The Windows XP Service Pack 1 is now available from the Microsoft servers. This official SP is based on ‘build 1106’ and it weighs 133 MB. Some users have noticed a snappier interface along with the bug fixes, new drivers and features included. The official announcement is expected on Monday. Update: OSNews reader James, sent us a screenshot with the error message you get when trying to install SP1 on a pirated WindowsXP copy.
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The file seems to be corrupt
It worked perfectly for me. Make sure you download it with a download manager, like GetRight.
BTW, it is great to be able to completely uninstall MSN Messanger with a mouse click (there is a new control panel for such options on the head of the “Programs”). I just removed MSN.
But did you actually “unistall” it or was it just hidden, because, after all, M$ says it’s part of the OS now.
I just got into the first bug of XP1 after using it 10 minutes. You know these ‘master links’ on top of the “Programs” menu, that usually you get the Windows update, Winzip or ICQ etc etc.
Well, after re-arranging and cleaning up a bit my programs menu (not the master links), now I get Winzip with the WindowsUpdate icon, I get no WindowsUpdate icon and link, and in general, each of the entries there, are now using infrormation or icons from the other links. Messy and confusing, but not critical. I haven’t experienced this bug with either Win98, Win2k or XP before.
Oh, well… I am the bug master it seems. I am the one who always finds the most weird bugs, while it works just fine for the rest. On all OSes…
Remember the Mozilla drawing bug I was writting about 1-2 weeks ago? Well, it seems that the bug did not happen on my husband’s machine, after I asked him to install Mozilla and try it for me. Then, I logged in to his PC with my account I have there, and the bug did happen to me even on his machine.
Explain this if you can…
Even on OSX jaguar, I found bugs that I haven’t seen any other people reporting. On QNX Momentics a few weeks ago, I found a whole series of bugs, while my husband knows better than anyone else the obscure bugs I was able to find and easily reproduce on BeOS and some of its apps, that no one else could… Weird… All I do is to just use the machines… 😮
> But did you actually “unistall” it or was it just hidden
No idea. There is a menu where you can install/uninstall services (like IIS, IE etc) and MSN messanger was there.
Anybody want to take a stab at install SP1 on a warez copy of XP and tell us what it does ?
Also …
“BTW, it is great to be able to completely uninstall MSN Messanger with a mouse click (there is a new control panel for such options on the head of the “Programs”). I just removed MSN.
”
All you gotta do in XP is to the Program Files folder in XP and delete the MSN executable … problem solved
There is a problem if you do this without properly uninstalling MSN and change some Registry keys: the Hotmail access via Outlook Express becomes extremely slow, I hear. And I use Hotmail via Outlook, so…
Go to Hotmail.com in Internet Explorer 5.5 or later and log in
You’ll notice that MSN messenger icon reappeares by clock
The hotmail web page has a feature that starts MSN Messenger – I use Opera so it doesnt affect me.
After I delete messenger and then fired up outlook the icon for messenger still appeared in the system tray. Going into explorer and renaming the messenger folder fixed that right up. I have not tried to delete the folder though.
Bootup seems a little snappier on my machine but I have not seen much else.
And for those wondering about a warez install, hehehehehe!!! Already achieved success with a friends machine.
“BTW, it is great to be able to completely uninstall MSN Messanger with a mouse click (there is a new control panel for such options on the head of the “Programs”). I just removed MSN.
”
You could already do this if you edited c:windowsinfsysoc.inf and removed ‘hidden’ from all or some of the entries (you have to keep the commas seperating the field). Now, when you go to the add/remove programs control panel->add/remove windows components, MSN (among other things) will now show up, and you can remove them in the usual manner. Sorry if you already knew this.
I think all they did in the service pack was do the above for MSN.
Ack! It fubared my path.
I’ll just use forward slashes then:
c:/windows/inf/sysoc.inf
“And for those wondering about a warez install, hehehehehe!!! Already achieved success with a friends machine.”
That’s because the cd-key algorithm change only takes effect if you “slipstream” the service pack onto the installation media (i.e. make a custom installation cd). If you do this slipstream, when the installer asks for the key, none of the old keys will work.
Now, if this remains true for future service packs, I don’t know.
IN last 2 months microsoft started putting something in windowsupdate that corrupts dodgy XP copies so they crash a lot.. every 30 mins or so.
wouldnt be surprised if its in this too
I have an up to date install of XP running in my basement and I will tell you this; It’s rock solid stable. You’re just spreading FUD.
<shrugs> maybe you;re lucky
I’ve tested this with 5 separate installs and its confirmed on messageboards all over the web – XP installs perfectslt.. runs perfectly… after updates installed that fails to be the case
Its true.. this is a recent development.
Also got the corrupt message, but the download went fine,
could be that I use the dutch version of XP and this seemed to be the english ServicePack…
AmigaOS had localisation in the early nineties or maybe even late eighties of last century…
A few posters like yourself who cry wolf because their nonstandard hardware isn’t supported by XP and doesn’t run perfectly does not constitute message boards all over the web..
Though, on a similar note you could say that I am being completely unfair in that I purchased certified, specific hardware instead of buying for the cheapest crap I could find.
Hi, I’ve been using Linux for some years and I honestly don’t understand this…
Here in Brazil broadband is not omnipresent; many, many people use the Internet just one hour a day and, at this level, a dial-up connection is cheaper (money *is* a concern here).
I myself am pretty happy with a 64kbps cable connection.
My question is: how does someone upgrade Windows with a 133MB patch? The telephone will be kept busy for days?
Or does that means XP requires broadband?
DISCLAIMER: Ok, I’m pro-Linux, but *this time* I’m really puzzled.
“IN last 2 months microsoft started putting something in windowsupdate that corrupts dodgy XP copies so they crash a lot.. every 30 mins or so.”
Perhaps it is simply a bug in one of the patches and not intentional corruption on Microsoft’s part?
“My question is: how does someone upgrade Windows with a 133MB patch? The telephone will be kept busy for days?”
When I was on a dialup, I’d use a ‘download manager’ like GetRight, which could resume file transfers, so I could resume the download where I left off if I should happen to get disconnected or need to download the file in parts.
Its true.. this is a recent development.
Maybe you should install a viruschecker?
XP is pretty stable. Considered that I really don’t like Microsoft but I have been running this for the last 6 month’s… I’ve most of windowsupdate installed, Only the soundcard driver is a newer one from yamaha, and a videocard driver from ati’s website.
