Steve Jobs just announced in his Macworld Keynote that Apple is releasing its own browser, called Safari. Its claim to fame is extremely fast performance on the Mac. The Mac platform has struggled from sluggish browser performance with IE (the old default browser). Update: According to Jobs, Safari is open source and based on khtml. It only runs on Mac OS X and will be available for download today.
It does seem fast for some reason. Interface is clean and has that google toolbar.. I’m sure I’ll need Mozilla for some web pages, but this’ll ween me further away from IE.
I’m under the impression that Apple chose KHTML because adding such a big corporate support to gecko (i.e. Netscape-AOL’s strategy) would have pissed off MS and wouldn’t have made much sense also to keep apple independent. KHTML seems a relatively well-developed third party player that, added benefit, doesn’t intend to compete openly with MS.
Now, the question I’m asking myself is if this KHTML option had something to do with opendarwin.org having a special KDE project… Signal of a tighter integration of MacOSX with the X11 world?
I’m sorry, I’m not a geek, all this may not make any sense from a techno p[oint of view…
I was waiting for Steve Jobs to develop something to replace the horrible excuse of a internet browser, Internet Explorer. I don’t know what Microsoft was thinking when designing and programming IE, but the Apple version was bad. I could never get a page to load correctly at all, it would always push text off the page, and load images where it wanted within the page.
I just loaded Safari, and thus far I love it. I’m inches away from totally deleting IE off my powerbook. But Safari is only a beta, so better be careful. Anyway, this browser has the best of Netscape, Microsoft, and Opera pushed all into one amazing piece of software. Much better then any linux browser I’ve worked with. I am very greatful Apple made this move. Even if they charge for this software, it is well worth the money!
Lets all hope that this doesnt go the way of Cyberdog (dead). Cyberdog was superior to other browsers but Apple someone canned it. The introduction of Safari makes it more compelling to by a Mac.
Don’t worry about that, Fed – Cyberdog was a casualty of OpenDoc.
Signal of a tighter integration of MacOSX with the X11 world?
Apple has also just released X11 for Mac, so Linux programs should run without too much trouble. I can’t find the official link, but heres something:
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0301/07.x11.php
About the browser, looks good, but I’m not a Mac user (But with all the news I’ve recieved today I must say that I’m entinced). I think it’s good that they’ve used KHTML, even though I personally prefer gecko. This way there will be more competition, not only in front ends (Mozilla, Netscape, Phoenix, Galeon etc.), but also in the actual rendering of the page.
And if all the Mac users stop using IE, web designers might wake up and realize that they need to make standards compliant web pages. They seem to ignore complaints from Linux users, but Linux and Mac users combined?
Any compitition that MS has in the browser market is a good thing. Hopefully this will usher in an era of W3C HTML complant websites, I hope MSHTML gets eradicated from this planet.
A buddy of mine talked to one of the developer of the Opera browser. He said that 10% of the time goes to follow the standard and the rest 90% goes to follow Microsofts Standard.
I don’t care what render engine they use. Safari does pages that Chimera couldn’t do. It had troubles with the åäö that the Swedish language have. Well, I like it, then I’ll use it.
Can Safari emulate MSIE for compatibility purposes? I find a lot of sites don’t like Opera when set to identify as such – although ID’ing as MSIE5 gets by just fine.
For example, signing into eBay with a Passport.. yes I know I should know better! – doesnt work with Opera 6 unless I set ID as MSIE
Any compitition that MS has in the browser market is a good thing. Hopefully this will usher in an era of W3C HTML complant websites, I hope MSHTML gets eradicated from this planet.
They seem to ignore complaints from Linux users, but Linux and Mac users combined?
What? Statistically nobody uses Macs at all, ditto for Konqueror. Microsoft has the browser market locked down completely, Mozilla has been better than IE for quite some time now, but at the end of the day most people don’t care enough about the browser to bother replacing it.
In terms of web standards, this announcement means nothing.
Firstly, having look at the change log, there has been a boat load of changes/additions given back to the community.
Perhaps, but Jordan Hubbard himself said there had been only a few minor patches and some test suites contributed back. Ironically, KHTML is probably going to end up getting far more important and useful contributions back than FreeBSD.
I assume the only part that is proprietary is the interface, which, in the grand scheme of things isn’t really the most sexiest piece of code on the planet.
