My husband and I made it back from Europe just last night (after an adventurous trip back) so today I was finally having access to my G4 Cube in order to test Safari, the new Apple browser based on KHTML. I like what I saw on Safari. The browser is simple (I like simplicity) and indeed loads the web pages fast (even faster than Gecko browsers on my PC) by using some techniques on rendering the page almost immediately after receiving the data from the web. With Safari, MacOSX has now seven “native” graphical browsers. Read more and vote for your favorite OSX browser! Update: A relevant article is posted on News.com regarding the reasons Apple chose KHTML and not Gecko.I found a number of bugs (around 6-7; I filed bug reports) and missing features on Safari (tabbed browsing would be nice), but as I said, I liked what I saw in this second beta. It works, and it works pretty well for most of the users (resizing a semi-complex page is still an issue though – it’s slow). As it matures, I am sure it will become even better. But that’s just me… What is your favorite OSX browser?
Note: The poll is now closed. Thanks everyone for voting!
how do we always end up with people trying to bash Apple in each article. This should be a discussion on the browsers on the MAC, how XP crap gets into this is beyond me, I can understand the LINUX since the Safari core. IMHO
Eh, just ignore ’em.
I had tons of problems with mozzila with compatability to just not being stable on my iBook. I am waiting to upgrade to jaguar, need the funds 🙂 icab worked okay and loaded quickly. those are the only ones I have tried. I am waiting for safari when I get 10.2
Like Eugenia I am not a regular user of Mac OS X. I have a few Macs but I run Yellowdog Linux. Safari is a very good browser. I booted into the Mac OS to use it and i like it quite a bit, not enough to make me get rid of YDL. Safari behaves and acts just like konqueror, it is super fast and the pages are beautiful. Safari is a beta, which means NON FINISHED PRODUCT if you have feature requests and bug reports send them in, that is the only way that you are going to get it right. I hear and see all these flames about the Mozilla guys being mad at Apple, Im sure Apple could care less who is mad at them, petition them all you like they will not change from KHTML, get used to it, it will become a standard. That said I find these comments on Chimera to be inaccurate and false, This afternoon I tested both browsers using a cable modem on the same Mac. Safari beat down Chimera in speed and javascript as well as rendering. The pages in Safari just flow. i did find some quirks with the browser on some pages that i sent in the bug reports to the Safari team, as for Chimera, These Mozilla guys have ticked me off so much that i havent sent them in crap. going to the news and proclaiming that Apple said their code is crap is bull, I was at the keynote i heard what Jobs said, he told MS that IE for Mac was crap he never mentioned Mozilla by name. I think these Chimera fans and the Mozilla teams need to get a life Apple is doing what it does best, competing with the big dogs. It made a very good choice in code and this is one of those very few times that I stand up for Apple.
Speaking of liars, you couldnt be farther from the truth. I am truthteller and truthteller only.
LOL..
Either that or you have no freaking idea how to “monitor” an IP address. Also, I have never had to “log in” or “log out” of this site *ever* so I have no idea WTF you are talking about.
Nice try troll.
Hi, my name is Marklar… I have have a strange strange problem. I seem to think everyone who posts things I don’t like are scamming the boards. Ie, they are one person mascarading as two or more people. Here I’ll show you.. thru my IP monitoring genious I’ve come to the conclusion that everyone who has an IP address that is composed of numbers seperated into groups of 3 by periods is in fact the same person. They are only changing the numbers to try to fool us.
Additionally I feel I should come out of the closet so to speak. I’m really not Marklar, I’m rajan r pretending to be truthteller, pretending to Vince, pretending to Marklar so I can argue with myself since there really isn’t anyone else to argue with.
I will make Safari my default browser once they implement tabbed browsing, and allow the user to make more adjustments to the interface. For example, I cant turn off underlined links, or make Times 16 my default font. (My choice is either Times 14 or 18…) Still, Safari shows great promise for a beta. It will own the OS X browser market once 1.0 is released. For now I am still using Netscape 7.
I really liked Chimera till i got and used Safari (im useing it right now)
And i really like it…it works much better than all browsers i have used…I would not say it works as fast as they say it does but it is still fast and i really like it alot….but still i voted for Chimera….it has thing right now that Safari does not…but Safari is still new and im sure with in time it will be the best out there….you do have to remember that it is still in beta testing….
But i like Safari best even though i voted Chimera….
First, truthteller, while being a tad obnoxious in your approach you are indeed a truth teller.
I’ve been looking into what’s been causing the “beach ball of death” for me. Indeed a quick googling will tell you that you’re not alone:
(from http://archive.develooper.com/[email protected]/msg03653.html )
Yeah, but this whole episode was presaged by a spinning-beachball-of-death attack. One of those where a seemingly innocuous click on a menu starts the spinning ball in one app, and then over the next minute or two, the spinning ball “spreads” to every other app, you can’t logout–you can’t pull up a logout dialog–attempts to ssh in never respond, etc. This happens with some regularity to me, and the only answer seems to be to just powerdown. Am I the only one who sees this? It must happen once a month or more, though it seems to be somewhat rarer with Jaguar than it was with 10.1.
