Leading Linux seller Red Hat quietly released an updated version of its Advanced Server product last week that adds support for IBM’s x440 server, an important expansion for both companies. IBM has high hopes for multiprocessor Xeon systems, Big Blue has been cooling toward Intel’s Itanium processor, said Illuminata analyst Gordon Haff. IBM canceled a plan to release its own AIX version of Unix for Itanium servers and recently transferred a handful of programmers working on Linux for Itanium to work on Linux for IBM’s Power server processors. Additionally, a third Phoebe beta of Red Hat Linux 8.1 is expected tomorrow for the x86 architecture.
Red Hat Upgrade Backs IBM Intel Server
2003-02-19 Red Hat 28 Comments
Just have to get this in……BRING ON 8.1. I cant wait to try that bad boy out….betas look great so far. One thing, dear god dont F KDE up beyond recognition.
“One thing, dear god dont F KDE up beyond recognition.”
Shame it isn’t christmas. Chestnuts roasting sounds right, about now.
BTW What exactly is the matter with the Itanium? Or is this simply an example of prefering the home team?
One thing, dear god dont F KDE up beyond recognition.
I like what RedHat is doing to KDE, because it looks a lot better and improvement.
Its true, some of the work is really nice that redhat is doing to it. But man, trying to build pyKDE and realizing there is no coherent $KDEDIR sure is a drag. Mon…
Just have to get this in……BRING ON 8.1.
Ask XFree.org to release 4.3 first (hey, everybody is waiting for 4.3 anyway).
But man, trying to build pyKDE and realizing there is no coherent $KDEDIR sure is a drag.
Do your job as a Free Software citizen! Go to RedHat’s Bugzilla and file a bug report if isn’t alreadly been filed.
Let me see….what will be the bugs in this one? Wont recognise any USB mouse if u move it more than 3 times during the install? Wont install on a Dell system if theres a full moon and you live in a Country that has a E in its name? KDE crashes when u whistle dixie while trying to play an mp3 file during a thunderstorm?
You have to wave a dead bat over your machine and chant “ugger ugger ugger” to get it to install from FTP without corrupting your windows partition?
One thing, dear god dont F KDE up beyond recognition.
I’m not really one to respond to trolls, but this attitude seems to have moved beyond trolldom and into the community.
I’m a RedHat user (8.0) and I’ve just not been able to figure out what all the look-what-RedHat-did-to-mutilate-KDE whiners are actually talking about. I typically use Gnome, so I’m not in KDE all that much, but from what I can tell RedHat hasn’t done anything to cripple or distort KDE. What they have done is:
1.) Given their KDE package a distictive theme to match their Gnome look-and-feel
2.) Removed the all the extra KDE branding
I can see where people might think that KDE’s theme was fine the way it was. Personally, I think it’s unattractive so I welcome a nice default theme like BlueCurve. I can also see why people might think that since the KDE team developed KDE, they should be able to have a “K menu” and the words “KDE” plastered everywhere. Personally, I don’t need all that extraneous product branding taking up screen real estate.
I guess I’d like to see people ease up off RedHat and actually start to watch what they’re doing. Their business strategy is really quite wonderful actually (even if you personally don’t like what they sell). I think they’ve established themselves as a real leader in the Linux community. Some of the other distros out there are on the sidelines trying to draw the attention of the crowds, while RedHat is on the field actually making some plays.
Why am I seeing this warning when installing Mozilla 1.2 (and following instructions to the letter on a brand new SuSE 8.1 Pro box)? All I want to do is update Mozilla but I’ve been at it now for, oh, one and a half hours.
The Linux experience seems to have been planned by gang of cosmic monkeys intent on compounding all the horrors of an MS-style UI with the pedantry of the command line: I wouldn’t wish it on Bill G himself!
Off topic and off my chest too – goodness I feel better now.
Because you are using an OS built by a group of people around the world with very little communication, no direction, and definitely not similiar goals. But hey, usability, integration, ease of configuration are all things you have to give up to the escape “the man”
Welcome to the wonderful world of Linux. This GTK error is just one of the many cryptic error messages youll see during your magical wonderful journey. You can download the latest patch to get the latest cryptic error message (if you ever manage to get the patch compiled).Be prepared to also lose half your hardware support and dont expect apps to run for more than 10 mins without core dumping.