No disrespect, but you should learn more about the internals. It’s practically all proprietary. No, not just Aqua, huge amounts of system code too:
– Quartz
– Aqua
– CoreAudio
– IOKit
– API Services
– GUI applets (menu bar/dock/control panel etc)
OS X is a proprietary platform. I don’t understand why some people persist in thinking it’s open source.
As for the accusations that Apple is proprietary. Who cares?
Er, me? Have we really learnt sod all from the last decade? Jobs would turn into the next Gates in the blink of an eye if we let him, probably worse, at least Gates doesn’t have an ego the size of a house. Not that it matters what I think, the economy cares – proprietary tends to lose, quality regardless (vhs vs betamax, pc vs mac etc).
As for buying “quality PC’s”, you do a comparison and Apple only comes out $50 more expensive
I suggest you study their hardware margins, and the margins of their PC counterparts. Macs are overpriced, nobody can deny that. Yes, even the iMac. No, arbitrarily saying an iMac processor is equivalent to a 1.5ghz pentium or whatever does not make them cost equivalent unless all you do is run 2 photoshop plugins all day, over and over.
As for the reason why Apples aren’t in the majority. People are sheep.
We have left reality completely, and are now in the realm of total fantasy. Apple aren’t in the majority because they have a business model that doesn’t let them be in the majority. Their customers seem to be mostly made up of people who have convinced themselves they are paying over the odds for an exclusive quality piece of kit, or something. That’s arguable. What isn’t really arguable is that Apple market themselves as the Rolls Royce of computing meaning they are forever destined to be a minority platform. Apple once had 40% market share yes? Something like that. Ponder the reasons why today it’s more like 0.4% (for macos x).
Tks for all the help… =]
Actually I know that shotcut too… Actually it’s CMD+~, in US keyboard the ~ is with `, usually before the “1/!” key… but here in my brazilian keyboard it’s near the enter key… and changing to international keymap it goes to a weird key near the left shift… damn weird keyboard layout from Apple Brazil… =]
I used this shortcut a lot in the college’s Macs… but here and also with new college’s macs this weird keyboard layout makes it a bit less usefull… But I still using it with IE, I just don’t use it at all anymore, just for a few sites, for compatibily measures…
Too bad that Safari doesn’t have yet any shotcut at all for window switching… = Anyone knows if I can do that in AppleScript or something similar? =]
Just like any other Mac OS X application, JReZIN, to switch between open windows in Sufari, you press Apple-~. Apple and the key above your Tab key. In all OS X compliant programs, this will shuffle you between open windows. That’s how you swap windows in Sufari. It’s a basic OS X UI feature.
>> I bought a notebook with a 15′ screen 1450×1050 almost a year ago for less than the 12′ PowerBook and it have far more features and CPU speed than either of the new models. Almost a year ago… heh, time flies
>It had a slot-loading DVD burner in it? 802.11g? Bluetooth? An equivalent graphics card? Illuminated keyboard? Firewire 800? No?
>Oh, you meant, *roughly*, *kind of* equivalent, as most people do when comparing Yugos to BMWs or PCs to Macs.
No it doesn’t have illuminated keyboard Question? is the signs on the keys illuminated also because just illuminating the edges of the keys is not helpful (missed that part of the presentation). No it doesn’t have an DVD burner inside but then again so doesn’t the 12″ PowerBook in standard edition either. You have to pay extra for that and then the 12″ PowerBook is way more expensive than my notebook. AND my notebook have a 15″ screen which is worth way more than a superdrive. Why? Cos I can buy an external DVD burner but upgrading the screen is harder while still remaining mobile. An my notebook cost $1799 a year ago and you get an even more powerful solution today for the same money or the same config for far less.
FireWire 800? No that wasn’t available a year ago… even on the PowerBooks then. Bluetooth was also not available builtin either on PowerBooks or PCs. I bought a USB-Bluetooth thingy instead which doesn’t use any power unless plugged in. Not a big gripe.
Have you even looked at the placement of the keyboard on the PowerBook. You have to have your hands right up to the screen when typing and the keyboard size is smaller than on my notebook which I think is bad. The keyboards on notebooks are small the way they are anyway.
> >new airport faster speed.
> ever head of 802.11a? that’s what some of us have been using for quite some time. same thing. “fantastic innit?!”
