TuxReports offers a peek at Ximian Desktop 2. I also installed XD2 just a few hours ago on my RHL9. Between 2 rcd random crashes (which brought Red Carpet down too) and 5 unresolved dependancies (metacity-devel, bonobo-devel etc), XD2 managed to install successfully. I only use it for a few hours, but it seems like a nice distribution of Gnome2 with added bonuses. It could have been even better though.
TuxReport Looks At Ximian Destkop 2
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Can we expect a review from Eugenia? And how is it possible that she installed it only a few hours ago? Not very much interested? 🙂
I installed XD2 2 days ago. I have had NO dependency problems, and so far no crashes, however the problem is that you have to download the whole thing. over a adsl line its rather large. (took an hour or 2 ). the installer gives yout he option of installing from a local copy BUT there is nowhere (that i found) where there is a description on what you need to download. with a 10mbit link at work i’d rather download it and install it on several machines at home rather then downloading it every time. Anyone got any clues?.
Apart from that, I fell in love with XD2, some things could be improved but there are always things that can be improved no matter what product from what vendor. I think XD2 is a big step to bring linux to the “john normal”. Its not fully there but its a good step.
>Can we expect a review from Eugenia?
No. I am trying to not write long articles anymore, as they are time consuming. I am only doing some newsbit reporting, which doesn’t take much time everyday (about 1 hour a day).
>And how is it possible that she installed it only a few hours ago? Not very much interested?
Not really. I didn’t have anything better to do tonight. Nothing interesting on TV, JBQ was playing on his Playstation2, I got bored and thought of messing up with Linux again.
best i like they criticize the trashing of kde desktop (thats usual at the moment with every gnome setup and vice versa) and inconsistencies in the menu layout. thumbs up – he didnt like that nautilus has no align to grid feature. i allways watch myself trying to get my desktop icons aligned. if the patch from 2.3 is ever to be backported i’d be an happy man.
How to add stuff to Ximian’s menu. There is a menu editor link in the control panel. All you have to do is create a launcher in the correct plave in the heirarchy and it comes up. I have already added a few items in the menu like that. I know 2 ways of adding stuff to the menu, and this guy goes on about how he couldn’t find a way to do it. Wonder how long he has used Linux.
typo in the title….there are multiple reports coming from tux
How to add stuff to Ximian’s menu. There is a menu editor link in the control panel. All you have to do is create a launcher in the correct plave in the heirarchy and it comes up. I have already added a few items in the menu like that. I know 2 ways of adding stuff to the menu, and this guy goes on about how he couldn’t find a way to do it. Wonder how long he has used Linux.
More likely he has never used windows, only KDE
So far, I’ve not been able to install this, and I must have tried some one hundred times. It always stops at 3 or 4 percent. I’ve tried on both Redhat and Suse. I’ve tried on both 1.5 and 3 meg connections. I’ve tried all the mirrows. Nothings works! Does anybody have any ideas on what could be wrong?
From what I’ve seen and heard so far though, I can only say that Ximian took way too long to roll out this product. Other than the changes to Ooo, there really isn’t much that should have taken this long. Releasing late is good, but if you are going to be doing that, you should at least make the long wait worth the while.
Does anybody know how to perform an installation from a local drive? I downloaded any single rpm, I mantained the directory hierarchy and tried to point to the parent directory, but the installer doesn’t want to work anyway!!!
It’s faster than regular gnome for me and stable. I haven’t had a single crash. It looks great and lots of little tweaks here and there. Very, very polished. Nice job, Ximian.
From what I’ve seen and heard so far though, I can only say that Ximian took way too long to roll out this product. Other than the changes to Ooo, there really isn’t much that should have taken this long. Releasing late is good, but if you are going to be doing that, you should at least make the long wait worth the while.
It was worth the while. The reason is called polish. We often ignore this in the Free Software world but polish takes time and expertise. I’m glad that Red Hat and Ximian are trying here, even though there are still problems (for example both Red Hat and Ximian seem to forget to update help files if they change preference panels….). Sure Ximian took a lot longer than Red Hat but they also have quite a few more changes, especially for corporate users. The print and network stuff for example is really important I assume, OOo isn’t easy to hack and they had to wait for Evolution 1.4.