Ok, let’s suppose (in theory here, since piracy is so horribly wrong) that one tried to install the SP and got an “Invalid CD Key, please contact blah blah blah” error.. What would that person be able to get (say on Kazaa) to fix this minor speed bump?
To have a truly stable Win2k/XP you should MAKE SURE that your drivers you are using for any of your hardware is NOT written/compiled for Win9x or WinNT. You should only use drivers written for Win2k or XP, *no matter* if Ms claims that 9x drivers can run on XP.
This is the No 1 reason why XP might get unstable for some people. It is rock solid here, never had the smallest problem on this dual celeron machine, but I made sure that I run XP drivers that come with the OS, or they are certified by Microsoft if otherwise.
Just ran the update wizard…and no Xpsp1 available from there site..whatup!
I am not sure if SPs are available via the WindowsUpdate. Also, as I said in the article, the official announcement will be on Monday. The same happened with the Win2k SP and the OFfice SP. They put it on the servers 2-3 days before the announcement.
it’s too hard for you to actually click on the link in the story, isn’t it? Service Packs have never been distributed through the update wizard.
>and its confirmed on messageboards all over the web
I do not account message board comments by (Linux/Mac) zealots as “confirmation”.
And why would Ms crash their own OS every 30 minutes instead of try to completely disable the Warezed copy of XP? That just doesn’t make any sense at all. It would make their OS make an even worse name in the industry.
So, please.
Used the MS uninstall and removed WMP8. Installed WMP9Beta in place then uninstalled that. Tried to install WMP 7.1 and kept getting msg I had a up to date version already on, even though shown as uninstalled.
Going to assume that MS products are not uninstalled but well hidden.
Had XPSP1 up for 24hrs now and no problems yet.
The most interesting thing about Service Pack it’s all the controversy about warez-keys-activation. So many opinions and science fiction comments out there. During next week this will be a hot topic. Can’t wait for a final word on it.
Service Pack itself has 0 interest at all comparing it to Jaguar or the new Debian installer on way.
“My question is: how does someone upgrade Windows with a 133MB patch? The telephone will be kept busy for days? “
Well aren’t linux updates, a distro update?
and thats usually 500mbs +
>it’s too hard for you to actually click on the link in the >story, isn’t it? Service Packs have never been distributed >through the update wizard.
They are for Windows 2000, you simply need to install them seperatley from the other updates.
Darius>> When I was on a dialup, I’d use a ‘download manager’ like GetRight…
Yeah, this would work fine here — we got special low prices from Telco starting midnight to 6 AM. Clearly a viable solution.
Thanks.
I was really worried cause I’ll probably have to buy a Windows computer (because of a new job I got).
BTW, upon reading your message I thought Microsoft
users probably will soon find CDs with the SP…
idvah>> Well aren’t linux updates, a distro update?
and thats usually 500mbs +
I don’t know about other linux users, but here’s what I do:
1) I upgrade the kernel and apps separately.
Usually a small download (say, about 5- 15MB), a somewhat slow compilation on my way-too-old machine (say, 10 to 45 minutes) and voilà: something got upgraded.
2) Now and then I must upgrade many things, which is tedious. I then instead buy a magazine (cost: 3 to 4 US dollars) with the latest linux in a free accompanying CD.
After 1 to 3 hours (I have a very old machine) a new shiny linux is there alive and kicking. Last year, I started to buy more expensive boxed versions, just to help the distro folks (really unnecessary, magazines usually bring complete
versions).
I tried not to look like a zealot… but it’s difficult… 😉
I’m getting upset with the automatic update agent in win xp pro.
Anyway to permanently disable it ????
>>I do not account message board comments by (Linux/Mac) zealots as “confirmation”.<<
Now I can see some zealotry on your behalf Eugenia… months ago you quoted from message boards in regards to OS X, but couldn’t have those comments been from (Windows) zealots?
just curious 🙂
Before Windows first started loading up for SP1, it gave me the blue screen of death and I had to restart. It saided there was a problem with a driver but now it is working.
Eugenia: No idea. There is a menu where you can install/uninstall services (like IIS, IE etc) and MSN messanger was there.
It hides the programs because Microsoft doesn’t want to kill applications based on IE, IIS etc. Windows Messenger may be new (and annoying), but I would bet you would see it as one of the requirements of programs as soon Microsoft discontinue support for Windows 9x and Windows 2000.
Lee Nooks: My question is: how does someone upgrade Windows with a 133MB patch? The telephone will be kept busy for days?
Get Microsoft to ship it on a CD. Or get a download manager to download it in shifts.
Eduardo: Service Pack itself has 0 interest at all comparing it to Jaguar or the new Debian installer on way.
And if you notice, SP1 isn’t there to get new users or go on a million-dollar advertising drive or to laugh at Anaconda.
SP1 is mainly bugfixes and some enchancements.
Notice Microsoft, unlike Debian and Apple, isn’t hyping on it.
CattBeMac: Now I can see some zealotry on your behalf Eugenia… months ago you quoted from message boards in regards to OS X, but couldn’t have those comments been from (Windows) zealots?
Only time I remembered she did that was by proving Macs are slow, and she quoted from a Mac board. I’m not sure, maybe you could give an URL to the comment?
The person I quoted was a developer and a very knowledgable person, and whatever he said was in perfect agreement with my own experience as well. I do not quote random *rumors* from whatever forums.
>>The person I quoted was a developer and a very knowledgable person, and whatever he said was in perfect agreement with my own experience as well. I do not quote random *rumors* from whatever forums.<<
No you actually quoted from comments on other sites? This was last spring (I think), it doesn’t matter what the comments were about, the point is you don’t know who makes those comments. And my argument to you is how do you decide these people are Linux/Mac zealots? They might be actual Windows users having actual problems!
>They might be actual Windows users having actual problems!
Very unlikely. Why? Because it does not make sense:
“Ms is crashing your XP every 30 minutes if you use a warezed XP copy”.
Please. This is laughable. I just can’t accept it.
You can believe whatever you want.
>>Only time I remembered she did that was by proving Macs are slow, and she quoted from a Mac board. I’m not sure, maybe you could give an URL to the comment?<<
No she has done this a couple times… yeah one story a longtime ago she linked a Mac forum, but this was when she was commenting to someone in the OSNews forums! And she never proved Macs were slow, that’s all matter of opinion! I think PCs are slow, but that’s my opinion from experience since I deal with PCs along with Suns 40+ hours a week!
>>Very unlikely. Why? Because it does not make sense:
“Ms is crashing your XP every 30 minutes if you use a warezed XP copy”. Please. This is laughable. I just can’t accept it.
