WinBeta has a few screenshots of Longhorn for 64-bit CPUs.
WinBeta: Longhorn 64-bit Shots
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2003-11-30 9:02 am
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Anonymous
“Wow, it does look like Brush Metal in OS X… I mean, look it has buttons, windows, and look, even icons. Sure, they have absolutely no other resemblence other than the almost similar colours, and Longhorn doesn’t even look brushed, but it is foolish to think that Microsoft didn’t copy brush metal!
/sacarsm.”
Heh I was going to say that. 
I’ve heard several people say MS stole the Brushed Metal look and I don’t know if I have some weird eye porblem but from running longhorn and screenshots it does not look like brushed metal to me! I glad someone else has noticed it too, maybe I’m not crazy.
I think it looks more like smoth rock more than brused metal (though not very good smoth rock really) probably why it’s called slate.
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That Keramik is ugly doesn’t mean that Luna isn’t At least the Keramik designers had some restraint with the color scheme. Remove the toolbar gradients (as ThinKeramik does) and its pretty nice.
Anyway, Crystal is so beautiful, it needs a more subtle theme as a backdrop. Plastik fits the bill pretty well (its the most popular theme on kde-look.org), but I wish that Everlado would release that style we always see in his screenshots
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The current version of XP should go 64Bit this next year. The question I have is should I get an AMD64 PC now (since I am upgrading for x-mas as a present to me)?
Second generation products tend to have far fewer problems. You may want to wait as long as possible till AMD and the chipsets get the kinks out before you commit to such an expensive purchase.
If you’re upgrading now you might as well get an AMD64. There are christmas discounts pretty much everywhere and it’ll save you the trouble of buying another new motherboard next year.
As for longhorn: why on earth is it being hyped this much?
There is nothing worth it in Longhorn right now for the normal user, but MS is successfully rolling out the hype machine to counteract Apple and Linux and their growth until 2006. Just like a few friends of mine will get Office 2003, when they have XP. I’m like, WHY? They’re not geeks either.
It’s 3 years away so the last thing you should start comparing this OS with is the way it looks compared to GNOME or KDE…
You can run Athlon64’s on Windows fine, just that it won’t do 64-bit. Not like many home users have any use for it yet.
I also doubt Microsoft is the one “catching up”, because heck, IMO, 64-bit won’t be “big” on the desktop until Microsoft makes a 64-bit OS for the home user… Unless they have a huge flop and everybody starts adopting MAC’s or Linux.
Hype… Well, it’s pretty simple really…
Microsoft is touting it’ll be the next big thing since Win95, and with all these security issues and how similar Windows versions have been to each other, people are eager for a change.
I wonder how long the hype will last, and whether it might even just get any bigger.
I call it “thing” as I’m not sure what’ll be called in the end. But, it’s the first Microsoft product I feel at least a bit excited about. I mean, WindowsNT for the alpha, and the Windows 2000 for the alpha were interesting in theory, but we all knew that Microsoft was only half-hearted about it, really.
But, I think MS is more serious about this one. People expect it to be, as Opteron is the more popular 64-bit successor to x86 (for a lack of a better expression that would encompass both IA-64 and x86-64).
Personally, I think These screenshots of Longhorn really look nice. The screenshots I saw before looked overdone with the whole issue of space and layout but they look much better now. The best part about these screenshots (I only saw the first three) is that they don’t include the space hogging dock.
Ick.
The flipped menu and nav buttons look pretty retarted. Hopefully they’ll have a different theme by the time it comes out, even though I won’t be using it (Debian 24/7 now). I just wouldn’t be able to accept reality if the dominant OS looked that retarded.
The article is there but when i click on the links for the screenshots they load the url then redirect to the article
Am guessing their server is “OSNews’d”
Why use a 64 bit processor to run Windows ? Almost all windows applicatins will remain at 32 bit for a long time.
I will buy a AMD 64 PC to run linux, because I can get linux and almost ALL applications running at 64 bit.
I’m sorry, but were those screenshots meant to impress me? It looks just like Windows XP, throw in a few tweaks to the colors, buttons, a new back ground, and voila, you get those screenshots.
About the only interesting thing to see is the fact that it runs on the opteron and is 64 bits. However, nothing is mentioned about whether it is optimized for the Athlon 64, or just simply recompiled for it.
Doesn’t look good ot bad to me. just plain simple UI. They are now changing the underground to start later the UI gadgets.