As for the article, I’m still reading through it, it is so rediculous… I will comment on it next.
2 suggestions.
1. copy your downloaded rpms to /var/cache/redcarpet/packages/, or create smybolic links to them using
ln -s /path/to/ximian/rpms/*.rpm /var/cache/redcarpet/packages/
Do this for every package and then rerun the installer. If it need packages from your redhat cds, just copy the files to the same directory. This should work.
or, if you decide not to use the installer, like I did
2. Try installing Red-carpet first then installing everything else using red-carpet. if you do the simlinks like above, it should work with red-carpet too.
The first method gave me problems and I abandoned it.
grumble grumble “My Computer” icon grumble grumble wiped out MANY RedHat menu items grumble grumble “My Computer” icon grumble grumble..
Eugenia, sounds like you have some hardware problems. If I remember correctly, you’ve mentioned random crashes, that no one else gets, other times.
I’ve been running XD2 with no problems for a few days now. My biggest problem is that they didn’t include any of the redhat config utilites in system:///.
I don’t really feel like discussing the article in general, so here are just the mistakes and weirdnesses:
When you highlight the “More” option in one of the program menus, a new sub-menu appears to the right of its parent. However, if the menu is longer than the desktop, it overlaps with the top and bottom panels. It would be neater to have longer menus open across the span of the desktop and not overlap the panels.
Maybe someone needs to explain to me why menus overlapping panels are a problem?
The Programs => Accessories menu is also rather unpolished – when it is opened you can see both the panel and the desktop shining through a space and then, finally, the menu. The menus should be correctly aligned in order to avoid this. In addition, the top of the blue selection bar is actually higher than the top of the newly opened menu.
Submenus are slightly moved down, yes. I fail to see what’s wrong with that.
I checked Windows ME for a comparison and all of the menus were correctly aligned (even with the highlighted areas). However, there was an overlap over the bottom task bar – not even Microsoft programmers have realized that this is annoying yet.
Ok so let me get this straight. The usability teams of Microsoft, GNOME, Sun and Ximian (and I) are all wrong, but this author is right. Okay.
The position of mouse-over text in relation to the mouse cursor also needs to be changed. Sliding the mouse over the menu options results in text that is centered to the cursor. This leads to a situation in which there is an appearance of an ill-conceived pattern because the words span over multiple menu options. It would be better to have the text all sit to the right of the menu so that the two do not interfere with each other.
Show tooltips besides the menu instead of below the mouse pointer? Yeah right, must be great. The tooltip is already moved below the selected item so it doesn’t cover your view.
More importantly, not every option has mouse-over text, which seems like a rather unfortunate oversight.
Err… The only items I could find without a tooltip are those burried somewhere behind more. Those items did NOT come from Ximian and mostly are KDE applications (those don’t have an icon either on my system).
I have a few complaints about the arrangement of the menu items. First and foremost, the “Run Program” option is buried in the “System” menu, while I would prefer to have easily available in Actions, where it is more easily accessed.
What? Ximian uses “System” instead of “Actions”, so why is Action -> Run Program easier to access than System -> Run Program? And what does he suggest? That Ximian adds another menu called “Actions”?
However, the Administrator settings option is actually a menu that contains several options, while the Personal settings icon opens to a Settings window instead. Despite the fact that the icons in the Personal settings window are neatly laid out, it would be best if the two settings areas behaved in a similar manner.
It would be best in his opinion.
There are some inconsistencies in the way menus have been designed. Selecting the “Office” option produces a menu with the headings “Drawing”, “Presentation”, “Spreadsheet” and “Word Processor”. Below these entries is a horizontal line, followed by the options “Calculator”, “Personal Finance”, “Postscript Viewer”, “Project Management” and “More”, which gives access to GnuCash. The horizontal line made a nice touch of separating out the first four icons, but sadly this isn’t done in the other menus.