You can believe whatever you want.<<
It’s definitely a conspiracy theory and is a laughable one, but why point the finger at Linux and Mac folks for this?
I agree with you. I doubt wholeheartedly that Microsoft detects warez copies of XP and causes them to crash every 30 minutes. They would just not let XP run without a valid key.
I do think this statement is unfair, however.
I do not account message board comments by (Linux/Mac) zealots as “confirmation”.
Why would Linux and Mac zealots know or care anything about a Windows Service Pack? I know I don’t.
>And she never proved Macs were slow,
How can *I* prove it to you? Why do you expect ME to prove that to you. I am not the one who made the benchmarks. I am the one who linked to the 3 benchmark articles we had so far.
What I say, is that OSX is *dog slow*. And I mean it.
And I do not need to prove it to you. I don’t have to.
>but why point the finger at Linux and Mac folks for this?
Because some anti-Ms people (most of the time (but not always) this is equal to Linux/Mac people) will start these STUPID rumors, not Windows users.
I have never heard any of the guys here at work complain about XP crashing every thirty minutes, so I don’t belive it either! I’m just giving you a hardtime, it’s a ho hum of a night here at work… we just got through our busy period so I figured I’d cruise thru OSNews real quick and catch up on some gossip!
🙂
>They would just not let XP run without a valid key.
Exactly. And I have proof for this. Wait for me, to upload the screenshot an osnews reader sent me an hour ago.
I tried not to look like a zealot… but it’s difficult… 😉
Since when was zealotry wrong? Large doses of zeal are good for you every now and then; or at least they should be.
Speaking of the word “zealot”, I don’t understand its use a lot of times; especially in regards to technology. I mean if a culinary choice was placed before you, and it consisted of a steaming bowl of soup or a steaming turd, you would choose the soup; unless you are Schlemiel the Dung Connoisseur. In fact, if there was a line of people there, you might politely suggest to those around you that the soup would be a fitter choice and a tastier meal. In this scenario, people would thank you for your kind warning, and definitely not call you a soup zealot.
It’s the exact same thing with Linux and Windows. You’re not a Linux zealot, your just politely warning people about the Windows turd.
>>How can *I* prove it to you? Why do you expect ME to prove that to you. I am not the one who made the benchmarks. I am the one who linked to the 3 benchmark articles we had so far.
What I say, is that OSX is *dog slow*. And I mean it.
And I do not need to prove it to you. I don’t have to.<<
I don’t expect you to prove that to me, I own 3 Macs, so I would know first hand, I also own (and work around them as well) a PC, so I know them first hand. OS X is not *dog slow* it was last summer and I even complained about it and I bet my complaints are on these old forums somewhere. I think 10.1 runs okay, though it is slower than OS 9 on the same hardware (no matter G3 or G4 and I have both), but it’s not so slow that it’s unbearable. Come play with these PCs running WinNT/2k I have to deal with at work, now that’s unbearable! Of course I have my TiBook G4 here at work (I’m typing this on it) and so I don’t have to deal with the PCs as much (except for our Linux workstation, but that’s an AMD Athlon MP 1.6 GHz and a great machine) I still use the PCs to do Visio diagrams and schematics but that’s all!
I have to agree with you. I used OS X the day it first came out and although I liked it a lot, it was slow. I haven’t used Jaguar yet, but I was given an iBook at work and installed the release just prior to Jaguar. It is much better.
Now, regarding the benchmarks. Windows may do some benchmark something or other faster, but Windows XP’s UI sucks. I’m not talking about the looks of it, the graphics handling itself is horrible. OS X on the other hand is very smooooooooth. I don’t care if Windows can do some floating point calculation faster, if the UI drags, fails to paint correctly, etc, it is not a good user experience.
Windows may be faster according to benchmarks, but it’s like the cousin that everyone hates; you mearly tolerate its being. OS X on the other hand is like a comfortable chair, a good book, and a refreshing drink on a day you don’t have to work.
Thanks for the link – my XP update was smooth as silk!
To me, one becomes a zealot, not because he or she simply favors a particular platform, but when that person is no longer able to view things objectively…well, let’s say even remotely objectively. So for example, a person might have used Apple computers their whole life, starting with Apple II’s and then moving over to Macs, Power PC and then OS X yet not be an Apple/Mac zealot – it may be the person simply wants to stay with what he/she knows best and understands the most about. On the other hand, it is discouraging to see true zealots, who have the capacity to understand the computing spectrum as a whole, but refuse to do that, blinding themselves to an openended and objective understanding.
CattBeMac, the Windows computers where you work must be terrible. I am basically a Mac/Be/Linux person, but XP Pro is extremely fast on my 1.7 Celeron. It just is. Our Macs all have 10.2 and they are all not exactly zippy, except the Dual 1 GB Power Mac is pretty fast – and I’m not talking so much about once you get an application going, but in the Finder, with windows and stuff like that. There are some exceptions. They’ve got AppleWorks optimized so it opens instantly. And there is the Photoshop trick. I really like 10.2, but they have to do something about this sluggishness.
Actually Eugenia has said good things about OS X in those regards where Windows redraw is concerned, probably one of the few positive remarks she’ll say, but hey I don’t expect everyone to like the same things and that is great because that makes each market (whatever that could be) more fun for consumers. Almost like sports where everybody has their favorite team and they root for that team and praise that team when things go right and cuss that same team when things go wrong. Imagine if everybody rooted for the same team, it would be no competition and no reason to be there in the first place. Same thing imagining if there was only Windows (or Mac or even Linux) it would be boring and no fun and Eugenia wouldn’t have as many hits on her website (Mac vs. PC “hee haw”), nor would any other tech web site for that matter!
From what I read about the PCs you work with, you are well, using PCs older than Macs. Plus, those PCs you are working with most probably came from the age where PPC reign as performance king.
>>CattBeMac, the Windows computers where you work must be terrible. I am basically a Mac/Be/Linux person,<<
Yeah that would be an understatement… I am also Mac/Be person and I also like Linux and Solaris (I’ve been working around Solaris for almost a decade, well when it was still called Sun OS)!