>You really have to read more. 802.11a is NOT compatible
>with 802.11b, which means that the speed is the same,
>but the usability — and a laptop will be ported around
>to places where there are only 802.11b hubs — is not
>nearly the same as Apple’s move to 802.11g.
>(Not to mention, you could’ve gotten an 802.11a PC card
>for a Mac a long time ago, just as you did for your PC.)
I never said it was compatible. What I meant was that it has the same speed. And FYI my notebook is dually 802.11b AS WELL AS 802.11a. And what’s the point with the builtin 802.11b if you’re gonna put out extra for an PC Card to get 802.11a?
Oh forgot to add that my notebook have ATI Radeon 7500 for graphics and the same model today have ATI Radeon 9000 which is more powerful than the Geforce 420. The Geforce4Go wasn’t available a year ago either.
“And FYI my notebook is dually 802.11b AS WELL AS 802.11a.”
Your laptop came with built-in b and a tech? What model was that, cuz I sure as heck have never seen it.
Been using Safari for the last half hour. It’s pretty nice. The only two comments I have is the switch between bookmarks panel and browser panel was a bit confusing at first and the up and down arrows on the scrollbars needs to jump by a bit more. Otherwise, I like it.
geoff
> Perhaps, but Jordan Hubbard himself said there had been only a few
> minor patches and some test suites contributed back. Ironically, KHTML is
> probably going to end up getting far more important and useful
> contributions back than FreeBSD.
Yes, that’s the advantage of the (L)GPL. BSD-licenses are more business friendly, but they don’t require companies to contribute back. And depending on what you do with the code, it can even cost a lot of time/money to contribute code back, at least if you don’t want to disclose your additions.
BTW khtml hackers are already porting patches from Safari to khtml.
I’ve read many comments on here about how much Apple sucks and they really don’t give back to the open source community, and they refuse to open up their some their software (quartz extreme, quicktime, etc…)
Man, it sounds like you guys are never satisfied. Of course Apple isn’t going to open up a lot of their technologies..they are in the business of making money. They have to keep somethings to themselves to keep a competitive advantage.
Also, Apple will never port quicktime. The GPL gets in the way. Remember a lot of Quicktime is licsensed software (MPEG-4) that Apple pays the royalities for. If Red Hat wants to pay the royalties and develop their own stnadard then fine.
new browswer big deal. i would rate apple’s stock as a sell
[Mike Hearn]
>Any compitition that MS has in the browser market is a good >thing. Hopefully this will usher in an era of W3C HTML >complant websites, I hope MSHTML gets eradicated from this >planet.
>They seem to ignore complaints from Linux users, but Linux >and Mac users combined?
“What? Statistically nobody uses Macs at all, ditto for Konqueror. Microsoft has the browser market locked down completely, Mozilla has been better than IE for quite some time now, but at the end of the day most people don’t care enough about the browser to bother replacing it.
In terms of web standards, this announcement means nothing.”
But they don’t have the *server* “locked down”. A VERY important fact. Standards would have disappeared long ago, otherwise. This anouncement reenforces the other side of the standards equation.
[Blackthought]
Repeat after me, Sorenson. That’s ALL. And no the GPL doesn’t get in the way. Your being disingenious here.
Two things. Plugins, and “other licenses”.
Gawd, the metalic browsers. Isn’t iLife enough? If I was to use the Mac, I would take that KHTML source and write my very own front end because as the most used app, I wouldn’t want metallic browsers.
But I’m really interested in those PowerBooks…
appleforever: Apple is rocking again, and again, and again. By the way, the keynote:
Apple made a front end and improved KHTML, while made a presentation software. how hard is that>
appleforever: browser that has an awesome interface (except no tabs) and speed.
Awesome? Well, maybe for you. But I notice they don’t have a benchmark against Opera itself..
appleforever: Also, a 17 incher. Firewire 2 on that one.
Yes, I can just count the amount of times I needed Firewire 2 and needed to buy a PMCIA card for my laptop… not.
appleforever: When will people just give up and give Apple’s it’s due.
When will Mac zealots just give up and give PC’s it’s due?
appleforever: Guess what, quality and innovation costs money.
Well, I would detest on quality. It is put together by the same people then put together PCs in Taiwan. But innovation – people don’t want that, they want things that can improve their life.
Devon: KHTML based. You must be kidding Jobs.
What is soooo bad with KHTML?