The separater clearly separates the important OpenOffice items from the rest of the office applications. Such a special situation doesn’t exist in other menus so they don’t use separaters anywhere else. Simple.
My biggest complaint with the menus, however, is the lack of icons for the KDE applications that were installed on my Red Hat Linux 9 machine.
Those didn’t have icons for me before Ximian either. This is rather a Red Hat issue, Ximian just uses what the distribution has installed there. If there are no icons, Ximian can show no icons!
The KDE menu option isn’t added to the bottom of the main Programs menu in the way that GNOME adds it to the bottom of the Applications menu.
Oh thank god!! It never showed anything useful for me because all the KDE applications I have installed are put into the main menu anyway. I always had only one item there (first it was the Real Player, later it was the mplayer which was installed in both menus by the autopackage) which sucks.
There are also postings in the support forum asking how to get rid of this menu so there must be some merit to it’s exclusion.
Linux and Main has already pointed out a serious shortcoming in XD2, and, in fact, in GNOME 2.x in general: “…the inability to easily add applications to the Ximian menu. In fact, while exploring on my own I found no way at all to do it, though I can’t imagine that it cannot be done.
I don’t know, I think it’s obvious that if you click on Personal Settings -> Menus, that those menus are supposed to be editable? But that’s just me.
Maybe it should be more obvious. Personally I found a few inconsitencies between the Nautilus applications:// view and the menu which are a bit annoying. One problem is that separaters are shown as unnamed files (which I deleted and now I don’t have separators anymore, that sucks!) and you can’t modify where they are shown. Positions seem to be hardcoded. The Ximian menu has Evolution and Galeon above the favorites menu. If you remove them, there will be two separators between favorites and system tools and if you add one to the root of the menu, it will be placed BELOW favorites. Not nice. I would also like to have easier ways to shift items from and to the more category and maybe a way to add an item to the favorites menu (so this doesn’t strike me as very useful).
All in all menu editing is still somewhat sucky, but certainly not non-existant.
Right clicking on the top panel brings up a menu, in which the words “Add to Panel” may be chosen to add applications. However, the menus available to add to the Panel do not seem to be complete, and, oddly, the Programs => Games menu wording is not used; rather an “Amusements” menu is available, and it only had Fish and Geyes as options.
Well… This genius confused applications with applets.
To add application launchers to the panel, you should try the “launcher from menu” submenu. Maybe the fact that he confused this shows that there is a discoverability issue.
The file manager is Nautilus 2.2.3.1, which renders file icons as previews by default. This is slow, painful, and annoying.
Uhm this can be easily disabled and is certainly more useful than annoying for most users.
In addition, Nautilus renders Web pages as text, and displays the actual HTML or PHP code instead of the page itself. I suspect that this is fine for new users because they will be using Galeon to surf the Internet.
Well, maybe Nautilus should show HTML pages rendered with Gecko by default, but certainly nobody should use Nautilus to surf the Internet. I don’t see what this has to do with “new users”.
I did complain that by default Nautilus opened without a side panel. Simply pressing on the F9 function key opened the side panel, but it is a personal preference to have this open by default.
At the moment, the side panel is more fancy stuff than incredibly useful (unfortunately?).
As for the KDE trashage… I can’t really comment on this but the problems seems to me, that GNOME icons and KDE icons aren’t compatible atm. Both Ximian and KDE use $HOME/Desktop though (and GNOME will soon) which leads to conflicts. There isn’t anything Ximian can do about this other than not using Desktop. Compatibility will soon be retained though because people are already working on common conventions for special desktop files like Home or Trash.
I didn’t think that the fonts looked that good. I hate to say it but Arial is nice and even though the idea is to have the “OpenOffice/Bitstream combination … produce documents that look the same whether opened in OpenOffice or in Word”, it didn’t happen.
This is ONLY in the professional edition. The free edition will only include the bitstream fonts which are great but not MS compatible.