>>but XP Pro is extremely fast on my 1.7 Celeron. It just is. Our Macs all have 10.2 and they are all not exactly zippy, except the Dual 1 GB Power Mac is pretty fast – and I’m not talking so much about once you get an application going, but in the Finder, with windows and stuff like that. There are some exceptions. They’ve got AppleWorks optimized so it opens instantly. And there is the Photoshop trick. I really like 10.2, but they have to do something about this sluggishness.<<
I would hope so on even a Celeron at that clockspeed. Yeah I can’t comment on Jaguar, I am still waiting for my copy to show up! Well AppleWorks opened fast on OS 9 as well and of course OS 9 was really fast on todays Macs. But from what I have seen all over of the web is that Jaguar is as fast as OS 9 (which is quick itself as I said above). I have this TiBook G4 (667 MHz) and it runs on par with the guys running XP on PC laptops with Pentium IIIs up to 1 GHz (this is no joke) and OS 9 would make it even more apparent!
>>From what I read about the PCs you work with, you are well, using PCs older than Macs. Plus, those PCs you are working with most probably came from the age where PPC reign as performance king.<<
Rajan,
These PCs are not even a year older than my old iMac G3 and they have the same specs where MHz and RAM is concerned (though I have updated my RAM since, but this slowness was apparent even before the update)!
>> Since when was zealotry wrong? Large doses of zeal are good for you every now and then; or at least they should be.
I was being sarcastic; it was not a serious comment.
Just for the record, I usually think just like you; nonetheless, I observed many Windows users assume talking about Linux is propaganda. Maybe this is prejudice, maybe this is based on some fanatic Linux advocate… I don’t know.
CattBeMac: But from what I have seen all over of the web is that Jaguar is as fast as OS 9 (which is quick itself as I said above).
From what I read, only the eye candy is faster :-(. The speed imporvements, accroading from the reviews I have read, isn’t as apparent as OS X 10.0 to 10.1 as to 10.1 to 10.2
But, just like you, I never tried it yet.
CattBeMac: I have this TiBook G4 (667 MHz) and it runs on par with the guys running XP on PC laptops with Pentium IIIs up to 1 GHz (this is no joke) and OS 9 would make it even more apparent!
I find that hard to believe, because I have compared my laptop (1.1GHz PIII) with a PowerMac. Not that impressive. Plus, in today’s terms, comparing a TiBook to a P3 is bad, comparing an iBook with a P3 is better.
But anyway, if I was to buy a new laptop, I would get a Mac. Because the only other PC I would ever get is an IBM and a Sony, whose laptops is slightly more expensive than Apple’s. So, why not go for something that looks better? (Of course, as soon as I get it, I would slap Linux on).
PCs are still behind Macs on laptops in terms of quality. they may be faster, they may have more batery life, but if you go on a rough ride, you would be calling “Hello? HP technical support? I have a problem….”
CattBeMac: These PCs are not even a year older than my old iMac G3 and they have the same specs where MHz and RAM is concerned (though I have updated my RAM since, but this slowness was apparent even before the update)!
How old is your PC? Because once upon a time, PPC (liek the G3) was much faster than their PC counterparts. (Equal clock speed means your Mac should be faster than the PC, comparing G3s with PII and PIII). How old is your iMac too? And how old is your other Macs?
Have you even tried all the new stuff out there that is 4-6x faster than the PC you are having? Go out and try it out, you probably get suprised :-P.
But what I see from your posts, speed is the last thing on your mind, so probably PCs aren’t for you like Macs aren’t for me.
>>I find that hard to believe, because I have compared my laptop (1.1GHz PIII) with a PowerMac. Not that impressive. Plus, in today’s terms, comparing a TiBook to a P3 is bad, comparing an iBook with a P3 is better.<<
It isn’t like I have a choice in which CPU to compare to… all the guys bought their laptops prior to the P4 hitting mobile status!
>>But anyway, if I was to buy a new laptop, I would get a Mac. Because the only other PC I would ever get is an IBM and a Sony, whose laptops is slightly more expensive than Apple’s. So, why not go for something that looks better? (Of course, as soon as I get it, I would slap Linux on).<<
I would actually buy a IBM ThinkPad myself… the engineers where I work got those a couple years ago and though Win2k runs a little slow on them, they are nice laptops and my one friend even installed BeOS on his for the fun of it and the laptops was quick for BeOS’ sake… I would get one to run Linux/BeOS on it!
>>PCs are still behind Macs on laptops in terms of quality. they may be faster, they may have more batery life, but if you go on a rough ride, you would be calling “Hello? HP technical support? I have a problem….”<<
One of the guys that I work with (also a close friend) has an HP Pavilion laptop that he likes, but he also says HP’s technical support is not all that great, especially where documentation and drivers are concerned!
>>How old is your PC? Because once upon a time, PPC (liek the G3) was much faster than their PC counterparts. (Equal clock speed means your Mac should be faster than the PC, comparing G3s with PII and PIII). How old is your iMac too? And how old is your other Macs?<<
My PC is OLD, but the work PCs are (I think) 98 and my iMac is 99… they have PIIs/PIIIs in them running at 400 MHz where I have a G3 running at 400 MHz my other Mac is an old SE/30 that was given to me from a friend in the US… it runs ols System 7 and has MS Office on it and Netscape (talk about old, heck 650 KB of RAM)!
>>Have you even tried all the new stuff out there that is 4-6x faster than the PC you are having? Go out and try it out, you probably get suprised :-P.<<
Oh trust me we have a Linux workstation (okay it’s a PC) with dual AMD Athlon’s 1.6 GHz and like this machine… heck I used it all lastnight at work. It was built a year ago and we have been testing it out, which it may replace some of our Sun workstations as (what we call) frontends to our Sun Ultra 60s to give us some power in the graphics dept. The Suns are fast, but when you put a lot of load on them like we do, they could use a little help. We have a lot of data intensive tasks that we throw at these machines and with graphics running on top of all this with 3 headed consoles, it takes a lot out of an Ultra 60 (especially since Sun does not support 3 headed workstations to my knowledge, we jerry rigged them)! And being that some of my friends have AMD boxes at home, I get to have a play with those as well, and of course they have a play with mine. Most of the guys would rather own both systems… they say there is no reason to upgrade their PCs, so why not go out and buy a Mac and have the best of both worlds. I imagine once I get what I want in my Mac collection (which OBOS might be at R2 by then and Linux will be worthy of the desktop) I’ll get me an AMD Super Hammer he he 🙂
I just got home from work, so time to go to bed!
Just wondering, is there any particular reason why I should waste time downloading this 113MB monstrosity and install it? I am perfectly happy with the current XP. Is there something special besides bux fixes? I haven’t got ANY problems with the errors currently present in the original Windows XP Pro and I am perfectly happy with it. Why should I install this service pack for? I am not against it, I just want to know if it’s worth wasting time downloading it and installing it.
