Home > Oracle and SUN > Sun Eyes Alliances with Linux RivalsSun Eyes Alliances with Linux Rivals Eugenia Loli 2003-03-06 Oracle and SUN 24 CommentsSun Microsystems is considering striking up partnerships with mainstream Linux sellers such as Red Hat and SuSE–a move that would turn them into an ally, rather than a rival, of those companies.About The Author Eugenia LoliEx-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 24 Comments 2003-03-06 10:13 pm “Sun Eyes Alliances with Linux Rivals”?They want to ally with those that oppose Linux?Sun Microsystems is considering striking up partnerships with mainstream Linux sellers such as Red Hat and SuSE–a move that would turn them into an ally, rather than a rival, of those companies.Oh… Good, good!Not nitpicking, please do delete or mod this comment down. But the title is a bit misleading. 2003-03-06 10:16 pm Because Sun will die from being two small compared to HP and IBM. Sun should By SGI and make “frien” with debian. Sun should by one Linux distro (read let’s say mandrake , they need it).—http://homepage.mac.com/softkid 2003-03-06 10:16 pm The word Linux in the title is an adjective, not a noun. In proper english, that would be “Linux’s rivals”, but there is no “‘s”, so you have translated it the wrong way. 2003-03-06 10:26 pm Sun needs to transform its self into an application and services orientated company. If they can put to gether a complete package of integrated business applications starting with StarOffice and including thing such as groupware, etc. – developing more comercial programs – could position themselves as a leader in M$ to Linux business migration. 2003-03-06 10:51 pm now that is a good idea… !do what they do with OpenOffice/StarOffice … buy it… give it some resources… help it along … and occasionally branch off a more proprietary form with lots of proprietary goodies (fonts, graphics, apps, dictionaries, whatever)…It works really well with StarOffice… and I’m sure people will be willing to pay a small fee for a Mandrake-on-steroids! Businesses in particular would love a full (and I mean FULL) mandrake distro with no need to mess about getting MScore fonts, swicthing on freetype interpreters, downlaoding dictionaries… proprietary hardware drivers (nvidia)…think about it: mr businessman like StarOffice… and would love it to be nicely integrated into a linux distro from the same people… and be happy that all the extra goodies are in there…look at OOo/StarOffice… its making everyone happy… from the open source people to the businesses-buying-boxes.… i really think it could work…! 2003-03-06 11:12 pm Sun is a dangerous company. Linux companies have to be really really careful about this alliance. Sun had always trouble cooperating with other companies. Their track record is not good at all. 2003-03-07 12:15 am I thought it was universally acknowledged that SunLinux was basically just RedHat Advanced Server.http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/content/misc/Linux_Differences.pdfWhat’s the news? 2003-03-07 12:29 am To be fair to the osnews.com people, they picked up the title from news.com. I didn’t find it misleading, but again I’m not a native english speaker. I’m not very picky either 😉Another off-topic comment. Is the Yoper link (big red Y) an ad? It’s pretty effective due to the way the osnews pages render on Mozilla at least: You first see the big red Y in the middle of the page for about half a second and then the article and the comments are rendered, and the Y jumps to the side. You couldn’t have achieved as good an effect with flash 🙂 2003-03-07 12:39 am Yes, a guy wrote in to tell us that it renders like that on Phoenix as well, it renders normally on my Mozilla, but it is just Phoenix that jumps the ad from the center of the page to the left… Nifty effect, but in reality, it is a bit of buggy rendering from Gecko really, as the table cell is asked to do 130 pixels, but for an instance, in the first parse rendering it gives it 765 pixels, so this is why we see that effect… 2003-03-07 12:44 am I thinks it great, they need to go with UnitedLinux and stay away from Red Hat Linux. 