Forget any idea of having a normal life….all your waking hours will now be spent f…king around trying to get things to work (which they never will)
Buckle up and enjoy your stay Linux Newbie!
Sorry the comment about the patch was misleading. You dont need the patch. Just wait 2 months and dish out $100 on the next distribution to get the latest cryptic error messages.
Ooh, ooh. Also if it’s not too late, I’d like to be the first to tell you to RTFM you lu$er!#$%@ What that’s not mentioned in the manual? Well then I’ll fall back on the classic “file a bug report or fix it yoursel, you get what you pay for.”
Warning messages are good. In fact, I just added this line to .bashrc:
alias g++=’g++ -Wno-deprecated’
so I wouldn’t have to look at some of them. At any rate, if you’re upgrading from a previous version of mozilla, be sure to remove the old executable and be sure your $PATH points to the new one.
I remember going through this when I was back on Redhat 7.3, because I needed to compile some security feature and figured I’d upgrade at the same time. Something else you should remember when upgrading mozilla is to keep your plugins in /home/your_name/.mozilla/plugins or else they’ll be overwritten.
In all honesty, I’d be using Suse right now (just because of all the software that’s included) if it would run on my hardware, but Redhat definitely works very well. I can’t wait for the 8.1 release either. I’ve heard good things about the new KDE, but I’m not about to go through the trouble of downloading all those rpms to my 8.0 box.
And yes, linux can be a challange sometimes, but only if you make it. You can also live the easy life and let the distro do all the compiling for you
That is also exactly how I feel about Linux in general. As hard as I try, I just cannot bring myself to call Linux (generic) a usable product. I bought suse 8.1 and didn’t leave it on my computer for longer than a week. Right now I am using my Linux partition to test Windows 2003 server, and like it that way.
“Ask XFree.org to release 4.3 first (hey, everybody is waiting for 4.3 anyway).”
Already out in the wild. Now for your particular distro I don’t know, but I’m running it and it’s nice.
“That is also exactly how I feel about Linux in general. As hard as I try, I just cannot bring myself to call Linux (generic) a usable product. I bought suse 8.1 and didn’t leave it on my computer for longer than a week. Right now I am using my Linux partition to test Windows 2003 server, and like it that way.”
Maybe It’s not a useable product for you cause you don’t want to put in the time & effort to re-learn an OS. I don’t blame you for that, infact I wish people would stop ‘trying’ out linux unless they’re serious about learning something. That frustration you get in linux? I get it in windows, with crashes/lockups for instance right now I just bought a HP PSC printer/scanner/fax and its not working on windows (some errors I got frustrated with). All I did was install the driver and let linux probe new hardware, it was done in minutes. It’s what I know but I don’t go around calling windows unusable cause
my box has problems.
Do what I do sick with what makes you happy and don’t waste time bashing something to people who don’t care.
only to escape from BillG ???
Hate bluecurve on KDE ? Then you didn’t get the so called freedom – with complete freedom, you don’t have to wait the next release or whatever to reverse back to the standard KDE settings
hi. would anyone have an idea when will 8.1 be released? i really liked what i’m seeing on the betas regarding desktop improvements, as well as dev stuff, like subversion.
“Ooh, ooh. Also if it’s not too late, I’d like to be the first to tell you to RTFM you lu$er!#$%@ What that’s not mentioned in the manual? Well then I’ll fall back on the classic “file a bug report or fix it yoursel, you get what you pay for.”
1) There are manuals. It is good to read them, as you WILL find answers to things like these. Thats what manuals are for. If you don’t find the answer, then ask AFTER doing some research yourself.
2) Yes, do file a bug report so someone CAN fix it. Better yet, contribute to the project by fixing the bug. Linux is about people working together. There is a focus on contribution, because if nobody does, there wouldn’t be a nice free OS to use, would there?
Linux isn’t about other people doing things for you. Grow up, and learn to do things yourself. The problem here is that everyone expects to be spoon-fed the answers by the community, who are all just VOLUNTEERS. THINK FOR YOURSELVES PEOPLE, and if you do have a question, you’ll find that there are people willing to volunteer their time to help you.