How he can say “I didn’t think that the fonts looked that good” is beyond me, but I’ll have to leave him his opinion. Personally, I don’t know any free available font that even comes close to Vera (I don’t even think that Arial looks better or I just can’t tell the difference anymore) and you can’t expect non-free fonts from a free download.
After installing Ximian Desktop 2 I asked myself, Why would a GNOME user switch to XD2? The answer I came up with was: An experienced GNOME and GNU/Linux user will never want to switch to XD2.
Woah, rediculous. How can he make such a claim and state it as a fact. XD2 is certainly not perfect, but it’s definately better than plain GNOME 2 and even slightly better than the Bluecurve desktop (with nice touches, some visual, some practical) and considering that it comes for absolutely free, how can any true GNOME freak decline this offer? How can it be a bad deal?
Unless you want to install the latest and greatest unstable software, XD2 is a really kick ass desktop, with minor flaws.
My biggest problem is that they didn’t include any of the redhat config utilites in system:///.
But they are in System -> Administrator Settings.
Works just fine in XD2. Go to the Personal Settings, then click on “Menus”. You can now add menu launchers wherever you like. First time this has worked for me in any Gnome2 desktop I have ever tried in any distribution.
[quote]All in all menu editing is still somewhat sucky, but certainly not non-existant.[/quote]
I agree with most of your post, but you ‘can’ edit the menu by right clicking on it and selecting “Entire menu” and then selecting “new menu item” or something to that effect. That way, you can choose where your menu goes in a most logical way. I think that is pretty good. No need really for a separate menu editor IMO.
This horrible looking link: http://support.ximian.com/cgi-bin/ximian.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.ph…
Should tell you what you need. Alternatively, do a search for “mirror” on the Ximian support site and it is about the fourth thing down (“What files do I need when installing from local media?”).
However, there appears to be a bug that means the installer needs to download heaps of stuff anyway. *Apparently* all these things are RPMs that actually ship with RedHat but may not be installed on the machine and they can be installed from your Redhat install media – I haven’t been able to test this yet though.
Sorry, no idea if the same problem exists installing to SUSE 8.2.
I was able to get it installed a couple day’s ago after I did a clean install of RH9. Installed after a long time of connection drops and what not. Anyway, it break apt-get. IMHO, that’s not good. The only way to save RH from Dependency problems is through apt-get. Yes, YUM works, but there are less repository’s and I don’t like to be limited.
Needless to say, a couple hours of use, I droped it and went back to my hacked up install.
I think the auther makes very good point’s. To a usual Linux user, WE don’t want it. For sys admin’s who install it on windows converts in the work enviroment it could very well help them out.
People need to realize Ximian is for Corprate clients or noobs. That is why it is only available for RH and SuSE. I don’t see why there going to do MDK, maybe because it’s very close to RH who knows, who cares.
I dunno, but I think that is a problem with apt. I think red-carpet is slightly better at dependency resolution for rpm than apt. If things were really as bad as apt says, (Wants to remove Ximian Gnome), the computer should not even work.
I tried Sparks advice on the thread when XD2 was first released and it worked like a charm.
1. Run the installer. When it gets to the point of telling you which packages are going to be installed find all the ones that don’t end in “ximian”.
2. Install those packages from you distro’s package installer or manually if you prefer.
3. Close the installer and start it again.
4. when you get to the package installation screen again you should see that there are no packages that end in “ximian”.
5. Also I would choose the closest mirror.
Don’t if that is what your problem is but it was my problem. The installer always goes to ximian.com and not the mirror for packages that do not end in “ximian”. The speed for those is terrible and normally times out.
Hope that helps, not sure if it will though.
I disagree, red-carpet doesn’t have all the software you can get from apt repositroy’s.
The reason apt wants to remove Ximian Gnome is because it’s not in the repoistory’s.
It’s like adding to repository’s that have the same software, just different versions. Fresh & Fedor’s don’t play nice together.
