Home > Opera > Opera 7.20 Released Opera 7.20 Released Submitted by linares 2003-09-24 Opera 42 Comments The popular alternative web browser from Opera Software today reached version 7.20. About The Author David Adams Follow me on Twitter @david_adams 42 Comments 2003-09-24 5:03 pm I’ve been using Beta 7 of Opera 7.20 on Redhat 9 for a few weeks now, and it’s crashed exactly once. I don’t use the integrated mail client, but the browser has no problems even when using many tabs and plugins. (Flash even installed/runs completely without issue!) This has little to do with the current release, but I just thought I’d mention it: One of my favorite features (of all opera versions) is the simple numpad +/- to zoom in and out on pages. Oh, one final aside–back in opera 6 days, I downloaded the dynamic qt version, and it was quite unstable. After switching to the static version, the browser stabilized greatly. I don’t know if/how much this has improved in the current version, as I’ve been grabbing the statically linked version since. If you have any stability issues, I’d suggest you do the same. 2003-09-24 5:06 pm I’m using Opera 6.05, the latest Opera version I know that still uses the common underlined letter shortcuts on menus; Mozilla and IE also use them, most apps use them, in fact not using them is the exception. But they were not present in the latest Operas, and they couldn’t be activated from Opera’s Preferences panel (AFAIK). Do not confound with Opera Keyboard Shortcuts (Alt+P, F12, F4, P, X, …etc), I’m talking about underlined letters on menus. I guess I’m going to have to download it and check it out by myself, however I would appreciate to be told by someone who is installing Opera 7.20 now. 2003-09-24 5:14 pm I’m using Opera 7.20 on Windows 2000. The underlines show up only after you press the Alt key (the same is probably true for earlier versions). I think the hiding of the menu-underlines is actually a Windows setting, not an Opera one. 2003-09-24 5:18 pm (in Win2K: Display properties / Effects / Hide keyboard navigation indicators until I use the Alt key) 2003-09-24 5:21 pm It’s the only closed source application I truly see as being worth it’s price and worth the fact that it’s closed source. It’s startup time beats the pants of Mozilla and is a bit faster than FireBird even. Other than that it’s render time is insanely quick. And despite what other people say, I find it renders to standards more than Mozilla. I used to do lots of web design, and Mozilla would give me some of the same problems that IE would quite frequently — there were always small work arounds you could do to fix them, but the fact is, I shouldn’t have to. Particularly when I’m dealing with some very strict numbers. Another thing I like about opera is the built in google search, (or other search for that matter). Overall I think this is quite possibly one of the most quality closed source apps I’ve ever had the pleasure of using. Long live opera. 2003-09-24 5:21 pm There is a D/L for 8.1 specifically and a general Suse (QT) *rpm — I’ve gone for the latter one (for my Suse 8.2 Pro) and it won’t work… 🙁 2003-09-24 5:23 pm Pj, hiding the upper ***bar*** underlines by way of pressing ALT is certainly a feature that Microsoft Windows implements. I knew that, that wasn’t my concern. Click on any of the titles on that upper bar and check out if there are any underlines on the menus. Or right-click with the mouse and see if that menu has underlines. Ulterior versions after Opera 6.05 did not display underlines on menus. Thanks. 2003-09-24 5:25 pm Someone should mention only the Windows 7.2 seems to be released… I went to the Linux page and it still says stable is 7.11. 2003-09-24 5:32 pm I’m not sure if there is something specific you’re looking for…. If I press Alt, I do see underlines in BOTH the menus and submenus. If I use the mouse (even with the microsoft feature turned off), no underlines show up in the submenus. The same is true if I right click. 2003-09-24 5:33 pm Go Opera! Opera is so fast and gestures are extraordinary. I don’t know how v7.20 compares to v7.11. However I usually find Windows version much more stable and snappier than the linux one. But compared to Mozilla/FireBird etc. it’s clearly ahead. Because of its seamless gestures (Optimoz plug-in was not working properly) and its unbeatably fast render speed. I just don’t understand why its default look and skin is so ugly though. I use it with the Odyssey skin downloaded from my.opera.com and it looks better than aything else. 2003-09-24 5:41 pm I see, there are no underlines in Opera 7.20. I use the right-click underlines A LOT, and not having them is a pain in the ass (in the hands really). I guess this is a GUI decision Opera made after 6.05, a UI genius decided that was cleaner or something. Thanks again. 