My hope is, in the same time (2 years or more) Linux will be a normal better UI to work and Linux basic applications will be matured enough to be productive, some already are now ( KDE+Gnome, ispell+aspell, OpenOffice+KOffice – yes, KOffice is a promissing -, Mozilla+Thunderbird+Firebird, Evolution, anti-aliased fonts from bitstream, … – almost everything one needs to get professional grade software for desktop productivity).
Still, I might buy LongHorn for AMD64 if some CPU intensive Windows Applications start to appear on a 64 Bit version.
For those not aware of how it works:
– If you click on one of the crumbs in it you navigate to that location (like most web page breadcrumb bars)
– When you mouse over the crumbs, the right pointing arrow turns to a down pointing one. Clicking on it gives you a popup menu of other locations at that level with the current one highlighted in bold.
Think of the NextStep/Mac OS X column browser but collapsed to a single toolbar.
If I click on following link:
http://www.winbeta.org/winbeta/forums/lh64bit/screen4.JPG
it thinks for a second then redirects back to the article. same for the other three links.
$800 for the Athlon FX-51 is a bit steep right now. It sounds as if AMD is going to quickly phase out the versions as new ones are released to keep them exlusive.
I might do this for my birthday, but I don’t need that much power. Truthfully, I don’t really need what I have now, but as they say, ‘too much is not enough’.
“Why use a 64 bit processor to run Windows ? Almost all windows applicatins will remain at 32 bit for a long time.”
In the Longhorn timeframe, the number of new unmanaged applications on Windows will likely start to decline because Longhorn’s APIs are all managed.
MS is currently switching most of their development over to managed code for applications that will appear in that timeframe.
The next (2004) release of the .NET runtime (Whidbey) will be supported on 64-bit systems. MS is recommending that developers move to it for new development in preperation for Longhorn. Any fully managed application written for the current frameworks should run on the upcoming runtimes, and will compile natively on 64-bit platforms automatically at install or runtime.
As for longhorn: why on earth is it being hyped this much?
One word: Linux. Microsoft is being forced to innovate. Like it or not, the $4 Billion MS R&D budget buys a lot of “IQ” as Billy G puts it. Not only that but a lot of the MS techies that secretly dual booted Linux now have something to rally around. They’re being challenged and learning not to be ashamed of their corporateness.
Microsoft is maturing as a company, like a middle aged fat man who has decided to start jogging. The irony here is that the sucess of Linux has raised the bar to a level that even OSS may strugle to meet.
looks like a bastardization between mac os and winxp. almost like when they mated the ps2 and dreamcast controller to the retarded formation they call the xbox controller. you got windows 2000 which got tweaked and became winXP, now you have winXP tweaked into longhorn. i dont think anyone but geeks and new computer buyers are gonna use longhorn. i think if apple’s prices get lower, people will start using mac os x more. they are just trying to hype up longhorn to make people think it is must have. itll be interesting to see linux by 2006, because it will probably be at kernel 2.8 if not 3.0. and i think kde and gnome will be polished as well. and i cant even imagine how awesome linux will be if it gets more hardware support. there is going to be some serious competition going down.
Its nice to see them moving foward on both 32 and 64 bit platforms. The 64 bit XP should set the x86 platforms up nice for the 64 bit longhorn. I just wonder if the 64 bit out preforms the 32 bit by much. Is there any program for coders that can make their programs 64 bit. Mac has Xcode that came with the OS, making it easy to go from 32 to 64 bit if you used the mac’s code builder before they went 64. Did Microsoft release a coder for MS apps people to start their work.
i know its the same in XP, but i have yet to hear the rationale for overlapping the menus like that (as seen in screenshot 4). As far as i can tell, it’s just a bad UI decision.
‘We have morons here asking the same dumb questions or statements like, “why don’t they use Solaris for the desktop?”‘
Heh heh. Actually, I’m kind of looking forward to Solaris 10.
I agree that placement of the “All Programs” menu is not that great (I’ve seen users have a hard time finding it), but I think they are working toward a better layout for the final build. Witness this screen shot taken from a PDC presentation that used UI mock-ups* instead of the PDC build:
http://www.winsupersite.com/reviews/pdc2003_hillel.asp
Not much different but it seems to fit in better with the MRU shortcuts above it. I assume those items down the left open up explorer views. Perhaps the “All programs” item should do the same (with optional menu for power users like they do now with the control panel and a couple of other special folders).