“Maybe It’s not a useable product for you cause you don’t want to put in the time & effort to re-learn an OS. I don’t blame you for that, infact I wish people would stop ‘trying’ out linux unless they’re serious about learning something.”
That’s sort of what I though at first, and what people keep telling me. I actually learned quite a bit and most things I can get eventually get done. I’m not really afraid of reading documentation either. I’m just tired of the hassle I have to go through to get certain things done. Linux is still a fun hobby, but I just can’t force myself to call it productive. There are other problems with it as well but they are taboo to speak of and saying so in public would make me a troll.
[i]”Ask XFree.org to release 4.3 first (hey, everybody is waiting for 4.3 anyway).”
Already out in the wild. Now for your particular distro I don’t know, but I’m running it and it’s nice. [i]
It’s still on snapshot/beta life. (Yes, I know it’s nice, I have to use it to make X work on a i845-equipped MoBo)
This is nice, I’ve been waiting 4 months for Red Hat to release this particular patch to fix a Virtual memory problem that occurs on large memory machines 4GB+, and the world thinks it’s an update. I’ve been freakin bleeding for this fix, incidentally so have many other Oracle on Advanced Server customers. Until today I was running kernel.org kernel ontop of the AS, today my stuff is finally working as expected with their enhanced kernel. Too bad my company already decided to abandon the immature Linux in favor of PA-RISC. Yay, good job Red Hat.
The reason you have to RTFM, is because it’s not intuitive (I know, the antichrist to opensource, intuitive), or because the behavior is broken. The second someeone has a question, like why doesn’t Mozilla have Flash, you should consider, can we fix this so others don’t have the same problem?
Linux isn’t about other people doing things for you. Grow up, and learn to do things yourself.
If things weren’t so broken in the first place, no one would be asking for your help. Do you think people enjoy asking you for your help? Join #linux on EFNet and see how much fun it is to get help there. Just fix the damn problems, and stop bitching about users. Or stop telling everyone how much better it is than windows. Windows is ready for average people to use. Put in a blank CD, and you’re prompted to burn CD, complete with a wizard. In Linux? I might need to compile my kernel with SCSI emulation, track down the right program (make sure to run XCDRoast as root to set it up), etc etc. I’m sure someone will try to refute that, but that is a SYMPTOM of one problem (usability/organization), not the only problem of Linux.
2) Yes, do file a bug report so someone CAN fix it.
So is this a XFree86 issue, Konsole issue, Mozilla issue, X driver issue, X setup issue? Or should I just file a bug in all of those places, and a few more just to be safe?
Better yet, contribute to the project by fixing the bug. Linux is about people working together.
Please come join us in reality. Those who are having problems with setting something up are LEAST likely to be able to fix the bug.
Have you ever just wanted to use your computer peacefully? Easy to maintain, easy to setup, and install new applications? This kind of experience is NOT YET possible with Linux yet. People always blather on and on about how Linux is the greatest operating system, invented by God himself. Guess what? You need to get in touch with reality. Linux is good for many things, but NOT EVERYTHING! Get it through your head. Many people are quite happy with Windows. It is very easy to use, much easier than Linux will be to use for quite a while. You can call it all the stupid things you want (compensate or whatever), windowze, winblows, winsucks, M$, but at the end of the day, who is more mature? Do you see everyone who had a bad experience with Linux calling it Lunix, 0$, or whatever? No you just have these idiots in forums and on Slashdot saying “Why are you using W|ndow$ you lU$3R!@#$!” behaving like 13 year old boys. Anyway, once that argument falls through (when someone actually has a problem with Linux), these people extolling the virtues of linux (most magical OS on the planet) disappear, and are replaced by “RTFM” (see above) and “YOu get what you pay for” (duh).
OK I’m done ranting.
Just thought I’d share a few thoughts directed towards some (not all) overzealous Linux advocates.
“Have you ever just wanted to use your computer peacefully? Easy to maintain, easy to setup, and install new applications?”
Debian is fairly easy in this regard. It works well for me. If it doesn’t work for you, then use what does work. Simple. Nobody is forcing you to use linux.