This always happens whenever a new desktop environment gets released… new eye candy, yet another “new” way of organizing the launch menu (which personally, I find irritating: I want to see “OpenOffice Writer,” not “Word Processing”) blah blah blah… and yet, still no tight integration with printers, removable media, scanners, USB devices… etc. To me, these are the huge unsolved issues with desktop Linux– everything else is just fluff. I want to be able to plug in a USB printer and see it “pop up” somewhere on my desktop. That’s really not asking all that much.
Kudos for the integrated SMB browser, though… that’s definitely a huge step in the right direction.
If you are trying to download XD2 you should try the bitTorrent link. (It comes with a Readme, which you should read once it’s downloaded). The Torrent link is:
http://www.fishysnax.com/xd2-rh9.torrent
If you don’t know what BitTorrent is you can go here:
http://bitconjurer.org/BitTorrent/
It is a way that you can dowload a file and the more people that are downloading the faster the download goes. I downloaded it last night w/out any problems.
True, my main issues with menu editing are those nameless separators, inconsistencies (for example right now when I launch applications:// I have Gimp in Graphics but it’s not in the “real” menu and that’s not the only example) and that I can’t easily move an item from “more” into the main menu (either by direct drag and drop or with the context menu). It’s a bit of a PITA to open the menu editor window each time I just want to move an item around. Then again, ideally this would work automatically anyway (with only unused applications in the “more” menu).
One rather annoying issue with XD2 is, that it shows “floppy” in lower case.
That’s quite an embarassing mistake for a polished desktop.
I installed it on a fresh SuSE install– didn’t see a thrashing of KDE once xd2 was installed.. perhaps it’s a XD2+rh9 problem. Hope they fix it.
Anyway, as for the desktop itself, it’s nice, but I don’t see that many improvements over vanilla gnome or kde. I’ll keep on using vanilla gnome (and kde) on gentoo instead of suse+xd2 for now.
I honestly liked gnome 2.3.2 better. It was unstable (2.3.1 was much stabler), but it actually seemed to have more polish than xd2.
Well, not a guru but not a newbe either. Using various distros since around 1997, and I’m a linux admin for an actual profitable hosting company…we use a custom tweaked Slackware solution on everything, no xwindows.
I love XD2. Getting the software connection-wise was a pain & slow, but hey for free I ain’t complainin’ !! If I were to shell out the $99, their ‘priority’ servers would likely remedy that. The install was painless, smooth & have had no crashes, anomalous behavior. On RH9 boxes here. It looks great & the Ximian desktop seems quite a bit snappier than the default RH Bluecurve one. Sprea the monkey luv
Great job Ximian !!
But why would it remove it. I have installed software before which was not in the repository and it didn’t want to remove it. I don’t know, it was a guess. I have had the problem with apt and Red-carpet where each wanted to upgrade the others’ packages. Anyway, I think if red carpet would decentralize, then maybe we could get freshrpms on red-carpet with their own channel.
I think it is because it compares it to what it thinks GNOME should be, whether that’s thourgh md5sum or some other method, it just say’s NO, I don’t want to and I’m not going to do it.
It would be nice if red-carpet would add some apt repository’s from both RH and SuSE, but I think since it’s aimed at the Corprate Desktop. They don’t care if you have the latest DVD & MP3 tools. That’s a bit of a stretch, but I think you get the point.
On my system at least, it thinks there is a conflict between DB1 and DB3, and to repair it it has to remove all the packages that depend on DB1 (most of XD2).
I’ve installed also XD2 on my RHL 9 box. It worked flawlesly, but you know, you have to use the ximian installer. Again, one of those smart guys…
Riight, subscribe to the users list and see how many people are having problems. I had to ftp the packages and rpm -Uvh them and work through conflict hell to get it installed on *2* RH9 systems.
