“Recently, I tried out Red Hat’s new version 8.0 (“Psyche”) on my testing machine — a machine whose purpose in life is to prevent me from making stupid mistakes with actually important data, equipped with a hard drive that’s frequently wiped and refilled from scratch. Without trying to strain your credulity, I will say up front that Psyche’s installation process (and the finished, freshly-installed system) is the best combination of ease and power that I’ve seen yet in any version of Linux to hit my hard drive.” Read Tim’s review at NewsForge. Also, TheRegister hosts a RH review, titled “Red Hat 8.0’s bid for the simple, easy to use Linux desktop”.
Red Hat 8.0: The New Ease and Power Linux Champ
2002-10-08 Red Hat 36 Comments
“The biggest controversy attached to the new version of Red Hat (even leading well-known developer Bernhard “Bero” Rosenkraenzer to resign from the company)”
I dont think its fair to state this as fact, RedHat will never publicly address this due to an ex-employee’s rights but isn’t it possible RedHat didn’t like one of thier employees publicly stating harsh comments towards the company and they say “you can resign or be fired”
I am not stating this as fact either but i’ve seen it happen b4 and just hate only getting one side of the story and making a big deal out of it.
…but not from Bero. It’s a big lie that all Redhat did was change things on the surface. Go to http://mosfet.org to see info on how critical RH’s hacks were.
is it worth it to upgrade from 7.3 ? and compared to gentoo what does everyone think? (It’s between those two for what I’m going to run) ( unless someone has something better)
You’re relying on Mosfet for your anti-RH FUD? Please. Look at the source. He’s not credible at all. How many times have we seen his little rants where he threatens to take his blocks, go home, and not play anymore? Using Mosfet to back up your arguments totally undercuts them.
Nice link now can you point me to the link that explicatly states “no distro has the right to change, and, or modify KDE, thank you for using our open source software”
When I go to certain pages like firestarters sourceforge page I see Chinas flag, UK, germany, etc but no US flag, I am absolutly appalled that I have to click a UK flag to read in English this is a slap in the face!
I know sarcasm tends to have a bad effect but I wanted you to see what some other ppl think when you post comments like that.
Are you kidding? Mosfet didn’t ever try RH 8 and was shown wrong in most points already ages ago. Mosfet is known as a “sensationalist” and even once admitted that he enjoys it, so I wouldn’t take everything he writes for granted just because his name is Mosfet.
If you want to know the truth, don’t just listen to the points of one side. For example I can suggest this excellent writing:
I have yet to hear (or experience) anything that Red Hat did that wasn’t covered by Mike.
Another good idea is to actually try the software you are talking about. Psyche is free to download for everybody.
Make your own decision.
How about putting in a way to edit our own comments for us idiots who forgot to spell correctly
I might add a preview button soon… not sure yet…
I switched from Gentoo to Red Hat 8. I really liked Gentoo but I like RH 8 even more. It got me the same result and more but in a much shorter time and much more conveniently. It even behaves a lot faster, which might be caused by the new gcc and glibc. So you could probably get the same result in Gentoo but you need to know exactly what you are doing. And I was simply too lazy to recompile my whole system to switch to GCC 3.2.
Red Hat also did a lot of polishing to the desktop (especially the GNOME desktop of course) which would be a pain to do manually. Same goes for the awesome font rendering.
The two reviews really make me wonder. In the first one, the guy only downloads two ISO’s and, despite saying it was his fault, still complains about a standard install not being on one. Then he says he accidentally installed it :::shaking head:::
The second guy decided to wipe his ThinkPad and discovered it was already wiped. And then seems to go off somewhere not looking at the install screens for ethernet, etc. and complains about that.
I don’t know about you but, despite the fact that I do a lot of installs, I take installing an OS very seriously. These guys sound like goofballs who are just screwing around and don’t even pay attention to what they’re doing.
Also, one said he hadn’t seen an XP screen in months, but thought that Bluecurve has about the same interface. Actually, Bluecurve has a softer look than XP (and I like XP). XP uses bolder, sharper colors.
>I switched from Gentoo to Red Hat 8
Now Spark, that was a surprise. 😉
When I was writing all that stuff about how boring all these recompilations for Gentoo are, people were whining for saying that. Now, people seem to like Red Hat 8.
I actually, I quite kinda like SuSE as well, I can’t make up my mind which one I like best.
