The Linux From Scratch community is pleased to announce the release of LFS-5.0. This major milestone features a new method with strong emphasis on building a correct compilation environment and base libraries independent from the host system. Release 5.0 features the Linux kernel version 2.4.22, the GNU C Library (glibc) 2.3.2, the GNU Compiler Collection (gcc) 3.3.1 and a bootloader change from LILO to GRUB, amongst other package upgrades.
LFS 5.0 Released
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this is not a flame, it is just funny, at least I think so, that they call them package upgrades but al they upgraded was the instructions on how and where to get them and how to compile them. in a sense that is a package upgrade but still 🙂
Actually, a ‘package’ is not necessarily an RPM or DEB or whatever. A package is a collection of binaries (or source thereof), docs, and configuration files. For example, ‘findutils’ is a package, even if it comes in source form. There is no file related to a program that cannot fit into a package.
I think logically or otherwise what debman said was right.
only the instructions were updated. i rekon that it’s better to say ‘the versions of packages in the instructions are updated/upgraded’. it sounds like LFS 5 is a distribtion, isn’t it? ;p
LFS is what it is, and what it always has been … instructions how to build a GNU / Linux system from scratch. They don’t have anything except instructions, where to downloadand how to compile. They also have some patches, where required, to make the source work.
LFS is not a distro of GNU / Linux … it instead allow you to learn how to build your own.
this is not a flame, it is just funny, at least I think so, that they call them package upgrades but al they upgraded was the instructions on how and where to get them and how to compile them. in a sense that is a package upgrade but still 🙂
What do you think package maintainers do?
At any rate, look through the lfs-dev mailing archives at some of the gcc and glibc upgrades. For many packages, upgrades are far more than mere version incrementing.
I have build it on weekend … it was very funny, and pretty easy, although it was my first LFS. I had some minor problems with “loadkeys”, but 3 Days before i did not even know that something like “Loadkeys” exists, and now … i know it
… after that i have installd ppp and pppoe packages, so i had internet too, big problems had i with xfree86, i tried 3 times to compile but always with some errors …
“It would be nice if linux worked at all.”
(No arguments or premises stated for conclusion)
It would be nice if debman wouldn’t troll. Bye.
Well, if you want to get your hands dirty and get down to the nuts and bolts of Linux, this looks to be the ticket
I might actually give this a try.
there is a Beyond LFS 5.0 too? what is it… the webpages are almost identical… but both lfs and blfs were announced on distrowatch. i’ve looked and can’t tell what Blfs is?
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there’s been a lot of nametheft here this week, just keep that in mind and keep an eye on people’s IPs.
if things doesn´t change a lot… i believe that BLFS is the package of instructions to pass from the very basic linux system you build with LFS manual to an internet/X/whatever system you like.
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In other words is the same as LFS but enfoqued to get some extras (the ones you need/want); plus the dependencies of these package and a brief description of them.
Last, but not lest important (i allways want to say that!
) with LFS you can download a biiiiiiggg bztared or ziptared file with all the requiered packages (linux kernel, linux utils, textutils, etc.) but this possibility is not present with BFLS… i think this is he best options because the really big range of options you have (gnome or kde… koffice or openoffice or “abiword + gnumeric + ….”, etc)…
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Or that was the things till 4.x LFS/BFLS releases….
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a question: somebody knows anything about ALFS project???
(ALFS = Automated Linux From Scratch)
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LFS is what it is, and what it always has been … instructions how to build a GNU / Linux system from scratch. They don’t have anything except instructions, where to downloadand how to compile. They also have some patches, where required, to make the source work.
LFS is not a distro of GNU / Linux … it instead allow you to learn how to build your own.
Well, they do host copies of all the source packages needed to build the system as specified in a certain version of the book. They even offer download of all those packages in a single tarball.
So one way of looking at LFS is as a source based distribution with a very manual package installation system.
-bogomipz
ALFS is a means of building Linux From Scratch automatically, as the name implies. In practice, the implmenentation of Neven Has (‘nALFS’) is used the most. It works from a bunch of simple XML files, called “profiles”. There even is a premade one for LFS 5.0. Check out http://automated.linuxfromscratch.org.
Personally, I don’t see any point in using ALFS. You don’t learn by watching a system compiling the stuff and creating the system files it needs… I’d rather recommend Gentoo if you *really* want to build everything from source. At least it has a package management system. I know that the beauty of open source is choice, but I believe too many choices is like not enough…