I agree. I am one of those. I basically quit the installer and installed it through red carpet. It seemd to handle itself much better. With red-carpet I mounted the directories with redhat packages as channels for red carpet and downloaded the entire contents of the Ximian XD2 mirror. Then I installed it. It gave some problems though because using a download manager to download the packages gave me some errors as some packages were corrupted during the download. I had tried the rpm -Uhv route, but that was too slow. Red carpet at least knew the packages to look for if they were missing.
i must admit that i’m disappointed.
first of all, as some other people mentioned, installation was/is a _real_ pita! not just that the mirrors were all too busy, but if i had 100-200 mb or so, if installations stucked, several times the installer completely erased the cache, so letting me begin at zero again. also, the trick with manually downloading the xd2-files from the ftp and then installing via mounting of the resp. directory with red carpet didn’t work for me-not just that it freezed if i marked all files for install, it also needed to download tons of additional files which again (due to the overcorwded servers) left me helpless and _very_ frustated.
after finally being able to install xd2, the disappointments continued (all points below are just afaik)
– openoffice takes still 40-50 sec. to load on my machine (office xp=5-10 sec.).
– the only files one can remotely access on a windowsmachine are textfiles, no streaming files (yes, i know, xd2 is meant for businesses, but nevertheless it would have been nice).
– the mainmenue is _so_(too) big, as well as the xd2-view-defaultscales seem to made for people with serious eye-problems (of course it’s important to take care of the needs of those people also, but it shouldn’t be the defaultlook imo), and one can’t make it smaller in scale afaik. also, some icons are really to toyish, especially for a corporate desktop!
– related to the point above, one thing that just sucks in gnome is that you have to change the scale of view separatly for all folders within nautilus. it would be much better if you needed to make your choice just one time.
– also, on desktop there’s still no “snap-to-grid” or a good resizing for the symbols like “very small, small…” like for the panels.
– mozilla, while similar in looks to xd2, still seems to use the old rh9-fonts, not the nice new ones like galeon does (why?). galeon, on the other hand, has some strange behaviours like if you doubleclick on the adressbar, it just marks a part of the adress, not all of it so that one can simply overwrite the current adress with a new one-this sucks just big time!
so it basically really just comes down to a more consistent look and the possibility to open documents on windows-pcs.
wow.
all in all, it’s too less and would’ve expected more polishing over the ordinary gnome-desktop.
so let’s wait and hope for rh10/gnome 2.3 or kde 3.2…
It looks very nice but….
1. Evolution crashes when I check Pop3 mail (been reported)
2. The Mozilla mail toobar shows up 4 times.
http://members.cox.net/s.wingate/images/xd2-rh9-moz-mail-toolbar.jp…
3. My Lexmark Z52 printer added using redhat-printer-config doesn’t work after XD2. Adding it again using XD2’s wizard doesn’t print.
Items 1 & 3 are deal breakers for me. The only reason I have RH installed at all is because I can’t print from BSD. I think I’m going to remove it this weekend and just keep the Industrial theme.
>> The article sayeth: “The students want to stick in a floppy from their Windows machine, open their files, and work. It’s a pain to have to type some commands to mount the floppy for these students — and to have to remind them to unmount the floppy before pulling it out of the machine.”
Good god, what prehistoric distro is this guy making his students use? Even the first linux distro I ever used (Caldera OpenLinux…ick) mounted floppy disks simply by clicking on the floppy disk icon, and you never had to unmount them manually. The same has been true for my experiences with Lycoris, Red Hat 8 and Mandrake 9. The poor students are probably using a distro from 1998.
– related to the point above, one thing that just sucks in gnome is that you have to change the scale of view separatly for all folders within nautilus. it would be much better if you needed to make your choice just one time.
– also, on desktop there’s still no “snap-to-grid” or a good resizing for the symbols like “very small, small…” like for the panels.
Try Edit -> Preferences in Nautilus…
Snap to grid is coming (already there in latest unstable Nautilus).
so it basically really just comes down to a more consistent look and the possibility to open documents on windows-pcs.
Because they couldn’t make OpenOffice load instantly and you don’t like the icons? You aren’t exactly fair here.
I purchased and installed Ximian the first day it came out and I have had no problems at all. Everything just worked.
I am running Red Hat 9 with a few multimedia RPMS (mplayer, xine) installed from freshrpms.net.