I noticed on the SuSE FTP site that they already have a directory for 8.1 … in the README it says to expect the FTP install to be available some time in the “3rd week” of October.
That will be great. Anyone else remember having to wait for MONTHS (well, more than one anyway) for the FTP version to be released?
If only my printer was supported, I might actually buy it … or maybe I should just buy a new printer. Of course, I’m infatuated with Red Hat 8.0 now. Just downloaded an XFT-enabled Mozilla and, WOW. It’s very beautiful.
I also switched from Gentoo to Red Hat and I love it. Gentoo is great, and if I learned a whole lot about my system – but I didn’t want to upgrade to gcc 3.2.
I have nothing at all bad to say about Gentoo. With Gentoo, everything just works. The ebuild system is great, and I never had trouble getting any applications running.
A few days ago I downloaded all 5 8.0 ISOs, wiped RH 7.3, and installed
8.0 on 2 machines. As of 2:00 am today, both machines are back to running
7.3. Despite the great looking desktop, fonts, new RH tools, etc., 8.0
is, well, an x.0 release and you can tell. On one of my machines, for no
apparent reason, the nice new Package Manager (redhat-config-packages)
starting crashing with several errors in a numnber of the Python files
(Mainwindow.py, comps.py, etc). I couldn’t figure out. It didn’t happen
on the other machine and I didn’t do anything that could have caused it
that I can think of. I hadn’t really done much of anything yet. On my
other machine, I had installed the newest NVIDIA drivers (3123) for my
GeForce2 MX 400. Things were working fine but all of a sudden graphics
started running verrry slowly. I tried Tuxracer, xscreensaver, etc.
OpenGL and non-OpenGL graphics were all running at the same slow speed!
I doubled checked the XFree86 config file and log and didn’t not see one
single problem. I checked other logs and nothing. I was stumped. This
happened not more than an hour or 2 after installing the drivers. I
checked all my other OSen on the box (BeOS, Win2K, OS/2 Warp 4) and they
all seemed fine.
Anyway, I re-installed 7.3 and it feels so much more stable (of course).
I’m glad I used CD-RWs. I think I’ll be waiting for 8.2 or 8.3 before
I upgrade if I decide on RH again. Got APT for RH 7.3 after reading that
other article and now I don’t know how I got by without it before.
My personal take…
Well I have been running RedHat (null) for quite some time and then grabbed a copy from the campus servers (about 10 min a cd =). Anyway, everything works great. One thing I would suggest everyone do is get Mozilla-xft!!! It is unbelieveably beautiful. URL: ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/experime ntal/xft/
VMWare is having some problems under RedHat 8. With a WinXP guest, on reboots and power downs, disk shrinkings the VMWare windows returns: (VMX) AIO:NOT_IMPLEMENTED F(831):654. Some have suggested that is could be a problem with the fact there is a new glibc, but I don’t know. Any ideas?
I installed my TV Tuner card and it works great, Crossover Office and Plugin work brilliantly. I have Quicktime, AIM, Office2k, Quicken all installed with Crossover. My PHP-Nuke website is up and running as fast as ever. I built the NTFS modules and can seamlessly read my NTFS disks. SAMBA is sharing hard drives and a printer for the entire network. I installed all the fonts from windows into ~/.fonts. OOPadmin loaded them perfectly for use in OO.o. SHockwave, flash and java work great. I also installed the XMMS-MP3 plugin, Adobe Acrobat Reader, APT-GET RPM, SynAPTic, OGLE and XINE.
My complaints are the VMWARE problem and also the problem of trying to import my entire Outlook .PST folder file. All the methods shown on the web don’t really work since my folder file is roughly 370 megs (yes it all text e-mail) so I can’t use Evolution as my primary e-mail/calender app. Other problem is that my Microsoft Natural Keyboard pro “internet” and “media” keys don’t work regardless of how much I play with Lineak however xev can see the keys being pressed. I can’t get my Matrox G400 max to use my second monitor for some odd reason. I’ll look into it though. Last issue is my Logitech Clicksmart 310 USB digital cam / webcam doesn’t have any drivers written for it. Any help in that area would be appreciated. My APC UPS doesn’t seem to like the RPMS for Powerchute so I don’t have that running yet.
