X-bit labs published a story regarding ATI being profitable and managing to raise its gross-margins and revenues substantially. The Radeon 9600 sold so well that the company can’t even fulfil the demand.
ATI Announces Excellent Results for 3rd Quarter
2003-07-02 Graphics 22 Comments
I really do belive that ATI is doing much much better than nVidia atm. – community wise, and I think that if they keep up there current effort (in drivers, products and community response) they should be set for a stable future.
Ofcorse, one day they will be overtaken by a smaller company, with a much more innovative product – Bitboys?
Radeon 9600? Hmm, I find that strange, as it is way underperformed by 9500.
One can only hope that they made enough money to start working on some Linux drivers for their cards. There was a story on Slashdot a few days ago about ATi pulling all support and drivers for my OS of choice.
I’m not buying an ATi card until they start offering good Linux drivers or release full specs for their cards.
Competition is good, but ATi and nVidia are only competing on Windows. nVidia is number one on Linux.
The only reason why AmigaOne uses Radeons is because ATI gives documentation. NVidia doesn’t. And to imply that a Amiga evangelist (heh) would post this story because of Amiga would be absurd – Radeons are also widely used in PCs and Macs. Far far more than AmigaOnes.
ATi also gave some info to BeOS driver developer. nVidia gives NOTHING.
Next time i’ll buy gfx card it will be ATi (or something new with open docs and good performance), and i’m 100% sure it will not be nVidia.
it should be ATI not ATi, sorry
Radeon 9600? Hmm, I find that strange, as it is way underperformed by 9500.
I just bought ati9500 Pro 128mb for only $115 and last two weeks ago I bought GeForce Ti4200 128mb dual head for only $75.. 🙂
GeForce Ti4200 is for FreeBSD machine.
ati9500 is going to be for WinXP machine for my bro and game stuff for me too..
What I dislike about Nvidia’s newest video card is.. It is huge and take much space such as two slots and etc, when Ati managed to keep it very small and outperforme Nvidia. But, I love Nvidia’s nForce chipest.
ATi also gave some info to BeOS driver developer
Where have you heard this? Last I heard Thomas was having trouble getting decent specs for anything over the Radeon 9000. I would kill for accelerated 2D on my 9700 Pro under BeOS.
Last I checked ATI had decided not to release specs for the > 9000 cards at this point, but I might be wrong.
“Competition is good, but ATi and nVidia are only competing on Windows. nVidia is number one on Linux.”
The way I see it, the number one spot is still open. Nvidia drivers hang the machine when swithing virtual consoles, and have done so for years. I have searched the web so I know I’m not the only one having this problem. I agree though that on Linux, nvidia is the preferred choice to ATI.
I don’t have anything against ATi. I really like their hardware. But unless they bring their linux drivers up to the quality set by nvidia, I won’t even consider getting one.
That said, I don’t usualy buy top-end hardware, so even though nvidia is currently ‘slower’ at the high end, I won’t notice, since their mid-range cards are just fine.
I have been a long time ATI supporter and my Nvidia friends think I’m nutz. Did ATI ever support linux the way it should. If ATI isn’t going to support linux drivers, how can they expect I buy one?
It seems simple to me. Provide good drivers (Nvidia provides good drivers) for all the chipsets, new and old alike.
who else makes top end video cards besides ATI and Nvidia?
Glad to see ATI doing so well. Maybe we should organise a petition or something, asking for better linux support.
right, they dont want to help with newest chipsets AFAIK, but they helped with older right? It’s 100% more help than nVidia gives anyway
Matrox? 3D Labs?
“chrish announced excellent results with his Sapphire Radeon 9700 card today while doing important gaming research…”
The 9700 (non-Pro) I picked up a few months ago is fantastic; I’m very impressed with its speed, features, and, most importantly, it’s incredible image quality.
Go ATI! Go nVidia! Keep each other on their toes! 😉
If you search the web for information on building reliable Windows PCs, you always come back to the same results – ” for reiability use nVidia ” – from the same people who tend to recommend nVidia chipsets for athlon CPUs, and Creative Labs soundcards.
Granted, some big-name manufacturers ( Apple and Dell ) ship ATi cards but it seems in the reputation stakes at least ATi has a long way to go. I for one won’t buy hardware that has a dubious reputation or the hint of one.
I don’t think that I would ever buy Nvidia becuase they have been nortoriously unfriendly with smaller developers and such. ATI had problems with drivers in the past, but every review I have read finds the drivers extrememly stable now. I can see that even ATI might be a little slow releasing the specs on the current cutting edge video cards, but unlike Nvidia, they eventually come through.
Then this crap about Nvidia and EA developing games with exclusive content for Nvidia cards is kinda scary. It looks like Nvidia has learned a bit working with MS. Every month MaximumPC rags on Nvidias new noisy tornado card..hahaha..
my new mac has an ATI9000
just bought a 9200 for my PC.
bought a 7000 for my BeOS machine.
wifes latop has ATI mobility
I’ll keep recommending ATI to anyone as long as they keep making decent products and are friendly to developers.
ATI is one of the few companies that has always provided complete specifications and hardware samples to SciTech for developing our UniVBE, SciTech Display Doctor and now SciTech SNAP Graphics technologies. We are close to the first release of SNAP Graphics on Linux, and we will be supporting all ATI hardware from the original Mach64 right up to the latest ATI Radeon 9800 Pro (and their laptop chipsets).
So for those waiting for good Linux drivers will soon not have to wait too long 😉
And for those BeOS folks who would love to have accelerated Radeon support under BeOS, take a look at the SciTech SNAP SDK and see if someone can work on a port to BeOS. If the SciTech SNAP SDK is ported to BeOS, our existing drivers should function unchanged on that platform.
releasing drivers under GPL for ATI or NVIDIA would mean financial disastor considering how seriously they engineer their drivers to outperform one another–look at the recent 3D Mark 2001se scandal with NVIDIA.
I THINK (I’m guessing) you’ll see excellent support for these cards later on, when they’re no longer as competitive–If ATI would GPL their driver, nvidia would buy 1 ATI card, grab the source and try to use whatever they could in their own card–while this sounds great for the end user, it means financial suicide for ATI.
This is just me guessing, I realise that 95% of the people reading OSNews won’t agree with me, but think about it, there are NO volunteers working for ATI–The best you could hope for is someone to write a driver from scratch–or to write an linux driver under a closed-source license.
I suspect some of this can be attributed to their “open” approach to card specs. It allows a lot of people on many platforms make drivers and increases the user-base. Then of course there is the other reason, that ATI cards rock!
ATI seems to be doing great in my mind, but I will not be buying their cards unless they can impress me with support for Linux as Nvidia has done. They release Linux drivers the same day as they do windows drivers, which I’m sure makes the linux community feel acknowledged. Running Linux myself, I’ve never had problems with NVidia’s binary (yes, binary only, yet understandable) drivers, and performance has been satisfactory.
ATI on the otherhand has had the image of neglecting Linux, only recently (?) releasing official drivers for hardware acceleration.
If you’re on a windows box only, ATI does some good work; I am reccomending to my brother the ATI 9100 128MB, as it provides some great performance for an incredible price; it really is a great fit for the price tier that the Geforce4 TI4200 occupies.