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Microsoft Steers Developers to Longhorn
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I thought the ones they wanted to convince was simply Adobe and Macromedia and maybe some one else.
They already own MS Office
Aren’t they the reason people only consider OSX or Windows?
Longhorn will sell for sure when it arrives, even though I’m not so enthusiastic as I was when XP arrived..
“I thought the ones they wanted to convince was simply Adobe and Macromedia and maybe some one else.
They already own MS Office
Aren’t they the reason people only consider OSX or Windows?”
Huh?
“Longhorn will sell for sure when it arrives, even though I’m not so enthusiastic as I was when XP arrived..”
Based on what we know now, what reason is there for consumers to buy Longhorn?
Very VERY few people actually go out and buy Windows anymore. The lions share of Windows sales come from pre-bundles on computers. Keep this in perspective, Apple SIGNIFICANTLY outpaces Microsoft in boxed software sales.
“About 95% of the desktop users need Longhorn until Linux can show something usable.”
First of all, your comment assumes that Microsoft holds 95% of the operating system computer market.
This is largly assumed because people assume market share can be used interchangably with user-base. Market share is solely determined by the number of sales that were made in any given quarter.
There are two figures where slant that 95% figure.
1) Linux sales aren’t recorded accurately.
2) Mac users keep their computers functioning longer than most Windows PC users.
Second of all, Linux is already very usable in its current state.
“Sure OS X is around but they’ll probably not triple sales this year even if they might very well double them.”
I wouldn’t be so sure about that. The G5 answered a need for an incredibly large group of consumers that have been waiting for Apple to release a computer based on the new chip.
“I guess the big question is, who need trolls who spread FUD?”
Ya, why do we need you?
“Based on what we know now, what reason is there for consumers to buy Longhorn?”
For those who are actually in favor of DRM. Hollywood is with Bill on this, so people with fast downloads can get their ultra secure movies off the Net (until the hackers break through DRM too).
in case you didn’t read first post I’ll send it again.
Macromedia+Adobe… Linux has nothing which offers that level of software.
Why does everyone has to wreck Windows threads with Linux FUD?
I think it’s fantastic to see MS continue to deliver innovative products. I don’t have to like them but I can still find it pretty cool…
Why is it Linux fanatics can not? Is it because you are to busy hating??? More cloning coming up for Linux again???
As long as MS keeps it pace at about 3 years ahead of Linux and possibly extends it a bit as they have lately nobody is interested in hearing “Linux is ready”
Instead of spending 90% of your time saying LeeNux 0wnZ, spend time on coding and let others find it when you actually produced something….
Yes MS has some great 3rd party apps on its’s platform, especially from the likes of Adobe, Steinberg and Macromedia. One dayu we might see these apps appear on other platforms. Already half of them are available for OS/X so I would assume transfering them to a Linux based system would be relatively easy but Linux needs more desktop space in the Workplace before any of the 3rd party Windows developers consider moving their apps across because whilst Linux remains in the realm of cheap-skate nerd desktops, there is no incentive financially for these companies to move.
I totally understand and also there needs more uniformity on the desktop itself with Linux but that is in progress with GNOME and KDE so it shouldn’t be too long. Also with the release of the 2.6 Kernel and some OS clean-up, I’d imagine Linux looking very good for media content creation. Just have to convince the app developers (-:
“I think it’s fantastic to see MS continue to deliver innovative products.”
Me too. I just wish they would actually do something innovative. Everything described within this future update is either based on technology that was developed years ago and has since been implimented, or simply bad UI design.
“I don’t have to like them but I can still find it pretty cool…”
I like the technology they copied, but prefer to pay homage to the company/developers that came up with the idea first.
“Why is it Linux fanatics can not?”
The problem is not that we can not. Its that Microsoft doesn;t create anything innovative to give them credit for anything that is cool.
“Is it because you are to busy hating???”
Not at all.
“More cloning coming up for Linux again???”
Give it a rest… troll.
“As long as MS keeps it pace at about 3 years ahead of Linux and possibly extends it a bit as they have lately nobody is interested in hearing “Linux is ready””
Linux and open source technology is 3 years ahead of Microsoft with regard to most aspects of the OS. In the areas it is not, it is approaching faster than Microsoft can create lock-out mechanisms.
