Home > Amiga & AROS > Amiga OS4 on Tour Amiga OS4 on Tour Mike Bouma 2003-05-18 Amiga & AROS 43 Comments Amiga OS4 will finally be presented to the general public and the first OS4 events are sheduled for June. Also Fleecy answered 10 more community questions for his 10th weekly Q&A. About The Author 43 Comments 2003-05-18 8:12 pm Quite a few Amiga users are reporting that they have received their G4 boards (not everyone yet due to heavy demand). Here’s a picture of a G4 AmigaOne-XE running Warcraft3 on MacOS X through MOL. http://www.anythingamiga.com/XEPics/x2.jpg.html If you are interested to know what kind of niche markets will be targeted with AmigaOne solutions, I recommend checking out the following presentation by Alan Redhouse of Eyetech: http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=355 2003-05-18 8:12 pm Bravo Hyperion! Using computers will be fun again, with the return of new and updated Amiga OS. 2003-05-18 8:38 pm >Quite a few Amiga users are reporting that they have >received their G4 boards (not everyone yet due to heavy >demand). It’s more the other way around. There is only a small number of AmigaOnes being delivered at the moment. For example some dealer has ordered around 50 boards (as many as people preordered) but Eyetech could not deliver this number yet. (see ppcnux.de) Maybe the next batch will be bigger though (the batch that had been delayed for around 3weeks). 2003-05-18 8:49 pm > see ppcnux.de Dear David Scheibler, ppcnux.de only reported that one (or maybe the largest one if they are bigger than Vesalia) of the largest German Amiga dealers already has 300% more AmigaOne orders before AmigaOS4 is even available, than for your rival product. If you decide to participate within discussions regarding rival products, then at least give accurate information (I can read German). 2003-05-18 8:49 pm >and a preview of Amiga OS4.0 Preview ? I think we have seen more than enough “previews”, about time that we see a BETA of it. (“Preview” does sound more like another show with 68k-modules). >will be given by Juergen Schober / Point Design from Austria Am I the only one who is suprised that this isn’t done by someone from Hyperion (if it is a presantion of an actuall PPC-OS) ? 2003-05-18 8:55 pm >Dear David Scheibler, ppcnux.de only reported that one (or >maybe the largest one if they are bigger than Vesalia) of >the largest German Amiga dealers already has 300% more >AmigaOne orders before AmigaOS4 is even available, than >for your rival product. Please check your source again and check how many boards this dealer actually got. ann.lu will be a great help there. 2003-05-18 9:00 pm That’s not true. The photo shows the Warcraft3 Installer, not Warcraft3 itself. 2003-05-18 9:04 pm >Am I the only one who is suprised that this isn’t done by >someone from Hyperion (if it is a presantion of an actuall >PPC-OS)? No. Juergen Schober is on the AmigaOne Developer List (NDA) and has already made various presentations before, some of them having been done exclusively by him (first PPCBoot etc., Amithlon, etc.). He’s done them very well IMHO. 2003-05-18 9:06 pm For those of us who don’t know, what does MOL stands for and what is it supposed to do? Peace. 2003-05-18 9:07 pm @ Kronos & David Scheibler Is MorphOS-News or MorphOSZone linking to this article or something? LOL BTW AmigaOS4 will be presented and not AmigaOS4 modules. > Please check your source again and check how many boards > this dealer actually got. I did ppcnux.de only mentioned orders. The amount of boards received will likely be less than the demand, as there are over dozens of dealers Eyetech ships their AmigaOne-XE boards to. > ann.lu will be a great help there. Amiga Network News is a great service, but unverified news and rumours often hits the news there. Actually the website originally just filtered the most interesting rumours found on Newsgroups. Please don’t let this thread turn into a useless MorphOS vs AmigaOS thread again… 2003-05-18 9:10 pm >BTW AmigaOS4 will be presented and not AmigaOS4 modules. Yes, and it will be very interesting ideed. It’s only half an hour away from here. >Amiga Network News You searched at the wrong place. I meant ann.lu 2003-05-18 9:12 pm MOL stands for Mac-On-Linux. It allows you to run MacOS 7.5.2 to 9.2.2, (MacOSX) 10.1 and 10.2 through Linux. http://www.maconlinux.com/ 2003-05-18 9:24 pm Actually you made it off topic. What exactly was the reason to moderate me? Nothing I wrote was inflamatory, everything I wrote was based on facts… Now… insisting on moderating my comment 5 times, that’s cool:) 2003-05-18 9:26 pm Eugenia, ok, de tha to epanalabw, apla mou fanhke periergo to oti ekane moderation sto comment mou ws off topic, enw o idios htan hdh *WAY* off topic… Back to english now. Sorry. 