RedHat needs to work on their menu system since I can never find the right config app on the first try. It takes a bit getting used to it. I also wish there was a quick tool I could use to duplicate desktop setups from one default profile over to every other use on the system.
System specs: Dual Pentium3 500 w/ 512 megs ram, Ultra2 Wide SCSI 10k RPM cheetah drives (total disk space 200+ GB).
Gnome-panel started crashing for no reason and I didn’t have room to install KDE… oh well, it looked nice and worked great. If I install another Linux it will be off my SuSE 8.0 Personal CDs..
My only beef with Gentoo was that I felt like I spent more time compilining applications than using the OS. I was shocked though to discover that RH8 was JUST AS FAST as Gentoo on my notebook. FYI, you can emerge bluecurve though I don’t think it did RH’s desktop justice.
Guys, mosfet is a big baby. He’s whining only because he can. Anyone that wants to can get the source rpms and pass the changes on to the KDE team. The changes are MINOR, no big deal. They have changed 1/10th the amount of code that Lycoris or Xandros have changed, yet they are constantly flamed for it. IMHO they are all acting like spoiled little brats. No wonder people complain about linux people, unfortunately we are all assumed to have this sort of elitist mentality.
” Gnome-panel started crashing for no reason and I didn’t have room to install KDE… oh well, it looked nice and worked great. If I install another Linux it will be off my SuSE 8.0 Personal CDs..”
(You will lose all custom gnome settings, but it should help)
Hit control-alt-backspace to kill X, then hit control-alt-f1 then log in as your user, type: mkdir gnome_backup; mv .g* gnome_backup, then hit control-alt-f7 and log back into gnome and you with be back to defaults.
The installation of rh8 is pretty, big colours, and asks the same questions as most of the other distros. Maybe it is the easiest to install DedRat ever. But, there are many other distros that ask you basic questions (what screen, mouse, where u want to put it, network card, “finish”) and you end up with a fully-functional system.
You can even play games while you watch them install…
I installed Psyche the day after it was released, and found it to be coming along nicely. Much as I like their Gnome setup, I began to feel unproductive without KDE, so I changed desktops. That felt better, although I had to tweak it to make it behave. For awhile, I felt at home and didn’t even realize I wasn’t on FreeBSD, until I went to install a port, and the ports collection wasn’t there! So, I was liking it pretty well in general.
I’m using the lovely Grub bootloader, and I have it configured to boot to FreeBSD by default, so imagine my surprise when I got up in the morning to find FreeBSD running! I haven’t booted into Redhat since. I don’t know what the problem was, but I find it totally unacceptible for a release version to behave that way. Maybe in a year or two I’ll look at Redhat again and see how they’re progressing.
I’m still debating on whether I should just go back to RedHat 7.3, it’s a painful to think about it. RedHat 8 brought me the thing I wanted most, speed, but in a costly battle of usability. It’s beautiful, setup really nicely but like someone already said you can tell it’s a .0 version. I have many problems with programs just not running at all, to the system acting really werid and needing a reboot, such as the screen saver starting every second unless I move the mouse around? Other things, Gnome didn’t seem to have any options such has allowing a window to be maximized over a panel. I didn’t see remember window position, and you can’t edit your menu. I also loved the package manager but what if you want to install a 3rd part software? Well you can install it but you will have to uninstall it from rpm command which I just don’t want to do. Other problems are my Monitor couldn’t be probed but was on RedHat 7.3. It did have it on the list so I picked it and the display worked. It forced me to run at 75 hertz which is was RedHat 7.3 did but I can’t run at 75 hertz with my monitor or it doesn’t fit the monitor good even if I change my monitor settings. So I edited my Xconfig file the same way I did in RedHat 7.3 but nothing, then I finally figured out to delete dpms part which made it work. Then I installed the nvidia driver which made me run at 1024 so then I deleted out 1024 and all other resolutions but 1154, but that did nothing but crash my display. So I had to take out my modline to force me to run at 70 hertz. So long story short I’m running at 1154 75 hertz but I have about a half inch of black around my monitor but I can’t do anything about it.
Then I installed it on my laptop, which I did a network install since my laptop did not come with the swapable cdrom drive (Dell Latitude CPi). I was surprised to see it ran even faster on my laptop. But if I wanted to install any extra software from Add and Remove Packages, it would ask me for a CD but I installed remotely so what cd? Next my sound never worked but it did detect my sound as NeoMagic 256x. And I got my web cam to work once or twice but not all the time. So I never got my sound to work… and camera didn’t work well when it did work. And I couldn’t add software unless moving over packages with Samba then installing them, then of course if there is a dependence, have to then move that over, and so on.