Why should I install this service pack for? I am not against it, I just want to know if it’s worth wasting time downloading it and installing it.
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Yep, I’d like to hear the reason too.
The perception that you can uninstall MS’ apps was a requirement from the DoJ, I believe. That seems to be its main selling point. I’m jumping up & down with excitement, just as I was when sp3 for win2k came out.
LOL, ooops, it’s actually 133MB, well unless Microsoft gets a plane and starts throwing/parachuting free WinXP SP1 CDs above our houses so, “there you go people, free XP SP1 CDs for everyone JUST install the thing!! PLEASE!”, or I get it on a cover disk that’s the only way I am putting this thing on my computer that’s for sure lol hehe
Install took a while but it seemingly went through fine. After rebooting, I noticed that IE 6 stopped working. Anything I type into the location bar of IE6, it would pop up a dialong box asking me to choose open, save, cancel or more info. Pressing open button would ask me to choose the application to do the opening. It’s obvious IE lost is marbles. After spending about an hour trying to fix the problem, I came to a conclusion that due to Microsoft’s infinite wisdom of integrating IE into the OS, there isn’t
any way to repair the damage.
Start Menu now has an item called “Set Program Access and Defaults”. This is very similar what was included with Windows 2000 SP3. It allows user control over default browser, media player, instant messenger, and Java virtual machine. There is “Add/Remove Windows Components” icon on left of a window. There are number of components like IIS, MSN Explorer, Message Queuing that can be added or removed. Strangely, what’s mixed in along the items that can be added and removed are Internet Exploror, Outlook Express, Windows Media Player, Windows Messenger but they cannot be removed but merely suppress the icon from being shown on desktop and start menu. It’s so apparent how someone can mistakenly believe that these components can be removed. This is equivalent of dragging a short cut into a Recycle Bin disguised as a add/remove feature. It was so disappointing
to see that this paltry dialog box was the end result of all the the discussion and deal cutting that went on between Microsoft and nine states.
Since IE6 was broken beyond repair I decided to make Mozilla 1.1 the default browser in hopes that perhaps life will go on uninterrupted. However I noticed that Windows Update just won’t work with it. I also noticed that Outlook Express also became a mindless zombie due to it’s dependency on IE. Facing the inevitable task of reinstalling XP on the machine for the third time in past two months, I’ve decided to dump Windows XP and go with Linux and KDE. Thank you Microsoft for simplifying my decision making process.
Perhaps – in fact clearly – you dont pay attention.
I have a damn’ expensive high quality motherboard, good RAM ( crucial ) AMD chip, Maxtor HDD.. the lot. My computer is as high as you can get in quality..
And it ran an unpatched copy of WinXP for 14 days uptime no probs before rebooting. since Windowsupdate installation of patches uptime dropped to precisely 45 minutes between crashes.
I have reformatted and had same results.. and confirmed the same on 3 other PCs and seen it confirmed all over the web
So don’t be a fool all your life…
Dont take my word for it – install a dodgy XP PRo using the well known FCKGW serial no into a spare partition, then go to windowsupdate and download all the recommended patches.
Then you can come back and apologise….
Ok, let’s suppose (in theory here, since piracy is so horribly wrong) that one tried to install the SP and got an “Invalid CD Key, please contact blah blah blah” error.. What would that person be able to get (say on Kazaa) to fix this minor speed bump?
Google around, offcourse. Basically there are two keys for the coorparate edition (the one who doesn’t whine if you change around hardware a lot) that are no longer valid…
So get yourself a new key (bluelist keygenerator)
unregister XP, enter new and valid keynumber, register again.
Although one of the latest hotfixes from MS had something to do with the unregister part, don’t know what that one was about.
Although one of the latest hotfixes from MS had something to do with the unregister part, don’t know what that one was about.
mmm, ignore this statement, it had some other purpose…
wasn’t awake yet.
(why are all these religious people ringing my doorbell so freaking early, God knows that I don’t like to get up early)
CattBeMac: One of the guys that I work with (also a close friend) has an HP Pavilion laptop that he likes, but he also says HP’s technical support is not all that great, especially where documentation and drivers are concerned!
You can say that again. Their support is that terrible, I’m never buying something that is branded “HP” anymore, except for printers (the support is good for them, ironically).
CattBeMac: My PC is OLD, but the work PCs are (I think) 98 and my iMac is 99…
That figures. Back then, PPC were still speed kings. The speed differences between a PIII 400mhz and a G3 400mhz is very different.
Of course, now times has change.
CattBeMac: I imagine once I get what I want in my Mac collection (which OBOS might be at R2 by then and Linux will be worthy of the desktop) I’ll get me an AMD Super Hammer he he 🙂
From what I have heard, no developer is interested in a PPC port of OBOS (a port has a lot more to do than just recompiling – have to write drivers, for example).
exxpuser: This is equivalent of dragging a short cut into a Recycle Bin disguised as a add/remove feature. It was so disappointing
to see that this paltry dialog box was the end result of all the the discussion and deal cutting that went on between Microsoft and nine states.
Microsoft is following the original DOJ deal in which 9 states support, and 9 oppose. The nonsettling states want all middleware removed. Here’s the problem with that:
– Many applications depend on Microsoft middleware, especially IE (because it has been the longest available via Win32 APIs) and Java. This would break the applications.
– The nonsettling state’s defination of “middleware” means everything from the shell to notepad must be removed in a special version, and in the OEM version.
Besides, to the average Joe (in which most of Windows users are), won’t notice that IE is still installed. The Windows shell totally hides it.
exxpuser: Since IE6 was broken beyond repair I decided to make Mozilla 1.1 the default browser in hopes that perhaps life will go on uninterrupted. However I noticed that Windows Update just won’t work with it.
It obviously doesn’t. Windows Update only works for Windows components, and Mozilla isn’t a Windows component. Heck, you can’t update Office via Windows Update. Note the name: *Windows* Update.
exxpuser: Facing the inevitable task of reinstalling XP on the machine for the third time in past two months, I’ve decided to dump Windows XP and go with Linux and KDE.
Hmmm, something tells me this is a lie. The SP1 package isn’t out for at least a day, and you manage to download it, find it broken, spend “hours” trying to repair it, magically got a Linux CD (of any distro) and installed it, and got happy with it.
I’m happy for you, man. I do still doubt your story, all the people I have asked that had already tried out SP1 don’t have problems with IE.