2003-05-18 9:27 pm Hello, @Mike Bouma: Sorry I don’t see any mention of MorphOS in this thread except in your post where you ask “Please don’t let this thread turn into a useless MorphOS vs AmigaOS thread again… “. Before it, there is no mention at all of MorphOS. So if you don’t want this thread becoming a useless MorphOS vs AmigaOS thread, please first stop mention MorphOS yourself. Regards 2003-05-18 9:32 pm @ Eugenia Glad you are here. @ Others People let’s try to stay on topic here. I have nothing against people working for this rival company, nor its supporters. I consider the product to be very interesting, but don’t let this turn into another MorphOS-AmigaOS4 fight like in past Amiga articles I posted. I tried to pre-emptively make an end to this as I see the same patterns as before. In the end you are not only making Amiga companies and its user community look foolish but yourself and the user community you try support or belong to as well. 2003-05-18 9:34 pm @Frodon: if your start posting here, the thread is likely to become MorphOS related ! 2003-05-18 9:37 pm But that’s exactly what I talked about in the moderated comment! The only mention of MorphOS was by you. Moreover, Dave didn’t post anything AGAINST OS4, he replied to the mention of the AmigaONE. I find that news item very interesting as I will buy OS4, but WHY must you mention MorphOS everywhere and then ask nobody else to repeat it? Anyway, feel free to moderate this or even delete it after you read it. 2003-05-18 9:39 pm @ Frodon There’s a pattern here. Take you for example, you do work for this rival company as well and are one of the most vocal people against AmigaOS4. Your website: http://web.asum.asso.fr/ If AmigaOS4 news is of no interest to you then why not just skip AmigaOS4 news? Trolling is not of use to anyone IMO. 2003-05-18 10:09 pm Jürgen Schober of point.design has revealed some dates for planned events: – June, 7th, BOF Multimedia Store, Ljubljana, Slowenia – June, 14th, Amiga Club Augsburg, Germany – June, 28th, BOF, Shopping-Center West, Graz, Austria – July, 5th, Amiga Alpe Adria, Udine, Italy – July, 5th, Amont Informatique, Toulouse, France People from the US may want to know that Amiga’s CEO & President will be attending the AmiWest show in Sacramento, CA on the 26th and 27th of July! http://www.sacc.org/amiwest/ 2003-05-18 10:20 pm I just want to know if this Amiga is worth getting excited about. I’m guessing a *complete* review of OS and hardware would be possible in 6 months? 2003-05-18 10:32 pm can I run OS X on a PC with a G4 board and CPU? Thank you. 2003-05-18 10:35 pm > I just want to know if this Amiga is worth getting > excited about. That would be dependent upon your personal interests. If you want something cheap and ready to compete (price-wise or applications-wise) with mainstream Wintel desktop systems, then likely not. A cheap mass production PPC Amiga homecomputer is not planned for after about a year (see Alan’s presentation). > I’m guessing a *complete* review of OS and hardware > would be possible in 6 months Personally I am very positive with regard to this and probably much sooner than that even. But note however that no official release date has been given yet, but AmigaOS4 advertising has already begun. http://simoami.com/images/banners/aos4banner.gif http://simoami.com/images/banners/aos4static.gif 2003-05-18 10:49 pm can I run OS X on a PC with a G4 board and CPU? Thank you. Yes you can ! For more info refer to “Building a cheap, ugly mac” ( http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/macosx2002/view/e_sess/3159 ) 2003-05-18 10:57 pm > can I run OS X on a PC with a G4 board and CPU? Thank > you. Microcode Solutions solutions may be the company to speak to, for providing a possible satisfying future solution. http://www.microcode-solutions.com/ This company originally designed Macintosh emulation solutions for the Amiga. Their iFusion software-only product (Released April of 2001) allows classic Amigas equiped with PPC accelerators to use MacOS9 with their classic hardware. In 2002 this company was also planning to release a hardware solution (a x86 based software emulator would probably be too slow, as OSX is quite a beast) for x86 PCs to emulate Macintoshes. Recently they have been very quiet however. At least I believe this is what you meant with “PC”, as there have been some Mac clones in the past as well. 2003-05-18 11:15 pm Its good news indeed … just to bad that the show skips Holland. Kees Witteveen Amiga.org 2003-05-18 11:33 pm Hoi Kees. 😎 AFAIK two Amiga-related events are planned for the Netherlands around June-July. So who knows maybe something can be worked out in the meantime. Augsburg is a bit far for me as well. Ron van Schaik contacted me some days ago, asking me if I could help him with his Amiga Party (28 juni). I can always ask Ben Hermans if he sees a possibility. (Computer City is said to be there and present the AmigaOne already) 2003-05-19 1:19 am Sounds like Amiga Inc still has to take a course in pro-active and forthright honesty: 1. What is going to ship? 2. When is it going to ship? 3. What are the factors that would case the ship date to slip? 4. What quality level can we expect in shipping product? And for the sake of all good things, clear up that mess with who is actually the CEO. 2003-05-19 1:52 am Since, as Ben Hermans himself has stated, several sections of OS4 are not yet completed, is there any list of what segments of OS4 will be demonstrated? 