2003-03-07 12:54 am I, too, noticed the ad, and in Opera is also renders the Y in the middle of the page and then the rest. Anyway, what’s up with it? Is it an ad? How on earth did Yoper, a free distribution without a stable release, come up with the capital for an icon on OSNews that is more prominent than the banner at the top!? The red really makes it stand out (not a good thing, it breaks the continuity of the green style of the site). 2003-03-07 12:58 am I get the same effect on Dillo, but only for the tiniest fraction of a second, Dillo is very fast even on my pentium 200.The OSnews site renders perfectly of course, I appreciate the work put in to keep it standards complient. 2003-03-07 1:02 am >Is it a [paid] ad?Yes. 2003-03-07 1:42 am Ditto on Konqueror 2003-03-07 1:44 am @Stephen Smith (IP: —.lowmrn01.pa.comcast.net)How on earth did Yoper, a free distribution without a stable release, come up with the capital for an icon on OSNews that is more prominent than the banner at the top!?Yoper isn’t free, 98.00 USD I think. 2003-03-07 2:12 am Sun’s problem is its initial outlay for deploying a Sunray network, which is completely insane.If you ask me, Sun should essentially rent out its enormous assets to companies on a certain periodic interval (say 2 years) at which point Sun would reclaim all the hardware (thin clients) and provide the companies who are “renting” the hardware with newer, upgraded thin clients. They could then lease out the older Sunrays and older servers to smaller companies who can’t afford the latest and greatest at a reduced price.I think Sun has seen the light with Linux, so to speak. Sun has ported the Sunray server software to Linux. With Linux + Wine, there would be no need to host Windows applications off a Citrix server running Windows. Sun could offer a solution with 100% Sun hardware running a Sun branded Linux distribution. With x86 server blades, it also becomes very easy to scale the server side as time progresses.Many people tend to criticize a thin client approach, citing performance issues. All I can say to those people is… you’ve obviously never seen a Sunray. Just to give you an idea, the protocol is sufficiently designed to watch a DVD full screen with no visible performance issues. I’d say that’s more than sufficient for the role Sun is selling them for, which are basic business tasks like word processing. 2003-03-07 3:12 am there is a cure for the yoper add, use IE, but still. Eugenia, I mentioned it was no big deal earlier, but now it is getting anoying. Does anyone know if there is a bug report for this with the phoenix or gecko people? 2003-03-07 3:34 am I think that’s an excellent idea Bascule.Moreover, someone big needs to start shipping workstations/desktops with Linux preinstalled. One thing that’s kept me from using Suse is that it won’t run on the computer I bought from the guy down the road, so I run Redhat. If someone like Sun could put out a nice workstation or desktop with Suse preinstalled for a $1000 or so, I’d buy one for my next computer.There’s a gaping hole in the market for something like this as far as I can tell, but it would take someone like Sun to take advantage of it. Granted we’re talking about a niche market right now, but they will make some money, and once something like that comes out, demand for it will only grow. 2003-03-07 3:55 am Yeah – I see it on Galeon to, I guess its common to all Gecko browsers. Interesting that its the same on Konqueror though.Anyone using IE ? 2003-03-07 4:28 am Well, Maybe Mozilla needs to tweak the rendering process.Anyone using IE ?IE doesn’t put the ad in the middle of the page while rendering it. 2003-03-07 6:10 am it renders just fine here with konq. from the 3.1 seriessame with galeon 1.3.2 and epiphany 0.5.1 soo methinks some people need to upgrade ;D 2003-03-07 7:40 am Ditto on Konqueror = Ditto on Safari!On topic. Does sun really know what to do with linux or solaris? They keep playing around. Sun, SHIP A REAL LINUX PRODUCT. 2003-03-07 5:18 pm ..so it can’t just be a gecko thing 2003-03-07 9:55 pm The main problem is IMO that it is not necessarily perceived as an advertisement.To me it looks like an endorsement from OSN for Yoper, I know that it isn’t so, but simply showing showing an icon is the usual web interface jargon for showing support for something (see the button row below). I find it quite unfathomable how Eugenia, who knows so much about UI design, could have possibly accepted this form of advertisement.