I’ve always wondered how many of the more vocal Microsoft/Windows fanboys and girls have actually BOUGHT Windows / Office as opposed to simply stealing it …
I own 3 valid XP (2 PRO / 1 Home) licenses, yet I use Linux. Do the pirates (read as: loser petty thieves) really have a right to even BE Windows zealots, not having actually BOUGHT any of it? That’s like stealing a cool watch from someone, then going around bragging about how nice it is to all your friends. Sleezy. Lame. Just plain wrong.
In a way, I think it’d be cool if Microsoft found a way to keep XP and Office from being pirated — a lot of those 1337 Windows zealots would be in for a huge shock when it came time to cough up $200 for XP PRO and several hundred more for OfficeXP w/ FrontPage. How great would MS products be then, I wonder, when they stopped being “free”? It would be fun to watch … except that the losers would have to turn somewhere, and since Macs certainly aren’t free, it’d probably be to Linux …
… and that’s why I hope it doesn’t happen … see, Linux is free. People use it because they WANT to use it, not because it’s free (normally you have to DELETE a copy of Windows you’ve PAID for in order to use Linux exclusively, since your PC came with Windows bolted on in the first place). So hopefully MS will keep the losers/thieves … and Linux’ userbase won’t be polluted / dragged down by them …
Just a thought.
If you’re one of the losers, I’m sure you’re sitting in your chair sputtering in righteous indignation right now. Good, if it gets you to THINK … flame away. =)
If you’re one of the thieves … next time you start to trash Linux, Macs, BeOS, whatever … ask yourself if you’d still feel the same way if you didn’t get all your MS crap for “free”. Ask yourself, “Why are so many people even bothering with Linux if it’s THIS easy to use Windows / Office without paying for it …?” Hmm. Could it be … because Linux is growing faster and faster and, for some of us willing to give it a shot, is a great OS that happens to come without Windows’ price tag,invasive EULAs, and spyware (otherwise known as Windows Media Player)? Without forcing us to do business with a convicted criminal that shows no real remorse or desire to change? Maybe. Could it be because some of us simply don’t like to cheat and steal? Maybe. But you won’t really ask yourself any of that, will you? You won’t question yourself, will you? If you were the type of person to really THINK about these things, you probably wouldn’t be a loser and a thief to start with, would you?
So, yeah, maybe I am a Linux zealot. But at least I’m not a hypocrite, a liar, and a thief.
I just wanted to take a moment to laugh at the bickering here amongst people. Are we all not here to share our experiences with XP SP1? Call me wrong here but I dont think we need to fight over all this crap. Also for the record, MS did nothing outside of the CD Key Check and my XP is running fine, updates and all so no complaints.
I didn’t say I was blaming Microsoft for “protecting their property” as they term it – its fair game. I stole it – they try and prevent it.
I’m one of the morons who bought a PC with Windows ME on it because they said it was a good OS….. I’m now using a pirate Win2000 SP3 install as ME reliability was just plain lies, and XP – well they were cleverer than I am and I don’t like running an unpatched OS.
As for alternative OS’s… well yeah I could run Linux, I’ve done it before… but frankly I own legit copies of Microsoft Office,Paintshop Pro and a few other apps and I feel I am owed a stable environment in which to run them. Microsoft conned me over ME so I stole Win2k {shrug} it happens.
Illegal? yes. Immoral? possibly. Keeps me awake at night? No.
Can we stop the bickering for five minutes?
What I want to know is does the SP1 exist on microsoft’s FTP server?
I’ve been crawling the ftp site for the last 30 minutes or so, and haven’t found where they put put, if they did even.
What I also notice is how strangely they like to organize it… not even a /pub folder.. geez
Anyhow… Could some brave soul post where it is on an FTP please?
And no, I do not desire to use GetRight or that other crap. Thanx.
-Chris
lol, I think someone should remind Rob of Microsoft’s business track record through the decades if he’s concerned about stealing. Somebody send me a link with a summary or something, I’m URLless.
Besides, nobody reading OSNEWS would pirate an MS product. We are too angelic, and we respect MS and their above-board business, marketing and privacy tactics far too much. Besides, they need every cent they can get. Anyone pirating their stuff should be ashamed of themselves.
Or something.
Besides, there’s plenty of choice out there. BeOS for instance. Oh wait, OEMS didn’t say yes to that despite it being FREE. Oh but Dell is selling machines without an MS OS. Oh but wait, they cost the same as the ones that come WITH A COPY OF XP. Shit. Bad example.
… I scarcely know where to begin … but how about:
“lol, I think someone should remind Rob of Microsoft’s business track record through the decades if he’s concerned about stealing. Somebody send me a link with a summary or something, I’m URLless.”
Ah. So because Microsoft is immoral, anything done to them is justified and excusable. That is a cheap, poorly-reasoned cop-out. Follow the logic:
1) MS is an immoral entity, guilty of several crimes (thought I don’t recall them ever having been convicted of simple, outright, petty theft — they stole much more creatively than that).
2) Because of this, you steal from MS, as is your “right”. Do unto others as THEY have done unto others, huh? That’s … interesting, since it leads to —
3) At this point, if someone breaks into your house and steals something from you, you have no recourse. YOU stole from MS, after all, for whatever reason. Following your train of logic, because you have now stolen (just as MS has, making it okay for you to steal from them at your leisure) it’s now okay to steal from you. Again … interesting.
“Besides, they need every cent they can get. Anyone pirating their stuff should be ashamed of themselves.”
Ah, another little jewel of wisdom. Let’s follow this train of logic, as well.
1) MS has a lot of money, more than anyone or any corporation can reasonably be said to “need” (certainly when compared to, say, people like you and me).
2) Because MS has “too much” money (in your estimation) it’s okay to steal from them.
3) You no doubt have more money than the average homeless person. Now, from the example above, we’ve seen that because you have stolen, it’s okay for you to be stolen from. Also, following your train of logic yet again, since you have more money than this homeless person, in HIS estimation “more than you need” … it is now acceptable for him to steal your money for not one but TWO reasons. So if that happens, be sure you don’t call the cops, since following your logic, you’d have no moral legs to stand on.
“Besides, there’s plenty of choice out there. BeOS for instance. Oh wait, OEMS didn’t say yes to that despite it being FREE.”
