These videos show how Longhorn can be used in different industries while more Concept Videos will be coming soon. The videos require Windows Media Player.
Longhorn Concept Videos
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…using a 3rd party “helper application” supplied by a drug company to “anonymize” a doctor’s patient files?
Microsoft doesn’t really seem to be instilling confidence in me with this video. The video makes it seem trivial for a corporation to harvest confidential information… while the encryption provided by the Indigo framework seems to be benficial for secure collaboration, everything surrounding their ficticious “Contoso” company seems like enormous potential for invasion of privacy…
I couldnt get through the entire video. It was just too boring. :S
Less talking, more video of the actual desktop I say. Seriously though I cant wait to see some of the new UI changes.
He-he, seems mplayer can view like everytime.
Of course it does, what with the illegally redistributed codecs.
From the Real Estate Video…
“Longhorn blurs the line between an application and a document. The attachment is actually a full program that installs with one click.”
Why does this not sound like a good idea?
Wow. I have to admit it looks pretty slick. The brushed metal inface with the little cut out button in the top right hand corner reminds me a bit of iTunes. In 2 years windows users will be enjoying the MAC interface and all the features what we have on the MAC now on windows without paying for the hardware. heheh
Well done Microsoft ..truly inovative.
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Haha, I just thought this was so funny, the way the guy said this so matter-of-factly. It was at 04:22 on the medical video:
“Now this is a real life case actually from the Center for Disease Control, where the guy was sent home with inhalation Anthrax….he definitely could have used a specialist interpretation of his chest x-ray.”
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😀
Comedy gold.
Yes, the brushed metal look and the green progress bar seem familiar…
Nothing really to see, a very dry (not sexy) demo. Yawn.
Apple is soo busy with iTunes they don’t see how to make money by selling real buisness applications using their technology. Everyone will copy it just as everyone copied the GUI in the first place. They should have licensed the technology. I don’t think Apple is going to survive this next wave of copy cat “inovation”. They should make their GUI for LINUX. They could port it before or at the time Longhorn comes out. With the Linux undercarage, and Apples stuff on top it would have what it would take to compete and win. Apple could even sell it as a “Macintosh Environment” with Cocoa tools for developers. Apples GUI would be quickly adopted by the UNIX crowd. They should not limit themselves to the Macintosh line because once MS copies the technology Apple will be in the same boat it was in in the 90’s.
MS is selling a product they dont even HAVE YET! Apple should be selling it, they ALREADY have a SHIPPING product.
Its Apples fault for not paying attention. This is Apples last chance. After that, only open source “quality” will be left. They will have no comercial (or otherwise) vendor on the desktop at all.
So is Microsoft going to ship the Final Longhorn with all the package inside Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer and so on? or are they going to exclude em so they steer away anti trusts cases?
if they do lots of people are gonna say heck they microsoft is coercing us into using there product blah blah blah you get the picture. ok immanna sue em asses cause of this. and if they dont blah blah blah man for the price that i paid for longhorn blah blah blah it lacks the packages i need for daily computing stuff blah blah.?
will this be the picture?
They talk about security. They even seem as bold as to say you can save money and still be secure without the use of a VPN using “trustworthy code”. Please. They pimped XP as a complete departure from their failed security efforts of past versions of Windows and yet we see XP is just as bad with security as all their older stuff. The things that will set this OS apart from their previous ones are more DRM which will lead to incompatibilities over time and tighter intergration which will lead to more serious breeches in the future.
Of course it does, what with the illegally redistributed codecs.
Yay!
The video is on MSDN, so it focuses on developers, and as someone who actually devolops windows applications I must say that I am very, very impressed with the integration and sharing of data and applications.
I’ve seen the 2 movies at the web, and I’m asking myself if the final release of longhorn will be as fast as in the demo, because it is incredible! (maybe too much lol)
What about the machine requirements? And what about backward compatibility?
Is anyone irritated by the huge wasted space on the window’s bar? I don’t know who they’re consulting with but clean efficient use of space… geez…
and… I hope that god-awful bar on the side will be able to be hidden…
MS should be workin’ on a Office Version of Apple’s iLife that is built-in… geared towards the orifice, I mean office (home etc.) You know a business model that would have three tiers… home office, small office (US$300 MSRP) and Pro-office (US$600-800). Apple’s model is perfect (iMovie, FCExpress, FCP – GarageBand, LogicExpress, Logic PlatPro). That’s where M$ should focus…
IMHO – Jb
I find it funny how most people on the forum focused on the GUI, and not on the real purpose of the videos , wich is : How the new features of longhorn will be usefull for pro applications.