2003-05-19 4:46 am @ Micheal Despite knowing full well you are trolling here, I will answer as this may yield some interesting and useful information for other OSNews readers. > 1. What is going to ship? The AmigaOS4 feature list can be viewed at the following location (it has been publicly available for quite some time): http://os.amiga.com/os4/OS4Features.php > 2. When is it going to ship? According to the Frieden brothers, the engineers who amongst other things designed the core of this new OS: “When it is ready”. > 3. What are the factors that would case the ship date to > slip? Personal opinion: Direct meteor hit, WW3 or Armageddon. > 4. What quality level can we expect in shipping product? This is a very subjective question. There are quite a few people who think the quality level of Windows is pretty low, this despite the fact that the OS seems sufficient for a vast majority of people. > And for the sake of all good things, clear up that mess > with who is actually the CEO. Amiga Inc cannot be any more clearer than they already stated several times in public. The rumours started by competitors with regard to Amiga’s CEO & President Bill McEwen being fired is complete and utter nonsense. Bill McEwen is the CEO, was the CEO and will continue to be until is otherwise announced by Amiga Inc themselves. http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=430 2003-05-19 7:09 am I dont know what to say about this exactly. Forget about having this post make sense or have a point. I was an Amiga user back from the beginning. I still have a mostly functional Ami 1000. All these years, and even know I still get excited to see that ball and think Amiga! But I think now its too late. I mean its been years, and yes there has been development, but please, Linux is just comming into its own, Mac OSX is out, MS has a crappy license but rather functional product, can I really think about going with Amiga? The hardware, rather then the desktop made the Amiga. So another OS just doesnt seem to grab me the way it used to. Even back then it wasnt pretty, but it worked, and I got a cli as well. Amiga web sites always get me down, its like so much navigation to get anywhere, to learn anything. Or maybe I am dense, or maybe I dont keep up with it… Someone, oh please someone, tell me the point of Ami OS still going on? How is it going to be so much better then anything else without the specified hardware to back it? Am I supposed to think its like BeOS was supposed to be? Should I be thinking MacOS but better? Confused former Amiga user wishing to relive the glory days when a Mac went “eep” and a pc did nothing, and the Ami showed me videos in stereo, while rendering a 3d scene, 2003-05-19 7:33 am Hello, @Mike Bouma: “If AmigaOS4 news is of no interest to you then why not just skip AmigaOS4 news? Trolling is not of use to anyone IMO.” You assume too much. You just show that you simply don’t know me at all. I’m interested in every OS in this world. And particularly in AmigaOS (whatever version it is, so of course also 4.x), MorphOS, MacOS 9/X, BeOS, QNX, Linux, FreeBSD, AtheOS, AROS and any other OS I can try/test. If you had looked in macgeneration.com you’d have seen that i’m also a bit active in the Mac community for example. Regards 2003-05-19 8:41 am > Someone, oh please someone, tell me the point of Ami OS > still going on? Because there still is alot of interest from users, developers and other talented individuals. Thousands of Amigans still go to Amiga events each year and thousands still buy Amiga Magazines and equipement from one hunderd Amiga dealers worldwide. A German languaged Amiga news website like Amiga-News.de still receives over 7000 visitors on a daily basis and there are of thousands of active active Amiga website and forums around the web. Other reasons why AmigaOS is still going is because alot of developers feel very attached to the system. The AmigaOS’s structure, customization, modularity, responsiveness, openess, feature set and high performance on even very modest hardware also has a large part to do with this. 2003-05-19 9:07 am > You assume too much. You just show that you simply don’t > know me at all. Not personally, but I know your, Kronos’, Nathaniel’s, etc advocating against AmigaOS and for MorphOS. IMO it’s pretty hard to believe that there are only 600 people owning a Pegasos, as this small group of people at times seem to out-vocalize the millions of Macintosh users in comparison! My concern was that this would turn into yet another useless AmigaOS vs MorphOS thread, like there have been so many in the recent past. There have been dozens of Amigans contacting me with their support and concern regarding all the public fighting and therefor