Jonathan writes “I’m proud to present SkyKruzer, the first WebBrowser for SkyOS. Finally, I reached the first milestone I set for myself more then 2 years ago. It should be possible to develop new applications with an IDE, browse through the internet and listen to some MP3’s or play games. I reached this point with the brand new implementation of SkyKruzer (the default WebBrowser for SkyOS).” More can be read at skyos.org.
The First Web Browser for SkyOS
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now if only he would open source it so he can get more developers on board and really up the tempo on skyos development.
Konq strikes again. Gotta love that
the open source ppl would take their heads out of their rectums long enough to appreciate an accomplishment when it happens outside of their close minded worlds.
Konq developer’s are doing a really good job. While porting the khtml part I had to read and understand the most parts of it, and I have to say, it’s a very well designed and coded application.
Hey it’s the thirs konq based browser …. methinks, web dev are going to have to change their mind on standards.
http://homepage.mac.com/softkid
And he’s surfing OSNews, what.a.coincidence.
It’s a gigantic accomplishment he have done with SkyOS, and I don’t think the choice of KHTML was a bad one considering it’s compact design.
Rooting for SkyOS.
Some commenters has so bright mind – they even cannot understand that it uses open source rendering engine
I’m in charge of ABrowse for Syllable, also KHTML based. I’m looking to do a major upgrade of the khtml renderer (it could certainly use it) and am curious what khtml source did you use? I’ve been looking at the source for Safari (unfortunatly its wrapped to objective-c) and am considering using the source provided by the konq-embed project by KDE. If you’re interested send me an email or feel free to discuss it here.
One question: Have you implemented the proxy stubs?
Shawn
htpp://sourceforge.net/projects/syllable-net
What does the use of Konqurer’s GNU licensed code mean for the rest of his code in the SkyOS (Is Konquerer GNU licensed?). Is it viral?
sorry about that… been a long night, early morning…
<a href=”http://sourceforge.net/projects/syllable-net“>syllable-net</a…
if interested in what we’ve done…
Shawn
sorry, you get the point
I am a great admirer of an accomplishment such as SkyOS.
But if it is to ever transcend the realms of being a hobby OS, it needs more than 1 person dedicated to it. The only way to acheive this would be to open source SkyOS.
I just want another polished, competing OS in the world, nothing more.
Well I’ve seen that several of you are talking about SkyOS and Open Source. Please see this thread for more info:
http://skyos.org/messagelist.php?category=OS&topic=SkyOS+needs+Open…
There are some info there that might be interesting for you.
/Jonathan
Khtml is licensed under the LGPL. the Libray, or Lesser, GPL, which allows it to be linked with non-free libraries. No, he does’t have to give back any changes but if was a good citizen he would. Like Apple did with Safari.
//Some commenters has so bright mind – they even cannot understand//
Uh…
Yah. Ok.
now if only he would open source it so he can get more developers on board and really up the tempo on skyos development.
But maybe the guy *don’t want* to really up the tempo. Maybe all he wants it’s to learn how to make every parts of an OS. If you deleguate many tasks, then you just don’t happen to learn those sections.
I for sure understand him.
…it’s surely an amazing feeling to have a very own system growing during the years. Very nice hobby in any case.
Having a web browser in your own OS is quite an amazing achievment.
Good work.
> But maybe the guy *don’t want* to really up the tempo. Maybe all he > wants it’s to learn how to make every parts of an OS.
No. It’s just ignorant, in this case. He also learned from open sources, open documentation, and with open development tools. At least he could provide the source that others who also want to learn can do so. If everyone would keep the information he learnt for him alone, the human race wouldn’t have come that far.
Keep in mind: If he doesn’t WANT others to send him patches, he can SAY so! He can keep control over his project, even if it’s open! If someone forks it and releases another SkyOS clone, where’s the problem? People will choose, with time passing. Only one will survive. Either the original, or the fork. If the original survives, where’s the problem? If the fork survives, again, where’s the problem? Wasn’t the idea of the author to *learn* from this project? Now if the fork survives, it’s obviously better quality, so that he again can learn from *this*, and so on.
Don’t make up problems where there aren’t any.
Looking at the screenshots, the original GUI is definetly better. It just looks clean and consistent. Damn impressive achievemnet.
HarjTT
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Why must we bother him whether he wan’t his work to be open source or not. Let him decide. Somebody just wrote that maybe wan’t to learn something from what he did, but actually we can learn from other open source project, not necessarily his project. I love GPL but if others didn’t like it, it is their right.