So I’m stuck with should I install FreeBSD on my computer instead, or Mandrake, or what? I had a hard time with FreeBSD, and uninstalling stuff if it had a dependency even if I say to uninstall both of them. Mandrake I had a hard time knowing what to install because I like to make my install as minimual as possible. But when I did that I found out my system was either unstable or didn’t work right or something. Which I had the same problem in RedHat 7.3, but in RedHat 8 it was easy to pick and choice stuff to make sure I only get stuff I want.
A friend said maybe I should just install Debian base only then do an apt gnome install then start from there and install things I only use piece by piece. Oh another thing StarOffice 6 crashed every other time in RedHat 7.3 but in RedHat 8 OpenOffice seems to work perfectly.
1. first set up new user
then as root
for the profile you want to copy
cp -rp .gnome* .gconf* /etc/skel_gnome
cp -rp /etc/skel_gnome/* <new users home dir>/
chown -R new user <new users home dir>/*
chgrp -R new user <new users home dir>/*
Are you using the metal theme – it has issues – if you are try changing the widget theme
Eugenia, it is hard to choose. Suse’s new look is really nice too and makes it hard to decide.
I don’t understand all the extremes of different experiences with Red Hat 8. If it installs and runs flawlessly on my Wal-Mart Microtel, that should be the acid test <g>.
RJW, I don’t understand your post. If you had grub configured to boot FreeBSD by default, why would it be surprising that it would start up with FreeBSD? Why does that make Red Hat unacceptable? I’m confused
I’m long time Linux user and SysAdm. I’ve held out converting my desktop 100% to Linux because wasted so much time Admin’ing my OWN desktop box!
No more. My new RH8.0 box has me a 100% Linux Desktop that “just works”.
I’m free to work on my servers – without worrying about my desktop.
It’s still not for JoeAttentionDeficitWith64MBram – but it soon will be.
Ahhh, Mosfet, Mosfet, Mosfet.
Completely OT below, to read this message, you probably have to see in the Moderated Post link 🙂
The issue is they also made several changes to the KDE libraries and programs, some of which cause breakage, incompatibilities, or reduce functionality.
ALL, I repeat ALL of the changes made to KDE libraries, except ONE, was to increase functionality, many of the changes was to comply with Free Deskstop drafts (most of which started by RH themselves).
What about the one changes that didn’t make sense? The renaming of .desktop files used for KDE startup. RH now consider this a bug, and would fix this in the next release. Why not in 8.0? Because by time RH found out about this, there was already a freeze on the product.
The other problem is switching the default applications for things like the web browser and email client from their KDE implementations to Gnome apps while using the KDE desktop.
Mozilla uses GTK+ for its backend, but it doesn’t make it a GNOME app (never would it be, BTW). It was choosen because it was pretty much the best damn browser on Linux, with the best support ofr web pages. Red Hat isn’t here to applease KDE users, but rather customers that previously used Windows or Mac OS.
Then the other app she mentions is OpenOffice.org. They don’t even have any GTK+ code AT ALL. While for a time being was a GNOME Office app, it is no longer so because it doesn’t support GNOME Office standards (especially Bonobo). Besides, OOo is the best office suite for Linux, and like Mozilla, they aren’t here to applease KDE users, btu rather ex-Windows and ex-Mac users. OOo after all have one of the best Office compatiblity.
Evolution is the ONLY app made default in KDE that is a GNOME app. And why, it is simply the best PIM/Mail application currently available.
Now, Mosfet failed to understand that for KDE users, it is trivial to replace KDE apps as the defaults. For consumers, it is harder to place more better apps as the defaults.
Of course it is okay to integrate Gnome apps into KDE and vice-versa, but by making non-native applications default within the KDE environment they are crippling KDE.
Then why are you, and other KDE developers are the ONLY ones whining about it? GNOME developers too have every reason to whine and mourn. After all, 2/3 of the apps made default aren’t GNOME-native apps.
The argument for this that “we only want to support one version of these applications”. Okay, but then why are you shipping KDE if you only want to support GTK/Gnome applications?