Gawd, the metalic browsers. Isn’t iLife enough? If I was to use the Mac, I would take that KHTML source and write my very own front end because as the most used app, I wouldn’t want metallic browsers.
But I’m really interested in those PowerBooks…
appleforever: Apple is rocking again, and again, and again. By the way, the keynote:
Apple made a front end and improved KHTML, while made a presentation software. how hard is that>
appleforever: browser that has an awesome interface (except no tabs) and speed.
Awesome? Well, maybe for you. But I notice they don’t have a benchmark against Opera itself..
appleforever: Also, a 17 incher. Firewire 2 on that one.
Yes, I can just count the amount of times I needed Firewire 2 and needed to buy a PMCIA card for my laptop… not.
appleforever: When will people just give up and give Apple’s it’s due.
When will Mac zealots just give up and give PC’s it’s due?
appleforever: Guess what, quality and innovation costs money.
Well, I would detest on quality. It is put together by the same people then put together PCs in Taiwan. But innovation – people don’t want that, they want things that can improve their life.
Devon: KHTML based. You must be kidding Jobs.
What is soooo bad with KHTML?
Any compitition that MS has in the browser market is a good thing. Hopefully this will usher in an era of W3C HTML complant websites, I hope MSHTML gets eradicated from this planet.
Actaully, for a long long time, IE was the most compliant browser. Now, they haven’t updated MSHTML for a couple of years already, except for minor features. Maybe IE 7.0 would herald a big change, *if* it is released.
However, you must realize that MSHTML is based on Mosaic. At some point of its life, it is bound to face the problems Netscape had with its Mosaic-based rendering engine. Maybe Microsoft is rewriting… who knows?
Gawd, the metalic browsers. Isn’t iLife enough? If I was to use the Mac, I would take that KHTML source and write my very own front end because as the most used app, I wouldn’t want metallic browsers.
I tried Safari without the texturing, and it was good. If you have project builder you can change it yourself, otherwise just ask and I can send you the modified file (< 24K).
Apple made a front end and improved KHTML, while made a presentation software. how hard is that
Other than the front end they are something no one on *nix has done. 😉
I wish Apple had Open Sourced their PP import/export code, but they didn’t. I am hoping they did a good job with their file format which could be a much greater gift. Hopefully some Free projects will see fit to support Apple’s new open file format, and maybe even adopt it as their native format. Of course my fear is that this file format could be as poorly designed as I hear OO’s is.
Awesome? Well, maybe for you. But I notice they don’t have a benchmark against Opera itself..
Yep. Or OmniWeb. And they didn’t optimally configure Chimera . Safari wins in Back/Forward speed, hands down, but over a 56K line it is no great performer in fetch speed. Pipelining and maybe a few other tweaks might hit it by the true 1.0, but I’m not too hopeful as Apple’s support for modem users is nearly as bad a *nix’s.
When will Mac zealots just give up and give PC’s it’s due?
Show me a PC and I will give it its due. The question is far to broad.
But innovation – people don’t want that, they want things that can improve their life.
And MicroSoft doesn’t give them either. =D
What is soooo bad with KHTML?
Don’t know. Maybe its small size? Maybe its LGPL which forces Apple to only release changes to it and not their entire code base? Maybe because it is a small project with no other big corporate sponsors to fight?
I’m mildly annoyed that Mozilla doesn’t have another sponsor (except it does since they are paying Hyatt and that allows him to continue developing on Mozilla/Chimera). I’m also mildly annoyed that Apple is supporting KDE rather than GNOME, but it has been pointed out many times that K is more corporate friendly (despite more companies throwing developers at GNOME). But I think this is by far the best choice for Apple, and for those still using Mac OS X’s IE. To me Safari does not seem to be targeted at Mozilla/Chimera/Netscape/OmniWeb/Opera users, just IE. Furthermore, for most IE users it is a better program.
Actually, for a long long time, IE was the most compliant browser. Now, they haven’t updated MSHTML for a couple of years already, except for minor features. Maybe IE 7.0 would herald a big change, *if* it is released.
Yep, and the Mac version(s) actually fix a couple of bugs that MS didn’t see fit to fix on Windows. Even if it is the best, that is no reason to let it be the only.
However, you must realize that MSHTML is based on Mosaic. At some point of its life, it is bound to face the problems Netscape had with its Mosaic-based rendering engine. Maybe Microsoft is rewriting… who knows?