It gets better and better. Actually, OEMs were NOT ALLOWED to say yes to BeOS. Microsoft is a monopoly. Microsoft abused that power to literally force OEMs to buy a copy of Windows whether their machines had Windows on them or not. Be decided to get around THIS by offering the OS for free. But MS’ reach didn’t end there. The OEMs had ALREADY bought a copy (again, they had NO CHOICE) of Windows for every PC they manufactured. Yet, their agreements with MS precluded shipping Windows in a dual-boot configuration with ANY OTHER OS. So the only way for an OEM to ship BeOS would be to ship ONLY BeOS, basically “throwing away” the copy of Windows they’d ALREADY PAID FOR. Sounds fair, huh? Sounds like free and open competition, huh? The only OEM that intended to ship BeOS / Windows in a dual-boot config was Hitachi. However, due to their agreement with Microsoft, in the end those machines shipped with BeOS literally hidden from the user. BeOS WAS installed, but at boot the machines gave no indication that this was so. If that wasn’t MS improperly stifling competition, I don’t know what possibly could be.
As for Dell selling machines without an OS yet charging the same price … read the section above again, and ask yourself “Why?”.
What a joke. Your post, that is. Did you even think before you typed that crap? Maybe the better question is, are you going to think before you type your response …
I won’t get my hopes up.
“I think 10.1 runs okay,
though it is slower than OS 9 on the same hardware (no matter G3 or G4
and I have both),”
Surely a major improvement of an OS ought to run noticeably _faster_
than the old version, not slower? Especially when the old version was
a notoriously outdated OS.
You are accepting the unacceptable here.
“Surely a major improvement of an OS ought to run noticeably _faster_ than the old version, not slower? Especially when the old version was a notoriously outdated OS.”
You mean like the move from Windows98SE -> WindowsXP Home?
“You are accepting the unacceptable here.”
Exactly.
[quote](why are all these religious people ringing my doorbell so freaking early, God knows that I don’t like to get up early)[unquote]
gfx… *grin*.. that’s the best phrase in this whole discussion..
On topic: downloading the beast… from the beast (eh) now
Its easy to cercumvnet if u know how, and here’s the Url to tell U. It even has a nice pic of the Devil’s Own in front of MS’s XP countdown to lauch
http://kickme.to/trwxp
Can someone confirm for me out of pure interest that this update contains the same “your box is belong to bill” agreement that win2k sp3 had?
Sorry Eugenia, I’ve known about these bugs since Windows 98. They come and go. Get worse and get better. WinME was the worst with this crap, that I can tell. I love removing items on the Start menu, seeing them still appear there emmediatly after delete and getting “file system error” when trying again to delete them (because, duh, they’re already gone but the stupid Taskbar does not redraw its contents from the current state of the FS).
As for finding weird bugs… you and me must have the same mutant ability. Almost all the annoying crappy little bugs that get up my nostrils on a daily basis are often completely un-noticed by my coworkers. It’s really annoying to be told “it’s only you, Jace.” (how many seconds will it take before someone posts “It’s only you, Jace.”)
Perhaps, Seedy, you haven’t paid any attention to me. I went out of my way to purchase hardware that was “Windows XP certified”, and the sort. I don’t care if you have a 400mhz with 96M of ram, this isn’t about quality.
1,000mhz/640Mb RAM and every single item XP certified
I have a machine running XP Pro with the FCKGW serial with all of the Windows Update patches installed. I have had 0 problems what so ever. Please stop spreading FUD.
It seems everytime I right click on an MP3 file it crashes explorer.exe. I only have realplayer and windows media player installed and untill SP1 came out they never posed a problem with MP3s. I’m just wondering if its an actual ‘bug’ or a ‘feature’ to make WMP work with XP and the others crash. I’ve also tried Winamp and QCD to associate with MP3 files and still the same result.
On another workstation with win2k SP3 installed with the same apps on the system I get the same result. Annoying? You bet!! I want to find a way to fix it.
Service pack available-
70 posts of FUD,Flame, and Fantasy.
So, has anyone applied the service pack yet?
And how is it running?
I applied the official service pack soon after its availability was announced and from my limited testing I have had no problems. There were even issues (such as Q317751) that were causing me grief that have been fixed.
So, a happy SP1 user here.
Hi,
When I visited several forums about xp sp1, I have seen that people are talking built 1106 is not the final sp, and there is a new built, 1110.
Do you know any thing about that?
>>Surely a major improvement of an OS ought to run noticeably _faster_
than the old version, not slower? Especially when the old version was
a notoriously outdated OS.
You are accepting the unacceptable here.<<
It’s nothing to do with that… OS 9 is a lighter weighted OS compared to OS X just like Win95 was to Win98 and WinNT was to Win2k, and I don’t find XP fast as you people claim, but I also don’t get to play with it everyday (I only got to play with here and there and for a week solid back in the spring while kidsitting and used their machines, but that’s been about it)!
~Seedy~: As for alternative OS’s… well yeah I could run Linux, I’ve done it before… but frankly I own legit copies of Microsoft Office,Paintshop Pro and a few other apps and I feel I am owed a stable environment in which to run them. Microsoft conned me over ME so I stole Win2k {shrug} it happens.
Microsoft didn’t conned you. Microsoft said it is more stable than Windows 98. Not *stable*. Besides, Microsoft sells Windows Me for consumers, and Windows 2000 for professionals. Legit copies differ by $100 (non-OEM). So it isn’t fair. It is like you punching one of my eyes, and I punch you back on both of your eyes.
Besides, this still makes you a hypocrite.
Chris Simmons: What I want to know is does the SP1 exist on microsoft’s FTP server?
The link is up there.
kreechah: lol, I think someone should remind Rob of Microsoft’s business track record through the decades if he’s concerned about stealing. Somebody send me a link with a summary or something, I’m URLless.
We shouldn’t fight fire with fire.
Besides, except for code stealing and patent infrigement (which microsoft already paid dearly), what Microsoft did was what every profitable software company in one way or another does what Microsoft does. Anti trust laws, BTW, as http://www.capitalismcenter.org/Campaigns/Microsoft/default.htm says, are punishing Microsoft for being successful.
One example of an totally unethical (even more unethical than MS) is Apple. They just never get any anti trust complains (no one wants to file one), but if they were having Microsoft shares, they would have destroyed more companies than Microsoft would ever have.
kreechah: Besides, there’s plenty of choice out there. BeOS for instance. Oh wait, OEMS didn’t say yes to that despite it being FREE.
OEMs didn’t say yes to bundling beOS with Windows on the same PC, something Microsoft forbids for decades. Be just wanted the easy way to get market share.
Besides, if Be hit the right targets, they could have the same level of success as Linux is having now, in the emerging markets in China, india, etc. Right now, even tier-one OEMs have Linux systems shipped there instead of Windows systems.