“Guess what? You need to get in touch with reality. Linux is good for many things, but NOT EVERYTHING! Get it through your head. Many people are quite happy with Windows.”
Stop trolling. Did I even mention that linux was better than windows, or that it was easy to use? No. In fact, I didn’t mention windows at all. Typical. As with any technology, linux comes with a learning curve. Thats why you “RTFM” to get started.
I’m not a linux “zealot”; I just wanted you to realized how bold some of your claims were. Just who do you think you are, demanding that people support you for free, and make the os better because YOU want them to? These people volunteer their time. They aren’t paid for this. It’s time to think outside of capitalism for a moment. You didn’t pay for it, you didn’t contribute to it, so what right do you have to expect ANYTHING?
“No you just have these idiots in forums and on Slashdot saying “Why are you using W|ndow$ you lU$3R!@#$!” behaving like 13 year old boys.”
I can’t argue that point. It is true that there are some of these in every crowd…unfortunate.
“2) Yes, do file a bug report so someone CAN fix it.
So is this a XFree86 issue, Konsole issue, Mozilla issue, X driver issue, X setup issue? Or should I just file a bug in all of those places, and a few more just to be safe? ”
If you read the manual, you would know:
a) that Xfree is responsible for displaying graphics. If you can’t start Xfree, you’ll be at a text console. No pretty windows and menus for you.
b) that Mozilla displays web-pages.
For Xfree, change your X setup and Driver if you suspect those to be the issue. If the issue persists, then we know its most likely an X issue. If you take a moment to *think for yourself* you could easily deduce that if you don’t see any graphics on the screen because the X server won’t start, it’s an X bug.
If mozilla wasn’t displaying web pages, it’s a mozilla issue. Submit those bugs to either maintainer.
Now, if you can’t seem to nail down the bug, many distributions (I know Gentoo does this, and probably others as well) will take bug reports, and they will move them “upstream” to the proper maintainer if needed. See, people will do all the thinking for you, so you don’t have to.
First off, if your header/synopsis wasn’t a joke you still don’t get it. And secondly, most of the post wasn’t addressed at you. It is the people who come frothing at the mouth about how Linux is the end-all be-all OS for everyone in every situation.
And you should RTP, the problem was that Mozilla was displaying a cryptic warning My EXAMPLE was, that most people would not know what the problem was. Is it a GTK error, installation issue, X setup issue (yes DISPLAY could be pointing at the wrong/non-existent screen). This is just an example, my point was that its very hard to nail down bugs between applications communicating. It’s quite possible that this person (yes it’s not me, read the posts) reports it to the GTK people as well as the Mozilla people and that both parties claim the other is responsible for the bug. From what the poster posted, it sounds like Mozilla won’t start and ends with that error, or that it starts, but displays those warnings in the console. I don’t know which, they didn’t post enough information.
As for expecting anything. I expect nothing honestly. But please explain this to the “bad advocates” who come in here regularly and post ridiculous claims about how it is the best OS in the world, and anyone who uses anything is stupid. That’s my point mainly, I’m very sick of that.
And on a final note, I think that documentation on Linux is quite lacking. Some of the individual projects have good documentation, but the overall state I find quire poor (IMHO of course). Maybe it is because everything is so seperated and divided up, but there are few quality sources of information that I have seen that apply well. I have looked at the howto’s and I find the writing quality and explanations (of the ones I read) were quite poor. Sometimes key points were glossed right over, or the key point was buried in the wrong section, or other “gotchas”. Is there any online equivalent to the FreeBSD handbook in the Linux world? (honestly curious)
As for Debian.. I’m glad it works for you, but it’s definitely a niche market, and probably not going to gain mass acceptance anytime soon (imo).
I’m still looking for an OS that does browsing, hardware configuration, mp3 ripping, CD burning, web browsing (flash, java, shockwave, etc) out of the box. Of everything I have tried Windows XP has the come closest. I recommend it for my friends because it’s easier to support. I can walk them through re-installing it over the phone, and have much less issues in general.
FWIW, I could probably fix the problem that this person is having if I was sitting at their computer, troubleshooting with them. I’m a CS major and have been using computers for 13 years.