Maybe users are running apt and having dependency problems? I don’t run apt, choosing Yum instead if I want to install from freshrpms.
> Eugenia, sounds like you have some hardware problems. If I remember correctly, you’ve mentioned random crashes, that no one else gets, other times.
First of all, you make the assumption that I only have one machine here. I have 11.
Second of all, the crashes I reported once was for the nvidia 3D driver which doesn’t play well with the VIA chipset (*known* problem to nvidia engineers). I don’t use the NVidia’s drivers anymore, I use the XFree86 “nv” one. The crashes of rcd are real crashes, have nothing to do with my system or my hardware.
> I’ve been running XD2 with no problems for a few days now.
I never said I had problems with XD2. I said I had problems with Red Carpet.
XD feels a little bit faster than vanilla gnome, but if you Afeel that Gnome looks great, but feels slightly too slow, try XFCE4. It looks very much like Gnome (also based upon GTK+2), but it’s as quick and responsive as WindowMaker. I tried the latest beta, and it’s stable and robust.
I finally managed to get this installed. This would maybe have been great 12 months ago. The icon work is retrograde, that’s for sure
So, do all of you who have complained about this article feel better? Has it made you feel superior? Can you sleep better at night now?
Good for you !
Now, I’ve offered others the opportunity to write their own articles and no one (NO ONE) has taken me up on this offer. I’ve even offered money.
It seems the majority of you just want to bitch and complain about what someone else has written. You wouldn’t DARE take a chance to expose yourself in the same manner as Eugenia, myself, my daughters, Joe Barr, or any of the other writers who DARE to write about their opinions or experiences with a Linux application. You couldn’t stomach what you dish out.
The funny part (AND I mean FUNNY) is that the complaints from one publication from the other day said the “review” lacked opinions — and NOW the complaints on this one is the “review” was too opinionated. ROTFLOL.
Have a great day !
Whoa, there, LPH and Team Tux.
You are right, but man, if you put yourself out there you gotta have a thicker skin than that. Sure, people complained unnecessarily about your article, but you really shouldn’t let it get to you like that. And don’t post about it!
– openoffice takes still 40-50 sec. to load on my machine (office xp=5-10 sec.).
Hogwash.
* PIII-667, 256MB ram
* Time to splash screen: 1.7s
* Time to writer (first load): 14s
* Time to writer (subsequent): 7s
I realize perception is widely different, but don’t spread the FUD. Take the time to check the facts.
“You are right, but man, if you put yourself out there you gotta have a thicker skin than that. Sure, people complained unnecessarily about your article, but you really shouldn’t let it get to you like that. And don’t post about it!”
You’ll find my skin is extremely thick – but my skull is thicker
Hey, ya know what? The people who post the stuff should have thick skin too. Otherwise they shouldn’t post. They should take their own advice. They keep telling me to not write – so I’m just letting them see themselves in the mirror.
Say now, look at what happened to Eugenia. She was posting GREAT articles. People kept attacking and she finally got tired of it. Now, she will only post shorter things. We are now going to miss out because of a few loud jerks !
Besides, I only matched their response – so they should be able to take it. And don’t worry. I’m really not pissed about those who pointed out mistakes. I’m actually in a great mood and don’t mind the editing stuff. I’m just not a good writer – so the words don’t always match my thoughts.
In other words, sorry to anyone who was in a good mood. If that post of mine was too harsh – I was just being sarcastic in some ways and firing bullets in others. Rat a tat tat. Take cover LPH is on the loose!
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“I realize perception is widely different, but don’t spread the FUD. Take the time to check the facts.”
i always like if people know things about my pc better than i do although they never have seen or even used it before.
i’ve a pIII-m 600 and 128 mb ram, and although i know that having rel. little amount of ram might be a factor in the long loadingtime of oo on linux (btw, trust me that 50 sec. _is_ a fact), oo (takes 10-20 sec. _without_ the preloader) as well as office xp for windows are loading _much_ faster on the same machine!