“Instead of spending 90% of your time saying LeeNux 0wnZ, spend time on coding and let others find it when you actually produced something….”
Apparently advocacy efforts need to INCREASE… not decrease, as you still are not aware of Linux (or perhpas other operating system’s) advantage over Windows.
“Yes MS has some great 3rd party apps on its’s platform, especially from the likes of Adobe, Steinberg and Macromedia. One dayu we might see these apps appear on other platforms. Already half of them are available for OS/X…”
I would venture to say that the number is significantly larger than half. Yes, Apple has a fraction of the software that Windows does, but as far as major productivity applications are concerned, Apple has at least 80% of the ones Windows has, nearly all that are available for Unix, all that are only available for OS X.
“I totally understand and also there needs more uniformity on the desktop itself with Linux but that is in progress with GNOME and KDE so it shouldn’t be too long.”
While I would agree that Linux needs more uniformity, its important to recognise that Windows does as well. Linux and Windows non-consistancy are among some of their most significant disadvantages.
How will the changes to Windows affect the shareware market? The development tools for Windows is kind of pricey. Sure you can buy the $100 version of Visual C++ but the good references are in the higher price versions.
Many years ago, Borland was the king for cheap but great quality development tools. Now along with Microsoft, it seems Borland is for the big application developers.
Even though the hardware is expensive, Apple bundles the development software with their OS. Linux has mostly free development software.
Can a platform survive without a shareware or hobby development market?
Apple used to charge for their development tools. You had to pay to legally program for Apple’s computer’s. Also, since they changed their code and hardware every so often, and they were not backwards compatible, you either had to purchase the license to program or “discover” how. People loved the IBM clones because you did not have to license the development tools. IBM clones beat out Apple on this account… Windows monopolized on it… OpenSource is losening the reigns… Apple is getting more of a clue… and Windows is becoming a turtle that will discover Apple’s mistakes.
Giants fall… but often because they trip (Novel, Apple…).
Shannara (IP: 146.63.91.—) – Posted on 2003-10-27 22:50:47
Until Billy boy decide to fix the APIs in Longhorn from Managed to Normal APIs, no real programmer will touch the OS.
What is wrong with managed code? Shannara, go back to the hole you jumped out of and stay there perminantly.
Piers (IP: —.vic.bigpond.net.au) – Posted on 2003-10-27 22:02:24
Yes MS has some great 3rd party apps on its’s platform, especially from the likes of Adobe, Steinberg and Macromedia. One dayu we might see these apps appear on other platforms. Already half of them are available for OS/X so I would assume transfering them to a Linux based system would be relatively easy but Linux needs more desktop space in the Workplace before any of the 3rd party Windows developers consider moving their apps across because whilst Linux remains in the realm of cheap-skate nerd desktops, there is no incentive financially for these companies to move.
That is the one reason I keep hearing why ex-Apple users can’t adopt it. I remember talking to an ex-Apple user who was enthusiastic about Red Hat Linux 9, however, he instantly switch over if he could get all his Adobe, Macromedia and Quark software for it.
The demand is there, it is unfortunate that most of the software companies are more worried about sucking up to Microsoft than actually listening to the market and delivering.
I totally understand and also there needs more uniformity on the desktop itself with Linux but that is in progress with GNOME and KDE so it shouldn’t be too long. Also with the release of the 2.6 Kernel and some OS clean-up, I’d imagine Linux looking very good for media content creation. Just have to convince the app developers (-:
True, however, even if Linux 2.6 was able to get latancy down to 0.000001ms, we’d still have Microsoft sycrophants holding Linux adoption back by not porting their applications.
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Regarding manage code in general. What Microsoft should do is completley port their whole Office Suite from win32 to .NET Framework/Managed C++. As they port it, they should maintaina blog that is continuously updated listing any pit falls they have found, how they went about working around them, the benefits that migrating has bought. Basically a “big brother” style report so that othe developers can have a look in how Microsoft is handling this “longhorn wave”.
They also need to approach software companies and pay for the porting of applications to pure .NET, also, they will need to “subsidise” competivie upgrades for those who have bough software in the last year and under this scheme they can upgrade to the next version at the price of the media.
Once there is a sterdy migration path Microsoft can then well and truely say, “good bye Win32 and good riddens to bad rubbish”.