I did tried SkyOS previously but it didn’t manage to boot up on all of my tested PC (maybe around 4 nos). However the initial boot screen is nice. If looking at the screenshot, I didn’t like the look of the GUI and now it is the only reason why I didn’t give another try.
Hoek, Charlie…
A true gift puts no obligation upon the receiver. Giving something away and then claiming everyone who accepted the gift owes an obligation is a contradiction. The more forcefully you insist the obligation be honored, the less true gratitude you will get in return.
A culture of giving is dependent on people giving without expecting anything in return, and those receiving feeling enough gratitude to reciprocate or emulate the generosity.
Since Hoek put forth a survival model, I will that sometimes it is unique and individual traits that makes diversity worthwhile. Forking means another project that is similar will be created. This means more diversity, but less individuality and uniqueness. The two projects end up competing for a similar user base, hence the diversity leads to a lower survivability overall. Unless you can guarantee that the fork will develop a unique survival trait, the fork option is not as sure-win as you make it to be.
Taken to the extreme forking can be as endless as opinions are, and the relevance of the original source code is zero. There are so many competing projects, a small drop of uniqueness dissolved into a sea of opinions is unnoticeable. There is not a lack of source code in the sea, but a lack of unique design.
Part of original design involves avoiding copying of known designs. More developers will bring in more experience, but experience is by definition a product of something that has already been done. The temptation is, since a design is already known, and the motive of having more developers is faster development, it makes sense to code the known design as it is the shortest path to having a working product.
Given that SkyOS has demonstrated some initial sucess I see no reason to bend it to the will of a more diverse leadership.
Besides, there are so many open source projects available for you to bend to your will. Look to yourself and ask why do you want this one in particular? What made it unique? If it’s on a unique trajectory, should you create a fork in the road?
Surely, the hoards of new developers will out number the One. All else being equal, the One’s contribution should in theory become no more than the others. Given that, surely the hoard can suceeed without the One’s contribution.
Unless the One is more powerful than all the others combined.
Diversity implies some projects won’t be open-source.
>>No. It’s just ignorant, in this case. He also learned from open sources, open documentation, and with open development tools. At least he could provide the source that others who also want to learn can do so. If everyone would keep the information he learnt for him alone, the human race wouldn’t have come that far.
Keep in mind: If he doesn’t WANT others to send him patches, he can SAY so! He can keep control over his project, even if it’s open! If someone forks it and releases another SkyOS clone, where’s the problem? People will choose, with time passing. Only one will survive. Either the original, or the fork. If the original survives, where’s the problem? If the fork survives, again, where’s the problem? Wasn’t the idea of the author to *learn* from this project? Now if the fork survives, it’s obviously better quality, so that he again can learn from *this*, and so on. <<
you just demonstated the flaws and false wishes of open source people. The very nature of open source is to let people see how things are done. This person used that. But now you think he has to give back. That’s against the whole “freedom” idealogy of opensource. just because you believe everyone should do like you doesn’t mean they will, nor should they have to.
This is his project. Much the same as atheos was Kurt’s The fun is in that it’s his, he has the power over it. The biggest moral killer is someone taking off with your work and changing it. I wouldn’t want that and I’m sure many wouldn’t. People want people to like what they have done and support the creator and their wants. A world were everyone has to give up their dreams and ideas so everyone can play with them is a world that sucks. I feel bad for people like Kurt of atheos, he let people see his work, and what did he get, people running off and moving on not caring about the person that created it. I don’t know if he has worked on it in a long time. With things the way they are I wouldn’t want to. The whole fun of it being his is gone. Maybe he will do something new and re-think things like the GPL. That’s one of the bad things about the GPL, what may be freedom to some is stealing it from others, the developer, once they decide to do GPL they have lost any control over their work, and what they did as a nice gesture gets thrown in their face. People like you need to read what you said and relize that is one of the biggest problems of open source. This is why so many don’t like it, or at the least not the GPL.
Pahtz, brad,
you’re right.
I just was in a bad mood yesterday..
All the unices have it, Windows’ got it, OS X got it, heck now even AtheOS and SkyOS got it…
now if only BeOS could get a khtml web browser!
Sure, we can talk about the porting issues. Will contact you at monday.
Btw, I have implemented a ConfigurationClass which is used by the loader classes to get information about the proxy. If a proxy is enabled, the loader for HTTP Files uses this proxy directly.
Will give you more info’s on monday,..