Interesting, although I thought MS did a major rewrite of their rendering engine.
Well, I installed (or downloaded, since there is no installer – good play, Apple!) Safari and I like its speed. Granted, it fails to work on so many pages (yes I know about the Bug button, but when it cannot be reliably reproduced, and it’s a hard crash, reporting things with that button doesn’t offer much hope and is often not possible).
I still have to use IE. Slow and such, but it crashes far far less. Sad. I have yet to use a single piece of open source software that is both stable AND fast. It’s usually one or the other or neither.
Would be nice to see it on BeOS =)
rajan: “When will Mac zealots just give up and give PC’s it’s due?”
Actually, we do it all the time: windows PCs are cheaper, windows PCs are faster, windows PCs have more games, windows PCs have the more unusual software titles (for lack of a better term). there
But we don’t care about the money, the speed is fast enough (and we’ve just had a rough patch here that will be ending), we don’t play games all day and finally, the last one is the only one that really matters – it’s the only downside I can possibly find to the mac. But it has lots of software PC users can only hope for at some date in the future
Linux is a separate issue. I like linux a ton because it, not the mac, is the only hope for dealing with MS the big fat monopoly that makes crud.
I’m not going to say that Apple have no competitive egde. Their userbase obviously bought Apple for some of their own reasons. My point is that you complain about us complaining about Apple, but you complain a lot about PCs and Microsoft.
Besides, I like Linux because of its unique capabilities, not because I hate Microsoft. I don’t hate Microsoft. Albeit if I was running Microsoft, a lot of things would change and those changes would bring in even more profit without pissing off customers..
Besides, I can’t comment on how good Safari is because I haven’t used it. But the fact that it is a brush metal app turns me down almost completely. And if what they say is true that tabs don’t exist on Safari, there is practically nothing to go celebrating for.
Besides, to note, all the software I use have a version for the Mac, and I hardly play games (well, hardly is a understatement…). I use PCs mainly because I can decide how good it is made. What parts should I use. But ultimately for speed.
Even now, I want to get a faster machine.
I tried Safari without the texturing, and it was good. If you have project builder you can change it yourself, otherwise just ask and I can send you the modified file (< 24K).
I don’t have to use Visual Basic to change IE’s look that goes against Windows HI Guidelines, now would I? Out of the box, for something made for consumers, they are better off laying off the brushed metal for ALL their apps. Or put brush metal for EVERYTHING. They have been the biggest proponent of consistency, what’s wrong with this picture?
Other than the front end they are something no one on *nix has done. 😉
Oh really? Things like OpenPresenter and KPresenter don’t exist?
I am hoping they did a good job with their file format which could be a much greater gift.
So at first you say Keynote’s format is good, yet..
Of course my fear is that this file format could be as poorly designed as I hear OO’s is.
… you fear it is not good at all. Besides, OOo’s XML file formats isn’t all that bad. It is at least human-readable. Anyway, I’m against a unified file format. Maybe export and import filters, but that’s it.
Show me a PC and I will give it its due.
Are you saying that you never saw a PC before?
And MicroSoft doesn’t give them either. =D
Actually, Microsoft gives the latter, things that improves people’s life. For example, go to a randomly picked company that uses Windows workstations. Go over to a secretary’s workstation and see how well and fast she uses Office.
So maybe for you Microsoft provides neither, but for many they provide the latter. For some, they provide both.
Maybe its small size?
What’s so bad about that?
Maybe its LGPL which forces Apple to only release changes to it and not their entire code base?
And how this differ from Gecko? Besides, I don’t see this as a bad thing. Linux is definately going to be the second most used OS. While Konqueror, IMHO (there is, obviously, no real numbers) have been growing in popularity and is around No. 2 or 3, so they could benefit from having the same rendering engine as Konqueror.
Plus the fact that KHTML is portable due to Qt.
I’m also mildly annoyed that Apple is supporting KDE rather than GNOME
They support neither. They could have used GtkHtml, but that would be so dumb there isn’t a proper word to call it.
Furthermore, for most IE users it is a better program.
Except for those using OS 9, which IE is really probably their best choice (there are more OS 9 users than OS X). Besides, there is rumours Microsoft would be release IE 6.0. Maybe that would be rather major..