I am at the PDC. Longhorn rocks. There are some really cool things in it. The combo of WinFS & NTFS is very nice stuff.
One thing I am coming to understand: I have to learn XML. Rats!
umm….
if you did not know, Microsoft required payment for their tools as well.
and the origional classic mac OS was so backward compatable that almost ALL applications that ran on the origional PPC mac could run on OS 9(and if the apps on the origional mac were recompiled, they could run on OS 9 as well.)
so what backward compatability are you talking about? the backward compatability of a 3 year old OS that went from infantile to industrial strength in 2 years? well DUH. I will bet you that if an application does not use some feature EXCLUSIVE to Panther or Jaguar, that app will run on OS X 10.1 and 10.0
has anybody check out the so-called ‘new way’ of developing apps in longhorn? http://msdn.microsoft.com/longhorn/default.aspx?pull=/msdnmag/issue…
check out and give a comment…..i thought it is pretty cool….but microsft always ‘one fit all’ stuff which i kinda irritate with it
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031027/tc_nm/te…
Am I the only person here who can’t stand Bill Gates’s smerk or his complete lack of any sense of fashion?
“I think it’s fantastic to see MS continue to deliver innovative products.”
Me too. I just wish they would actually do something innovative. Everything described within this future update is either based on technology that was developed years ago and has since been implimented, or simply bad UI design.
Interesting… so if Linux thinks it is wrong to watch the competition and learn and then adapt your own solutions, maybe you could say all Linux users who use X are pretty much Windows cloning l33t boring people?
“I don’t have to like them but I can still find it pretty cool…”
I like the technology they copied, but prefer to pay homage to the company/developers that came up with the idea first.
SO basically most of the stuff you use in Linux you would like to thank MS developers for instead? Take any Office product and you’ll quickly seen MS lead and all other clone. Take Gimp, it’s a simple clone of the professional Photoshop. LeeNuX has no apps that come close to windows apps, quit the FUD!
“Why is it Linux fanatics can not?”
The problem is not that we can not. Its that Microsoft doesn;t create anything innovative to give them credit for anything that is cool.
“Is it because you are to busy hating???”
Not at all.
LOOOOOOOL. Why even spend time on replying after first saying something really bitter like that and then claim your not one of these despiceful people?
“More cloning coming up for Linux again???”
Give it a rest… troll.
Wow, Is the Attitude a switch to LeeNux land bonus that I might get? Wow I’m really impressed by that, I must agree though, being an ignorant Zealot is one area where Linux actually owns the market and has been innovative
“As long as MS keeps it pace at about 3 years ahead of Linux and possibly extends it a bit as they have lately nobody is interested in hearing “Linux is ready””
Linux and open source technology is 3 years ahead of Microsoft with regard to most aspects of the OS. In the areas it is not, it is approaching faster than Microsoft can create lock-out mechanisms.
And yet I can’t play Ghost Recon on Linux =) Nor do any statistical work in SPSS Nor do market work building sophisticated charts in OOo or Staroffice since they both lack the features MS Office has.
Shall I go on or do you wanna troll in between?
“Instead of spending 90% of your time saying LeeNux 0wnZ, spend time on coding and let others find it when you actually produced something….”
Apparently advocacy efforts need to INCREASE… not decrease, as you still are not aware of Linux (or perhpas other operating system’s) advantage over Windows.
I’m quite convinced that no matter what I say advocacy efforts will increase anyway. Luckily I hope competitors in my own industry make that switch, that’d mean their TCO would get higher, they loose out on important apps and will have more delays due to technical problems.
Please continue the advocacy, I’ll stick to quality!
I dont care how someone dresses. It means more to me to do what you want, than to do what everyone else want you too.
I dont care how someone dresses. It means more to me to do what you want, than to do what everyone else want you too.
How do you explain the mass number of MSDN zombies who get all giddy like a school girl when Bill Gates walks out on stage to some badly re-vamped song that they’ve some how tied with their product, aka, Windows 95 and “Start me up!”.
How has that to do with fashion/doing what YOU WANT TO DO?
CooCooCaChoo (IP: —.a.002.cba.iprimus.net.au) – Posted on 2003-10-28 01:24:03
Uhh, maybe you should take your trolling elsewhere. Or, maybe you are really that nieve.
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