The fact is I know many doctors who dreamed about the features showed in the medical application for years.
Windows was 1 step ahead the other OS with XP, it’s going to be 10 steps ahead with longhorn (at least for the professionnal market).
And don’t think I’m a MS fan, cause I’m not, but that’s just the fact.
I think you guys are missing the point of these videos. If you arent a developer, you just wont get it these are not directed at home users as the audience. If you dont develop for .NET or you are a Linux programmer you probably wont be interested. I find it very intersting and I think those videos were very well made and its very exciting to see some of the things that can be done with managed code and all the new features. Security is paramount and from the PDC build I can tell you, security has gotten 150% better and the new security features in messaging in Longhorn will be a key to unlock whole new worlds for people. Someone asked whether the one click install is a good idea and Im going to say something about that. The One click install works with a trusted source, not anyone can send you an application and it automatically launch. The application is digitally signed and can only be sent with that signature. If Joe Blow spammer sends you a file it wont automatically launch because it is not signed. Another thing is that the one click install is actually intended for an intranet situation, they added the ability for remote users which helps people like me who are on the road all the time to keep our systems up2date and I do wish the Linux community would come up with something like this. As for the requirements of Longhorn, I run it on a 700mhz Athlon and a 500 mhz celeron and it works. I have 512 mb of RAM in both machines and the 700 mhz has a 32 mb Graphics card, while the 500 mhz celeron doesnt the 500 mhz is a laptop. the only problem that I have with the laptop is the sidebar, the laptop is only 800×600 so I hide the sidebar and bring it out when I need it.
You must be kidding, right? Longhorn on a 500celeron laptop?? How much memory do you have? How fast is the HDD? What GPU? I find it sluggish to run xp on my 466celeron/Rage4mb/256MB/20GB laptop. I wasn’t even hopingto run longhorn on my 3.06Ghz/512ddr/radeon9000/60GB@7200rpm laptop, and you say it is running on a celeron 500? On what filesystem? NTFS or WINFS?
Actually the features provided by winfs (the way I understand it: adding descriptive metadata to files) seem very cool. I am wondering if a similar filesystem is being developed for an opensource environment or, as usually, the Linux folks are going to copy a couple of winfs features 2 years after Longhorn is released.
Seems as if MS’s R&D is paying off. I can see how this platform would be great for project collaboration, and project management.
Doesn’t look all that innovative to me, just looks alot like Win2k with some new technology strapped on to it(not that it’s a bad/good thing).
Actually linux has quite many filesystems available for use, but if you’d be more informed you’d know about the ReiserFS 4, which is out and it provide features that MS filesystems don’t have. Check it out at http://www.namesys.com/
“You must be kidding, right? Longhorn on a 500celeron laptop??”
Funny how people have just gotten used to the idea that newer versions of MS products are naturally slower than it’s predecessor.
“This video isn’t about GUI…”
Okay, but the GUI is a gateway to how we use these tools.
It’s not what the tools can do for you but what you can do with your tools (IMO). A GUI should make things easier to get things done. We are beings that rely on our senses for I/O. It’s as important to consider in development as with the operation of the tool, device, software. So, the GUI is the glass we must look through… if it’s all fogged up and covered in ____.
Ok, they bragged about the z-buffer with the map zoom, but it jumped a couple times on the video. Now why exactly could this not be done in a 2d system? It could, and it would be as easy for the user. It’d be harder for the developer. This does enlighten me as to a real use for this z-buffer, that long with the fact that it throws more work to the gfx card which is good.
I’m unimpressed with the interface. It looks to bulky, they should cut down widget size or make it auto-adjust somehow (smaller for lower resolution).
I do like some of the animations, the fade in and out. It actually looks pretty nice, but the usability was kinda lacking.