2003-09-24 5:58 pm “I see, there are no underlines in Opera 7.20. I use the right-click underlines A LOT, and not having them is a pain in the ass (in the hands really). I guess this is a GUI decision Opera made after 6.05, a UI genius decided that was cleaner or something.” Can you please describe what *exactly* it is you’re talking about? Perhaps give a key input sequence you used during Opera 6 that doesn’t work during Opera 7? I don’t know what the hell “right-click underlines” are, but Opera certainly underlines the letters one can use to activate a menu from the keyboard after pressing the Alt key. Mozilla simply keeps them underlined all the time. Here’s a screen shot for comparison: http://fails.org/underlines.png What underlines are you talking about? 2003-09-24 6:12 pm For people who want the cutting edge Opera browser (and the sometimes unexpected behavior that comes with beta testing), the MyOpera forums usually link to a newer beta than the downloads page. I’ve been using Linux 7.20 B12 for a few days now. I have not heard any mention of 7.20 final for Linux, yet… 2003-09-24 6:15 pm Fast forward/rewind now parse the ALT tags of images. Now if only they’d make referrer logging work properly with fast forward/rewind. By the way, why is this story under “Internet” instead of “Opera Software”? 2003-09-24 6:20 pm Give us a link then! 2003-09-24 6:21 pm >By the way, why is this story under “Internet” instead of “Opera Software”? It is now. David forgot that we had an Opera icon. 2003-09-24 6:23 pm Latest Linux snapshot: http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/7.20-Beta-12/intel-linux/ 2003-09-24 6:35 pm …and more: http://snapshot.opera.com/unix/7.20-Beta-12/ 2003-09-24 8:01 pm Besides the fast forward/rewind thing? 2003-09-24 8:06 pm I used to use opera a while back (3.0? 4.0?), but it became my browser of choice about 6 months ago. The only problem I have is forum login cookies…they don’t tend to save…Other than that, it’s great! 2003-09-24 8:07 pm They put the links to the newest Linux betas in their forums, not their download pages. The latest beta can always be found as a sticky thread at the top of their Linux forum: http://my.opera.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?forumid=3 I’ve been using beta 12 since yesterday and it seems very stable so far. 2003-09-24 8:29 pm Quote Can you please describe what *exactly* it is you’re talking about? Perhaps give a key input sequence you used during Opera 6 that doesn’t work during Opera 7? I don’t know what the hell “right-click underlines” are, but Opera certainly underlines the letters one can use to activate a menu from the keyboard after pressing the Alt key. Mozilla simply keeps them underlined all the time. En Quote Bascule, trying to describe those underlines is exactly what I tried to do in the previous posts. I’ll give it another try, but nevermind, don’t want to make a fuss out of this -missing in action- little feature I use so much. As I said to pj, pressing the ALT key activates/desactivates the underlines of the upper bar menu, I knew that and wasn’t asking about that. Forget about the upper bar, forget about ALT. Right-click with your mouse to open the Right-click Menu. The Opera browser, as all other Web standardized browsers, displays four different Right-click Menus depending on where you Right-click: – Window Right-click Menu, – Link Right-click Menu, – Image Right-click Menu, – and Intro Box Right-click Menu (where we write this). For example, on one of those Right-click Menus, I can right-clik over an image, press the underlined letter L, and -Copy link address-. Or right-click over a link, press the underlined letter N, and -Open in new window-. Other ways to do the same thing ***without the cited underline shortcuts*** are: Ctrl+Shift+C (Copy link address), and Shift+Click (Open in new window). I am describing these underline shortcuts within Opera 6.05. Mozilla has different underline shortcuts. In Mozilla when you right-click over a link, the underlined letter shortcut to -Open Link in New Window- is the letter W. In MS Internet Explorer, right-clicking over a link, the underlined letter shortcut to -Open New Window- is N. After version 6.05, Opera appears to have modified its browser GUI getting rid of these underlined letter shortcuts, they are non-existent. You can Shift+Click to open the link in a new window, but no more right-clicking over the link and pressing the letter N. Weird, after 6.05 they are not anywhere, they can not be activated from the Preferences panel, and no, they aren’t activated/desactivated either by pressing ALT (that’s for the upper menu bar). They simply have dissapeared from Opera’s GUI. Again, do not confuse with Opera Keyboard Shortcuts (Alt+P, F12, F4, P, X, …etc), I’m talking here about underlined letters on Right-click Menus. And that’s what I was asking for, “has Opera 7.20 got back underlines???” Pj gave me the answer: No. Nevertheless, I’ll give it a try. 2003-09-24 8:52 pm Has anyone else had problems with LinuxHomepage.com. Opera seems to think it needs to keep refreshing the page every 3 seconds. I thought the beta would resolve this issue, but if others are having a problem with this ill put up a bug report. 