* Prototyped in Director according to the quote further down on that page.
So they copy the brush metal theme of MacOS X applied to XP …and promise a lot of things that judging by past track record they will not deliver.
Add to this the draconian “lock you in to M$ and nothing else”
techniques they are planning, and I ‘d have to say this is the last time I bother to look at anything to do with this vapourware.
One of the things I dislike about XP is the degree of clutter and eye candy in the user interface. If those screen shots are ligit, it seems like
a continuation of that approach. Less is more, in my humble opinion.
I understand the intention to some extent is to simplify for the user certain features or certain configurations, but in reality I don’t feel that they have done a good job. A ‘Wizard’ for network configuration that doesn’t work well in a number of situations, can lead to a great deal of confusion. Perhaps it is just me, but I have never liked XP or KDE or now the screen shots for this Longhorn.
Sean
‘We have morons here asking the same dumb questions or statements like, “why don’t they use Solaris for the desktop?”‘
Heh heh. Actually, I’m kind of looking forward to Solaris 10.
<AOL>ME TOO!
😉
If it is being released at the middle to end of next year, I may look at investing into an Opteron workstation, however, this will only occur if SUN gets the behind into gear and start making sure X server fully supports semi-modern graphics cards out of the box and that they make JDS available on Solaris 10 as well.
Well since I assume that all of my apps will only run on Windows by 2006 I will be forced to use this OS. Please mighty Microsoft include a “classic” theme with the OS. If I’m forced to use this OS I would like to be able to switch off “candy land” so I can rub my eyes and do some serious work.
Uh, I cant tell the difference between Longhorn and Windows XP. Is it supposed to be some kind of big deal?
OK so its 64 bit, but it wont be available till 2005 or 2006. I’ll be using Mac OS X 10.6 by then. This is what M$ is betting its future on? I hope that the M$ hegemony will be broken, and Macintosh and Linux will take lots of marketshare away from the Evil Empire.
The screenies is just to show that Longhorn can run on x86-64 on 64-bit mod.
1) First, on the looks. Aero is still a highly secretive part of Longhorn that nobody outside Microsoft and hardly anyone in Microsoft had seen. This is similar to Aqua three years before OS X was released. Would Longhorn look the same in 2006? Highly doubt it. Look at every other major Windows release. Codename Chicago (IIRC) looked more like Windows 3.1, the final product became Windows 95. Windows XP looked altogether different in so many different angles than Codename Whistler.
So I would think it a wee bit early to pass judgements on the looks? And if you can’t stand it, I’m sure there’s Classic mode. If not – there would be something like StyleXP or WindowsBlinds.
2) On hype – again, what do you expect Microsoft to do? Microsoft is hyping it much less than Apple was hyping OS X three years before release. Just imagine, if in every statement, Longhorn is mentioned, how famous Longhorn would be?
And what’s wrong with hyping? All of Microsoft’s competitors from Apple, to Sun, from Ximian, to Novel, hype their products way before they are released. It is an industry thing. And why do you guys have a problem with it? We are geeks, we at least most of us are. We should be able to know the difference between hype and fact. But suprisingly, very few amongst you guys actually do.
Yeah, Longhorn is mostly hype. So?
So they copy the brush metal theme of MacOS X applied to XP …and promise a lot of things that judging by past track record they will not deliver.
Wow, it does look like Brush Metal in OS X… I mean, look it has buttons, windows, and look, even icons. Sure, they have absolutely no other resemblence other than the almost similar colours, and Longhorn doesn’t even look brushed, but it is foolish to think that Microsoft didn’t copy brush metal!
/sacarsm.
Would that be support for commodity hardware? Oh no, I guess it wouldn’t.
, it does look like Brush Metal in OS X… I mean, look it has buttons, windows, and look, even icons. Sure, they have absolutely no other resemblence other than
/sacarsm.
Microsoft will take advantage of 3D gadgets on the user interface. That’s the main goal for the Longhorn developers.
Now, this screenshots don’t even have 3D buttons, OK the back arrow has some embossed contour but … that’s not the main goal. Microsoft is working on the graphic accelerators and at kernel level. I would start in there. Plenty of (graphic and C++) work to do.
Maybe Mozilla will have a 3D theme by then 😉
The best bet is this is only a windows XP on an Opteron with a mock up GUI.
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