Yep, and the Mac version(s) actually fix a couple of bugs that MS didn’t see fit to fix on Windows.
Well, to point out that IE for Mac uses a rather different rendering engine than IE for Windows. Albeit both are still based on Mosaic.
Interesting, although I thought MS did a major rewrite of their rendering engine.
Well, go to Help > About IE and there is this passage “Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign”
They are supposed pay a certain percentage of royalty to NCSA, but since IE was released as free, guess NCSA didn’t earn anything. But then accroading to all pro-Windows sites, MSN Explorer would be the new IE, and there’s a charge for MSN Explorer, so I guess royalties..
just downloaded and tried safari today and have to say that this browser kicks all others ass right here, period.
I don’t have to use Visual Basic to change IE’s look that goes against Windows HI Guidelines, now would I? Out of the box, for something made for consumers, they are better off laying off the brushed metal for ALL their apps. Or put brush metal for EVERYTHING. They have been the biggest proponent of consistency, what’s wrong with this picture?
As far as I know IE is uncustomizable, aside from displaying a picture behind the toolbars. But anyway, it was just an offer. I can work with the native Aqua, or the textured version. I really don’t care. IMHO Java’s Metal theme is about as good as it gets. The only thing I am protective of is Modern (although Orbit can be nice): I like knowing that my browser will have the same look wherever I am.
Oh really? Things like OpenPresenter and KPresenter don’t exist?
Hadn’t looked at OpenPresenter or KPresenter. KPresenter looks rudimentary and doesn’t seem to have had any activity in the last four months, and I couldn’t find anything on OpenPresentor on OO.org or google.
So at first you say Keynote’s format is good, yet you fear it is not good at all. Besides, OOo’s XML file formats isn’t all that bad. It is at least human-readable. Anyway, I’m against a unified file format. Maybe export and import filters, but that’s it.
I’m saying that I think it is a good thing that Apple is using an open format for Keynote’s files, but I haven’t seen any of its files. I hope they did a good enough job to be worthy of copying.
Not sure what you are refering to as a “unified file format.” Something like MS Office or OOo with mixed WP and spread sheet and more data in one file? If so then I agree with you.
Are you saying that you never saw a PC before?
Alienware’s computers must suck because HP makes sucky computers. Dell’s computers must be small and quiet because I saw this computer with a ATA Flex motherboard and it was so small!
If you want me to make a blanket statement about PCs than I will be going with “PCs suck.” I could say about anything about them and have it be true. How about PCs are cool because they have coper cases (yes, I have seen one): that is really giving them their due.
All I’m saying is it is like asking me my oppinion of matter.
For some, they provide both.
Fair enough.
From my post:
Don’t know. Maybe its small size? Maybe its LGPL which forces Apple to only release changes to it and not their entire code base? Maybe because it is a small project with no other big corporate sponsors to fight?
I hope you realized I was completely joking here. I’m going to take all of your arguments against my arguments as jokes.
Except for those using OS 9, which IE is really probably their best choice (there are more OS 9 users than OS X).
Yeah. Except that Safari isn’t competing for OS 9 users: it is OS X only.
Besides, there is rumours Microsoft would be release IE 6.0. Maybe that would be rather major..
And maybe Safari has helped to spur them on. Safari is here now, IE 6 isn’t (here being relative).
Well, to point out that IE for Mac uses a rather different rendering engine than IE for Windows. Albeit both are still based on Mosaic.
That is about what I thought. OTOH, it is possible that IE is close to a total rewrite now.
They are supposed pay a certain percentage of royalty to NCSA, but since IE was released as free, guess NCSA didn’t earn anything. But then accroading to all pro-Windows sites, MSN Explorer would be the new IE, and there’s a charge for MSN Explorer, so I guess royalties..
Ha! Deal with the devil and you are going to get burned.
“(…) but it has been pointed out many times that K is more corporate friendly (despite more companies throwing developers at GNOME).”
Indeed? Where did who point that out? I’m getting the impression that KDE is pretty much unorganized as a whole and everything is more or less a mixed bag where some small companies participate as well. But as a whole there’s still no common movement or anything I could see to fit calling as “corporate friendly” or any other attribute. Care to enlighten me?
No it is not based on mozilla.
It is a Konqueror from KDE 3.0.2
Now apple must give somthing back to the linux…………………….
Quicktime ???? on linux ….