2003-09-24 8:54 pm Opera 7.11 is incompatible w/the Lexis-Nexis database and is thus of little use to me. It’s quite amazing that they’d let such a problem with one of the major Web sites on the net go by, esp. considering that colleges are some of the primary users of the browser. I haven’t tried 7.2x on it yet, though. 2003-09-24 9:14 pm I forgot the E-mail Right-click Menu. – Window Right-click Menu, – Link Right-click Menu, – Image Right-click Menu, – Intro Box Right-click Menu – E-mail Right-click Menu 2003-09-24 9:34 pm The underlined letters are present on the Linux version of Opera 7.20 B12… I can check the Windows version when I get home. In the context menu for a link, hitting ‘n’ opens the link in a new window and hitting ‘p’ opens the link in a new page. Perhaps these were removed temporarily in the Opera 7 codebase, as it was heavily refactored. Were you trying this in a beta version of Opera 7? Whichever version you were using, this problem has been addressed in Opera 7.20. 2003-09-24 10:29 pm After version 6.05, Opera appears to have modified its browser GUI getting rid of these underlined letter shortcuts, they are non-existent. You can Shift+Click to open the link in a new window, but no more right-clicking over the link and pressing the letter N. This works for me in 7.20 for FreeBSD. Either this has been removed in the Windows version, or you didn’t try the newest version. 2003-09-24 11:16 pm Sh*t!, second time I have to write this all over, tinkering inside Opera I choosed User mode and bye-bye comment. Ok let’s go at it again, just installed Opera version 7.20, running Windows XP Professional 2002. Top Banner advertising a Free Personal Horoscope; blonde looking askance, unconvincingly trying very hard to be a sexy-click-on-me magnet (the 6x version key is obviously not valid for the 7x). No underlined shortcuts anywhere (except on the upper bar menu). They are not on the upper bar sub-menus, and they are neither on the context menus (right-clicking). As I said, in the Opera 7x series they are nonexistent, gone. Once more I have gone through all the Preferences panel settings. If there is a method for activating underlined shortcuts, it sure is well hidden under the hood. Another little annoyance on the Opera 7x series, is that unlike in 6.05 I can not deactivate icons on menus and on the address bar. In 6.05 I can choose Just Text and all the stinky icon-art goes away. The Opera-style skin strikes me as a bit obnoxious, reminds me of the theme Oeone Linux uses (Oeone.com). I rather use the plain Windows-style. The upper ad banner has changed tactics, instead of a blonde now you see twelve spheres representing the twelve horoscope signs, the balls illuminate alternatively as a slot machine would. I’ll click if a brunette with a Virgo tattoo strips right there. Bascule and Avl, are you completely sure underlined shortcuts are present on context menus on the Linux version of Opera_7.20_Beta12 and on version 7.20 for FreeBSD, I highly doubt so, that would be quite intriguing. Why not on super-MS-WinDOWS??? Maybe it’s a feature more hidden than an easter egg, or maybe someone at Opera thinks that their “revolutionary” mouse-gestures are good enough and underlined shortcuts on context menus come as a redundant UI anachronism. I don’t know, but why the Unixes do get ’em?, because they are already anachronic? Hey Opera-tors, forget Unix, it is not profitable!!! Do not castigate MS-Windows users. Too much Norwegian beer?, JUST KIDDING ;>D Anyway……back to Opera 6.05 2003-09-25 12:32 am m: you are the only person in the known universe with this problem. Opera shows underlines in menus, sub-menus, right-click menus…. That is on Opera-Win on both W2K and Win98, Opera-Linux and Opera-FreeBSD. So believe me, this is no conscious decision that Opera developers have made. Unless they’re out to get you *personally*, MWAHAHAHA! Sorry. 😉 2003-09-25 12:40 am Firebird/Mozilla do fine, while opera still thinks that speed is the only thing that matters. Doesn’t matter how fast opera brings up an error message that the authentication method is not supported. 