And that’s the reason why I think she/he is making false claims. Only 1/3 of the non-native apps made default in KDE is GNOME or GTK+ apps.
Let’s face it: Gnome people would have an absolute fit if some distribution replaced Mozilla and Evolution with Konqueror and KMail in their Gnome desktop, but people seem to think it’s okay to do the same thing to KDE.
The problem is that GNOME also have its apps replaced by non-native apps. If Red Hat made Galeon (a much better browser than Konqueror, anyway) and GNOME Office default, I would also agree with you.
I’m sure GNOME developers wouldn’t bash RH if the apps made default are better (much better) than theirs, even if it is KDE apps.
Remember that most free software is done by volunteers in their spare time.
True, true. But I never saw KDE developers start to bash guys like Xandros or Lycoris who have done more changes to KDE than RH. Why? RH is more commercialized.
People who use KDE because it is KDE would always use KDE. New people to KDE don’t give a shit about what RH have done to KDE, as long it is for the better. And by golly, it is for the better.
Many of you know I’ve been getting frustrated with Linux for some time, and RedHat breaking KDE has been the last straw.
So you are leaving Linux because of this? Really? Read on.
Tons of email, lots of disrespect, and very little in return.
You are a great coder. What you have done with Pixie and Liquid is amazing. But also, you are one of the most childish adult I have met with. Someone who is self centred.
But hey, this isn’t the reason why Mosfet is leaving Linux. Read on.
I am not currently working on Linux anymore and probably won’t return unless I was able to support myself working on it
So you are trying to justify moving to Windows because of Red Hat when the real issue isn’t this. Why, if this was an issue, she/he (I’m still confuse about his/her gender) can move to anothe distribution.
In fact, if weren’t for his childish atitude, he would still be a Mandrake employee. He was fired first during the layoffs because he was more interested in dancing than work. And I’m quite sure many Mandrake developers don’t really dancy Mosfet’s atitude.
But then again, he could have made a living off Linux and Windows. She could have started a shareware company selling PixiePlus, and for sure, I know I would buy a copy.
Yeah, he is a great code, but lacks inter-personal skills.
Gumby: is it worth it to upgrade from 7.3 ? and compared to gentoo what does everyone think? (It’s between those two for what I’m going to run) ( unless someone has something better)
Compared to 7.3, it is way less stable (hey, it is a x.0!). But if stability isn’t an issue, and the ease of use and well bragging righs (“Hey, Mac use, look at my screen…. now that’s what I call a beauty”).
I would suggest you stick with 7.3 until 8.1. As for Gentoo, it is apples and oranges, no use comparing.
Eugenia: I actually, I quite kinda like SuSE as well, I can’t make up my mind which one I like best.
While I haven’t tried SuSE 8.1, the font rendering in Red Hat and Bluecurve is good enough for me to use Red Hat. Configuration tools come second, though it would be nice in RH 8.1 to come with something like YaST…
Though the new looks of SuSE really is hard to beat….
RJW: I’m using the lovely Grub bootloader, and I have it configured to boot to FreeBSD by default, so imagine my surprise when I got up in the morning to find FreeBSD running! I haven’t booted into Redhat since.
I’m sorry, but I couldn’t get any information out of this. Is this good? Is this bad? What did you expect? That even though it was suppose to boot FreeBSD by default, it would boot RH? Or what? Or were you just supprise the comp was on with FreeBSD?
I’m sorry, you didn’t made a good point there…
Since FreeBSD is your default in grub, what probably happened is that your machine rebooted and automatically booted into FreeBSD.
Simple and straight forward.
Hmm I thought it was obvious that what he meant was that Red Hat must have crashed and rebooted the computer overnight.
But I can really hardly accept this as RH criticism especially as I never heard of a problem like this. Power outage or hardware error (overheating) could be just as likely. Of course if it would happen constantly with RH, there might be a problem. But as he said he didn’t reboot into RH anymore…
“she/he (I’m still confuse about his/her gender)”
I’m not sure if you are joking here, but if memory doesn’t trick me, he is a male who likes to disguise as a woman. There was some information and pictures about this on his old website. His pictures always showed him as a woman, I guess that’s why some people are confused. I remember one of the first things I read on this website was a statement that he was indeed a male.