This is precisely what happens to my system. You can’t do anything, including ssh in to restart the system remotely, so something is obviously incredibly hosed.
Well, I did some digging on my system, and here’s what I found. In /Library/Logs/CrashReporter there is an EXTENSIVE crash log for fix_prebinding (and *only* fix_prebinding; no other programs on my system have crashed):
tarcieri:/Library/Logs/CrashReporter% grep Date fix_prebinding.crash.log | wc -l
84
Ouch, not good. Let’s see what dates this thing crashed:
tarcieri:/Library/Logs/CrashReporter% grep Date fix_prebinding.crash.log | cut -d ‘ ‘ -f 3 | uniq
2003-01-02
2003-01-03
2003-01-09
Okay, now let’s coorelate that with system crashes as reported by last:
tarcieri:~% last | grep crash
tarcieri console dhcp75 Thu Jan 9 23:23 – crash (2+18:11)
tarcieri ttyp1 Fri Jan 3 15:58 – crash (3+08:48)
tarcieri console dhcp75 Fri Jan 3 15:44 – crash (3+09:01)
tarcieri ttyp1 Thu Jan 2 18:35 – crash (21:09)
tarcieri console dhcp75 Thu Jan 2 16:23 – crash (23:21)
Hmmm, bit of a pattern here wouldn’t you say?
Sorry I am a bit obnoxious, but I am trying to prove a point.
Thanks for the info. I am gonna hunt down these trails on both my machine at work and my bosses machine. For me I can deal it with more, but he is a total Apple fanatic, and is a little bummed about the problems he is having trying to switch. He really wants the “power of UNIX” and whatever Apple wants to deal him, he just cant stand the beach ball.
Bascule, question: Why do you think this is happening to only *some* machines and not others?
Mark T.: What bothers me is that Microsoft and Netscape may stop making browsers for the mac if Safari really takes off.
Unlikely. Especially for Netscape, which would try to get as much market as possible. For Microsoft, as long there is Office for the Mac, they won’t stop the port.
Otherwise they wouldn’t have made the port of WMP (which is actually a Java + Obj. C with WMP encoders and decoders..) just because there was QuickTime and iTunes.
Mark T.: I don’t know why IE is slow on the mac.
Most probably technical reasons. Internet Explorer from its Mosaic base have been ported from one platform to another. It would somehow one day get out of hand. I guess that day is now…
Mike Hearn: I can’t believe how much the people in the article diss Gecko. They should really know better – Gecko was once small, light and fast as well.
I remember around the time they was boasting of KHTML-like sizes, their features were way way way way way way way less than of KHTML at its current size. Plus, with all the new features, KHTML didn’t explode in size since KDE 2.0, didn’t it?
Mozilla have very bad management, Gecko is to show for that.
Mike Hearn: made it support XSLT
All the XSLT code I throw at KDE 3.1 RC3 works 100% fine. Much better than IE in many cases :-).
Mike Hearn: support embedded SVG gecko-style, XForms
Have you tried the latest beta of Konqueror in KDE 3.1? XForms is not supported yet though, IIRC.
Mike Hearn: Or, what, did you think that actually the Gecko team wanted to make a large piece of code?
Did you think Netscape wanted to take 4 years to write Mozilla?
the original freeze poster: Forgive my ignorance but I don’t know what Carbon is and how it is different from Classic and Cocoa.
You can tell the difference between a Classic app and a Cocoa/Carbon app. The Classic app looks like a OS 9 app stuck in the OS X enviroment. As for Cocoa/Carbon, the difference is huge technically, but to you the user, little difference.
Any problem with Carbon is Apple fault, right?
nnooiissee: An app using Carbon is still in some ways a Mac OS 9 app (but not backwards compatable) so things haven’t changed too much.
Actually, one of Carbon’s key features that it can run on OS 9 too, via CarbonLib, IIRC.
Marklar: truthteller’s real name is Remaja, rajan r, (and one other nick name… Iunfortunately, I forgot it)
My IP address 219.93.218.—. The first three numbers tell that I’m from Malaysia using TMnet Sdn. Bhd. Streamyx service. truthteller is using IP: 67.40.17.—, whom the first three numbers shows it is a US service.
Why should I fly halfway across the world, or pay international call charges just to troll on this forums.
Marklar: I’ve been monitoring his IP addresses
If you have, you wouldn’t make this stupid claim.
Marklar: monitoring certain key words he uses often which expose his cover.
Like what keywords? truthteller, from his posts here tell he is a Mac fan. I’m not even close to that. His posts show that is more towards socialism, but my neo-capitalism.
Besides, why is it that editors that often disagree with me, including mike Bouma and Eugenia, and regulars like Matthew Gardiner, Rayiner Hashem etc. never call me a troll, but rather someone new who have been an absolute Mac zealot?
Nice troll buddy.
Marklar, PLEASE behave yourself and be careful how you talk about other OSNews readers.