won’t participate anymore within forum discussions. This is sad, as this news item is specificly targeted at people with an heart for AmigaOS and not for a small group of rival supporters pushing forth their own agenda. Would you like it if Amiga users would troll en mass against the MorphOS/Pegasos review which is about to follow? This seems very unlikely to me as the Amiga user community seems alot calmer, but if this does happen be sure we will moderate abusive or completely off-topic messages down. I am sure many of you will post very positive pro-MorphOS messages in response to this review, but would it be OK for people to ridicule you for stating your opinions, like some of you do to Amiga users on Amiga forums? Have respect for eachother and the different points of views, stay calm as in the end it’s only a computer and nothing to base your dislike for people on. 2003-05-19 9:20 am Hello Mike, Ok, that’s fine. Well lets’ stop fighting each other just because I told you to avoid mentionning MorphOS if you don’t want another war (which is IMO logical and legitimate). As I said, I’m not just interested in MorphOS and I’m also interested in lot of other OS including of course AmigaOS 4. I’ll surely go to the presentation in Toulouse if I have time and money to do so (Toulouse is quite far from Paris). And if I can’t I’ll of course try to follow it and other presentation of OS 4 thanks to people who will report from it. So I comment on this thread because I’m also interested in AmigaOS 4, nothing else. Regards 2003-05-19 10:04 am > So I comment on this thread because I’m also interested > in AmigaOS 4, nothing else. If is was not for all the useless battles, IMO AmigaOS4 could have become an important driving force for the Pegasos platform, just like it was originally planned. IMO just like the AmigaOne, the Pegasos is an excellent hardware platform. Though I would not hold my breath, but who knows what the future might bring. IMO a strong unified Amiga community would be in the best interest of all Amiga-related companies. 2003-05-19 10:31 am “Though I would not hold my breath, but who knows what the future might bring. IMO a strong unified Amiga community would be in the best interest of all Amiga-related companies.” I agree on this … But i doubt it will happen soon. IMO its only getting worse that last few months. I see it like this … when nothing happend at all in the Amiga-scene a few years ago, everybody was saying the same thing: “we need new hardware and a new OS” Now … we have 2 new computers and 2 Operating systems and everybody shouts at eachother. The ideal situation would be for Eyetech and Genesi working together on the hardware side and Hyperion Entertaintment working together with the MOS dev-team. Kees Witteveen Amiga.org 2003-05-19 10:33 am He He, Just reading through the thread, and for some reason the stoning scene from the monthy python film “Life of Brian” comes to mind, just change the word Jehova for MorphOS. Seriously, it’s not the end of the world… 2003-05-19 3:00 pm If someone is going to commercially advocate an OS4.0 Preview (which costs time and money) and yet supply no factual information on OS4.0, it only reinforces the view that OS4.0 is still vaporware. Once again, I’d like to see some facts from the Amiga Inc people: 1. What is going to ship in OS4.0? 2. When is OS4.0 going to ship? 3. What are the factors that would case the ship date to slip? 4. What quality level can we expect in shipping OS4.0? Is it so much to ask that commercial posters actually add salient facts or are we back to the shameless hockster approach? 2003-05-19 5:04 pm but where is it, development-wise? Is it finished and it’s just being shown around to garner potential customer approval and generate excitement? I’m tired of waiting… not that I can afford an A1 w/ AOS4 setup right now, but… Luposian 2003-05-19 7:57 pm If you really want information that badly, have you tried e-mailing the people involved with OS4? Or are you content to sit and complain on a forum? I emailed Ben Hermans, and I got a very interesting reply… Ian 2003-05-20 6:41 am As an Amiga 1000 owner, I find it disheartening that Amiga Inc continues down the road of supplying little factual information to the Amiga community. The habit of moderating down posts that ask for factual information is Amiga Inc dark comedy at its best and certainly the sign of internal sickness. Just as Linux was the spiritual successor to UNIX, it seems MorphOS is the spiritual successor to AmigaOS. 2003-05-20 11:24 am “but where is it, development-wise? Is it finished and it’s just being shown around to garner potential customer approval and generate excitement?” Judging from a post by Ben Hermans yesterday, it is almost ready for use on PPC-equipped A4000s, but there is still some months of work ahead before it will be ready for the AmigaOne. “I’m tired of waiting… not that I can afford an A1 w/ AOS4 setup right now, but…” Start saving, and maybe it will be ready when you are.