs. But I do have to at least partially agree, too many of their laptops feel cheap and you get the definite feeling you don’t want to ever drop or bump it. A friend of mine got a value line one, can’t remember what it was, but in a year it was missing two keys, the case was scratched, the touchpad was flaking out, the fan had died and been replace, and if you tried to play 3d games on it without having a desktop fan pointed at the laptop, it would overheat and shutdown in about 15mins.
But I did see one of their 17″ highend laptops and I have to say it was nice. And it had one of the best keyboards I’ve seen on a laptop (barring thinkpads, of course).
2006-12-07 3:56 amskingers6894
Marked up for funny. Nice one.
(I just got an e1405 and have been quite pleased, but will be happier when can get the Windows partiton re-sized and Ubuntu or SLED on it.)
2006-12-08 11:37 amJohann Chua
For some reason the only Dells I see in the Philippine market are laptops and notebooks. Guess IBM and HP have the high end desktop, workstation, and server market sewn up over here.
I’ve installed 64-bit Gentoo on this, the details including battery runtime, CPU, and disk performance is here: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Dell_Inspiron_E1405
Is it possble that OSnews is slowly becoming a hardware site?
2006-12-07 3:07 amhal2k1
//Is it possble that OSnews is slowly becoming a hardware site?//
What I want to know (from OSNews especially, and which is not clear from the original article) is:
(1) does it run Linux? If not fully, then what hardware does not work and what are the prospects of getting that fixed?, and
(2) can I buy it without Windows? Alternatively if not, will Dell provide a refund for unused Windows OS software?
2006-12-07 3:09 amaliquis
“Jag håller med”
Also here in Sweden the macbook pro is just 4% more expensive than a comparable speced Dell 6400/E1505… Hard choice…
2006-12-07 3:15 amSoulbender
Taking into account all the mobile device news that’s a good question.
“GPB 789 inc. VAT and shipping“
GPB ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPB ) should read GBP (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBP ) (£ or Pound Sterling).
I’m holding off until Dell releases a Core 2 Duo laptop with NVIDIA’s next generation GPU codenamed “G80”.
whats up with wide screen. Are there other people who hate wide screen or is it just me?
As a programmer i prefer to read as much code as possible and wide screen is not that useful for me.
2006-12-07 6:05 amt-eighty
You can read *more* code on a widescreen if you read more than one source file at a time. A 1680×1050 widescreen is enough room for three terminals side-by-side.
You must be one of those single-taskers. Ugh.
2006-12-07 8:15 pmCrazyDude0
So you open multiple terminals side by side when you program or you actually don’t do much coding, you just browse through other people’s code?
I prefer having tabs in my editor and switching between them instead of having 3 code windows side by side.
And yes when i am programming, i focus on one file at a time, this is why i write good code. Do you write good code or not?
2006-12-07 8:18 pmeggs
I’m a web developer and all those div blocks indented makes me horizontal scroll, so I like the widescreen.
GBP 789 = $1,553
Wow that’s a whole lot of money, especially for a base system (albeit that cpu is quite pricey).. now I can see why one would consider a Mac in Europe, OS preferences aside.
Does dell offer discounts there? Seems like it would be cheaper to buy it in U.S. then ship it over, but I’ve no idea on the shipping charges and VAT of course. Perhaps the price difference by Dell really amounts to mostly that.
The same Dell 6400 with a T7200 cpu starts at $829 (GBP 421) without discounts.. then factor in the discounts regularly offered here and the price drops significantly further.
2006-12-08 3:06 amaliquis
The Macbook Pro is 35% more expensive in Sweden than the USA.
Dell is still using their old engraved logo blue styrofoam wallpaper?
It was the default background used on the machine I bought nearly four years ago.
2006-12-07 11:27 amKroc
Yes, but the bundleware slowing it to a crawl is all NEW!
I’ve got a Core Duo 6400, the one that was shipping a couple of months back, before the Core 2 Duos were released.
It runs Ubuntu pretty well, except for the fact that the Broadcom wireless chipset (I don’t know if the newer ones use the same chipset) is as flaky as hell under Linux.
I’ve not done a package update in a few weeks, so it might be better now, but I’d not hold out much hope. I couldn’t persuade FreeBSD to talk to the wireless or the graphics chipset at a native resolution, unfortunately.
I’m tempted to try Darwin 8 on it, seeing as most of my other machines run Tiger or Darwin. Perhaps Apple’s own drivers will do better than the Ubuntu ones.
(Side-note: Any chance em and strong could be supported in the comment box in addition to i and b?)
would have liked the benchmarks to compare some of the competition though
264 performance rating… is that good?
is it as fast as a powerbook? or a OLPC?!?!