2003-09-25 1:57 am By the way, when you run Opera 7.2 for the first time, you get the choice of google ads or regular banner ads. If blondes or horoscopes annoy you, just pick the google ads (this options should also be in ad preferences). As for shortcuts, I understand your grief. While Opera does offer 5 ways to do a single operation, it is hard to change once you are used for one of them. Why donèt you ask them about that on their forums or file a bug? 2003-09-25 3:06 am Bascule and Avl, are you completely sure underlined shortcuts are present on context menus on the Linux version of Opera_7.20_Beta12 and on version 7.20 for FreeBSD, I highly doubt so, that would be quite intriguing. Why not on super-MS-WinDOWS??? I hope this answers your question: http://fails.org/m.png 2003-09-25 7:01 am This is maybe the killing feature of Opera for all of us that don’t like using the mouse… Easy (ie. quick and powerful) navigation among page links using shift+arrow keys. 2003-09-25 10:25 am I’ve never been impressed with Opera – I used to think it is a good alternative but never quite “there”… 7.2 completely changed that view after only less than 24hrs or using it! 2003-09-25 11:52 am I can’t remember the last time i paid for a browser perhaps it was netscape 3.0…point is it was the last time i will ever pay for a browser. Mozzila and IE work just fine! 2003-09-25 12:55 pm Opera’s default skin needs changing. Good to see I’m not the only one that finds it ugly. It’s a major turn-off. Also, I want/need better Magic Wand, with a Window to help manage my login/passes as they change and the ability to import/export them. 2003-09-25 1:12 pm Yup, Bascule, that screen answered my Linux related question. Thanks a lot for posting it. The point is I’ll just file a bug at Opera.com, though I don’t think it really qualifies as a bug: – No underlined shortcuts on context menus running Opera7x in WindowsXP. – No way to deactivate icons on menus in Opera7x. Kobold, I wasn’t complaining about the horoscope ad banners, ad-banners in free apps are fine with me, I was merely making fun of them. Opera is my preferred browser by a wide margin, that explains the “semi-grief”. Judd, enjoy your trip around the Universe :>) Me?, abducted and loving it. 2003-09-25 1:51 pm If you mean the icons in the navigation menu across the top, if you right click anywhere in that menu it gives you a context menu that includes the options: Images Only / Text Only / Images & Text Below / Images & Text to the Right 2003-09-25 2:12 pm Anyone here use Opera on Linux PPC? Around a year ago, I tried to switch from OS X to Linux/PPC- I figured that if I only run Squeak and a decent browser (the rest being within Squeak, even terminal windows), why have all the overhead of something like OS X when it’s not doing my much good? One of the bigger reasons I switched back to OS X was that Opera 5 for Linux PPC (everyone else was at least a version ahead) was pretty flaky, crashing left and right. Don’t get me wrong, I totally dig Opera- I use Opera 6 all the time on my Zaurus C760- but it was just plain unusable. If it’s improved a lot between Opera 5 and 7.x (it isn’t 7.20 for LinuxPPC), I’d love to hear about it. 2003-09-25 2:14 pm I’ve been using Beta 7 of Opera 7.20 on Redhat 9 for a few weeks now, and it’s crashed exactly once. I don’t use the integrated mail client, but the browser has no problems even when using many tabs and plugins. (Flash even installed/runs completely without issue!) Glad you are having success. My opera 7.20b7 (static on debian) segfaults often. It segfaults when you run it, and on some webpages (half.com). But I still use it over Mozilla and im dying to get my hands on the stable linux version (which should come out today or tommorrow, or next week). 2003-09-25 2:34 pm “m: you are the only person in the known universe with this problem. Opera shows underlines in menus, sub-menus, right-click menus…. That is on Opera-Win on both W2K and Win98, Opera-Linux and Opera-FreeBSD. ” I have the same problem on W2K SP4. Works fine in Opera 6.06, but not in the 7.x series. 2003-09-25 3:33 pm Thanks Brad, now Jud is the one alone in that dark and scary unknown side of the Universe As often happens in software development, they moved a little bit foward and a little bit backwards, and the result is that two important UI features available before, are now missing in the Opera 7x series. Pj, no I don’t mean “the icons in the navigation menu across the top”, setting them off is a no brainer, I start by simply not using that navigation menu, but thanks anyway for the tip. I mean what I’ve repeatedly written down: having underlined letter shortcuts on context menus and deactivating icons on context menus (which also applies for the upper bar submenus, NOT THE NAVIGATION BAR). Running Opera7x, Linux and FreeBSD appear to get those underlined letter shortcuts on context menus, the Opera 7x for Microsoft Windows doesn’t get them. Running Opera7x and deactivating icons on context menus appears to be no longer possible on any supported OS. I just reported both “bugs” at Opera.com Opera uses a lot of scripting for these settings, most probably it will all come down to changing a few lines in a few .ini files. These definitons are completely different from Opera6x to Opera7x, so if you figure how to tweak them raise a hand.