That clears up a lot of things about Mosfet… so he’s gay or something? (no offence to gays)
Well today I received my Red Hat 8.0 Box, off the mail. When I opened and put the 5 cd’s on my storage folder, I noticed the one reason I wouldn’t be able to install it on my server.
Installation Disk 1 of 3, was broken on the edge, and no matter how much I tried, it wouldn’t boot up. Also they over charged the shipping.
So I digged into the phone and called Red Hat customer service which after a myriad of options and waiting 45 minutes, my call is answered:
“Hello thanks for calling Redhat Customer Support, my name is Ryan, how can I help you…?”
-Hello Ryan, this is Gilberto, I am calling because I just received my RH 8.0 and Disk 1 of the installation CD’s is broken.
“Well that is weird, no problem just give me your info and we will have CD 1 on the way…”
So I gave the guy my info, then I ask:
-Ryan, by when do you think I could have that CD over here?
“That sir I don’t know”
-You don’t know when my CD will be sent over or when it will arrive?
“No sir I don’t…”
-Couldn’t you find out?
“No sir we don’t have that information…”
-Can you tell me if you will ship it overnight?
“We can ship it overnight at a cost of $41.95”
-Ok whatever… About the over charge in shipping…
In short the guy couldn’t tell me why they had over billed shippoing when their website says $25.95, UPS Priority Overnight AM, then the package is delivered with a $5.75 postage from US Postal Service.
Ryan couldn’t explain that either… :/
I know this is way out of topic, but you guys get to rant all day of why KDE didn’t do this, or Gnome did that, or how slow RH 8 is on your p4 gfmx… mostly rh this or that.. I figured it would be ok to rant on Customer Support since it sucks.
Then other people blame MS..
I have seen you all say how RH 8.0 sucks because of many things including it’s an x.0 release. But most of these complaints I see them on the desktop issue.
I on the other hand run a webserver with php, mysql and other services (such as qmail, etc.) for web application coding I do.
How do you guys compare RH 7.3 to 8.0 server wise… forget the desktop.. the innards is what I care…
What do you think??? I went 8.0 because my 7.3 cd’s got stolen. I rather thought of having decent cd’s and got rh 8 instead…
So what do you think??
I could have worded my post more clearly. I meant that I went to bed running Redhat and woke up running FreeBSD. Which means that Redhat crashed. It was not due to a power outage. It could be a hardware failure, but I haven’t had it happen while running anything else. Unless I find that my hardware is going bad and I start to see this behavior under FreeBSD or Windows as well, I’m going to assume this is a Redhat problem, and I’m not going to feel that it’s a very reliable system.
“I could have worded my post more clearly. I meant that I went to bed running Redhat and woke up running FreeBSD. Which means that Redhat crashed.”
I have never seen Linux “reboot” itself unless it has had a physical hardware problem. (I’ve been working with Linux for 7 years, on HUNDREDS of servers, laptops, and desktops) Try running a memory test, and other diagnostics on your machine. http://www.memtest86.com/ Don’t be so quick to blame an OS, you may very well have had a power spike, or have a hardware problem.
Well finally! I managed to snatch an ISO of the first CD while I wait for my original to arrive.
I am going to write down what has been my perspective as a normal linux admin.. I just run one server on a simple p3 machine. Sure most of you guys are great hackers in linux or other networking plots, but I am just running a server for myself.
The first thing that happened as I popped the iso in, was that RH checked itself to see if the ISO was stable or not.
Then the graphical installation went on and I picked a server installation. I went through all the modules and clicked on what I needed. I really liked how it showed me what it was installing in the different modules and it actually told me what each option was for. So I” made my picks and continued on. One thing I didn’t like was that it didn’t tell me what version they were. Like when I checked for Apache, it only said apache… didn’t say if it was version 1.3 or 2.0. The same with MySQL. It didn’t show where to pick php, qmail or other options, but I founbd them later when I picked for the contents of the modules.
The rest of the install went smooth. I later started to configure my server with my custom options and went in smoothly without a problem. It has been up for 24 hours straight. I still need to configure several other things, but I think that by monday I can colocate it back at the server farm.
One thing I would like to add is that I find it odd that red hat or other distro’s have not made a move to the maker of Webmin, to include this great tool as part of the distributions.
Otherwise this installation went well. I am not going to miss any desktop issues since I use this linux just for serving… but for what I need I like it very much.
Hope this helps a few people see that rh is not a total piece of fecal matter, like other people think it is.