Rob: Microsoft abused that power to literally force OEMs to buy a copy of Windows whether their machines had Windows on them or not.
This haven’t been proven till now. The only thing that is proven is the fact Microsoft doesn’t allow another OS to be bundled with Windows on the same machine.
Rob: As for Dell selling machines without an OS yet charging the same price … read the section above again, and ask yourself “Why?”.
Dell, from the amount of machines they sell, probably get their copy of Windows for $20-30. It doesn’t make marketing sense to change a large number just to show the different. (for example, Windows XP machine cost $2000, it would be stupid to have FreeDOS machine at $1980).
~Seedy~: 1,000mhz/640Mb RAM and every single item XP certified
For a machine to be XP Certified, it must have at least the clock speed of 300MHz and 128MB of RAM…
It seems everytime I right click on an MP3 file it crashes explorer.exe. I only have realplayer and windows media player installed and untill SP1 came out they never posed a problem with MP3s.
I could do what you just did. Nothing happen except a menu showed up.
CattBeMac: OS 9 is a lighter weighted OS compared to OS X just like Win95 was to Win98 and WinNT was to Win2k, and I don’t find XP fast as you people claim
Pre-SP1 XP is slower than Windows 2000, BTW. But it was still faster than OS X.
>>Pre-SP1 XP is slower than Windows 2000, BTW. But it was still faster than OS X.<<
Yeah I could imagine comparing to Mac OS X 10.0, which was SLOW (and maybe even 10.1 depending what machine you’re running). At least you tell it like it is!
on a side note:
You still thinking about doing some project you were talking about months ago?
It seems everytime I right click on an MP3 file it crashes explorer.exe. I only have realplayer and windows media player installed
That’s the problem realplayer is evil, there is so much crap in that one it’s not even funny…
Get rid of real player and your troubles will be over.
this rant is based on an slightly older version of realplayer, I don’t know if they improves things but I can live without it.
You misunderstand me.
I asked, “What I want to know is does the SP1 exist on microsoft’s FTP server?”
I know there is a link in the OSNews story. It’s fairly obvious. I even clicked it, and was going to download it when I realized that the internet connection where I am is not 100% reliable.
That’s when I thought of using my trusty FTP application, and attempted to log into microsoft at their download link url… no go..
So I tried http://ftp.microsoft.com
Their directory structure leaves a lot to be desired. Beats me if it’s on there.
So I then posted my original comment here, in the hopes that someone intelligent would respond, and gosh, give an answer to a question that contains content other than bickering and childish behaviour.
But alas, I was wrong yet again. It’s no wonder microsoft controls the market. We’re too busy fighting with ourselves to notice the tendrils of their control slipping around us.
So, to all of you who are bashing this, or that.. GROW UP.
If you want to respond to my post, please email me directly at: [email protected] and we can discuss it privately, without wasting the bandwidth of this server, and anyone coming here in vain attempts to seek out an intelligent discussion on Operating Systems, and other related material.
Oh, yes, btw… I would still love to know if there exists an ftp location for Service Pack 1 for Windows XP. I’m quite sure that I’m not the only one who would like to see it on an ftp server.
Thank you in advance. Have a great weekend…
-Chris
I think Microsoft did an excellent job w/ SP1, it is more responsive on my lil cleron =)
I think that is the third step to the end of M$ monopoly… The first was the copy activation of Windows XP. The second was the change of licensing for big companies. The third is the end of the “trial version” of Windows XP Professional …
It is obvious that M$ released that corporate pirated licenses to the people have chance to eXPeriment Windows XP and become addicted, like drug trafficants do.
Now it is time to eXPeriment a real O.S. and freedom of choice, like linux or any opensource O.S.
In my country, the majority of PCs are “gray” and many use pirate copies because they don’t have money to pay the equivalent of four minimum salary for a single copy of Windows XP. We can buy a gray PC that is cheaper than a single copy of M$ Office ! The third world and Europe will change massively to linux and only the U.S.A. will remain to pay the M$ tax, hidden in the OEM schemes. People that voted for Bush for president …
I installed XP SP1, but my machine crashed immediately on the next reboot. This seems to be a problem with my virtual CD device driver, not Windows XP itself, because my system has become quite flaky in the past few days.
Anyway, I do not notice anything new except that the GUI seems to be a bit more responsive. The “set program access and defaults” is nice but not spectacular. My media player and browser (Opera and RealONE) just don’t show up. I hope the third party developers add support for this new API soon.
Eugenia:
You might try deleting the Windows shell icon cache. It’s a wierd hidden file somewhere in the Windows subdirectories called ShellIconCache. You can safely delete it, and when you restart Windows will simply recreate it.
You’ve run into an obscure bug that has happened in the shell of all Windows versions since 95, and specifically in the Windows 2000/XP Add/Remove Programs control panel applet. For no good reason, some of my installed programs got the Opera icon…go figure. 😉
…could you please go act like a raving lunatic somewhere else?
Lunatic ? I ?! Lunatics are people that like M$ and its behaviour !
M$ is bad for all the world and U.S.A. also. Many american software-houses were eliminated by the predatory and monopolistic actions of M$.
I will laugh when M$ make a Service Pack N and Windows Media N that bill your credit card automatically when you listen a simple music or when you see a video on your computer.
I prefer the freedom of choice !
Lunatic ? I ?! Lunatics are people that like M$ and its behaviour !
I said that you were *acting* like a raving lunatic.
M$ is bad for all the world and U.S.A. also.
The US was part of the world last time I checked.
Many american software-houses were eliminated by the predatory and monopolistic actions of M$.
And your point in repeatedly singling out the US is…?
I will laugh when M$ make a Service Pack N and Windows Media N that bill your credit card automatically when you listen a simple music or when you see a video on your computer.
And I will be laughing at you until they do.
I prefer the freedom of choice !
I prefer choice, too, and that is why I do not engage in the mindless bashing of other operating systems and the holy wars against proprietary software.
Does anyone know where VIA Hardware disappeared to? For the past few days the link below redirects me to some site called sudhian.com:
http://www.viahardware.com
the About page on Sudhian has staff profiles
All are former Viahardware staff
Assumption. Sudhian=Viahardware or its successor, or has bought/taken it over.
Now that is just too wierd… 😛
Thanks for the info!
Just ignore Marcelo. I am pretty sure Marcelo will never understand the difference between a reasonable open minded person and a lunatic.
Technix, you might have better luck if you use WGET. It supports HTTP Resume, and it’ll result in much less insanity from searching MS’s FTP.
If you don’t have wget, google does (yes, even for Windows)