I am partially impressed though. But most of the bragging seemed to be in the applications and not the actual OS. And this WinFS sounds like it will mean more work for us poor techs. We’ll have to not only backup files now, but the meta-data sql tables too. FUN! Please, make this release of Windows never require a reload, no more registry!
>The fact is I know many doctors who dreamed about the features >showed in the medical application for years.
>Windows was 1 step ahead the other OS with XP, it’s going to >be 10 steps ahead with longhorn (at least for the >professionnal market).
I agree. Although I think better methods are out there, they just aren’t as user friendly as doctor’s need it to be. They could have sent X-Ray images before, Microsoft didn’t invent any new compression algorythms. And they have had zooming software for images as long as we’ve had images. Nothing new, just a new wrapper.
Microsoft does a good job at making wrappers, but not actual ideas IMO.
Hi,
I spent the last 30 minutes with those two articles. I found them very interesting:
The first article attempts to describe the real benefits of WinFS and stresses on what’s beyond the search functionality.
http://www.ozzie.net/blog/stories/2003/11/14/640kbOughtToBeEnoughFo…
The second article comments the first article and and concludes that WinFS is not a breaking invention:
http://www.grack.com/news/WinFSAvalonLonghornblam.html
greets Boris
>”You must be kidding, right? Longhorn on a 500celeron laptop??”
>Funny how people have just gotten used to the idea that newer versions of MS products are naturally slower than it’s
> predecessor.
I Installed the longhorn PDC demo on a Pentium 4 2.4Ghz,
512MB DDR RAM, GeForce5200 video card, and that fat
useless bar TOOK HALF A MINUTE TO SHOW UP after the desktop
was loaded.
slow? nooooooooooo, the thought never crossed my mind.
Ben, you are absolutely right. I work in IT healthcare and the features they were demonstrating would make an amazing difference in the way things are run. The only immediate problem I see is that in order to accomplish what they did in the video, you would probably need a mostly Longhorn/.NET based infrastructure. That will take an additional 3-5 years AFTER Longhorn is released. Too bad it can’t be here sooner!
The fact is I know many doctors who dreamed about the features showed in the medical application for years.
I think it’s still too early to say whether or not Longhorn is ahead or behind anything as it pretty much isn’t a product you can buy yet. Though MS is behind when it comes to making a UI that is composited like Quartz is.
But as far as the theme that this shows… it’s just a theme. Metal interfaces are nothing new they are the most common type in OS’. I’ved used many since before most people even knew you could do such a thing. And you can already enjoy the Apple flavor of brushed metal in windows in one form or another, one directly from Apple others have been around for a long time from skinning communties. This theme probably won’t be released with the OS anyway. Just look at whistler to XP.
But in the end this was aimed at the medical field. Which doesn’t seem to care about themes. I mean.. I go into my doctor’s office and I see win2k or lower machines. I think they care more about providing health care than whether their OS is l33t looking or not.
“I like reading about the other OS’s but it just hurts to read some of these posts about Microsoft.”
Why, you a stockholder? Or do you just work there? What is it about Microsoft bashing that gets you so riled up?
“Of course it does, what with the illegally redistributed codecs.”
You shouldn’t have to pay for the “privilege” of watching videos promoting Longhorn.
I don’t think Apple is going to survive this next wave of copy cat ‘inovation’
You are so deluded. I don’t know where to begin brain-spanking you.
They should make their GUI for LINUX. They could port it before or at the time Longhorn comes out. With the Linux undercarage, and Apples stuff on top it would have what it would take to compete and win
You really believe that don’t you? The Linux kernel does not compare to XNU (Mac OS X’s kernel), either architecturally, nor in ultimate capability. Mach and BSD (the two major components of XNU) are time tested and mature, and as a whole far more extensible and stable than Linux could ever hope to be (message passing architectures always are better from a stable API point of view). Building Mac OS X on top of a Linux kernel would be about as easy (and as useful) as building a castle on top of a swamp; the contituents of the base are constantly changing while the consistency remains the same. Aqua would sink.
Apple could even sell it as a ‘Macintosh Environment’ with Cocoa tools for developers
Funny, they do that now…
Apples GUI would be quickly adopted by the UNIX crowd
Heh. You’re new here aren’t you?
They should not limit themselves to the Macintosh line
Macs are their business dude. They make money selling hardware.
because once MS copies the technology Apple will be in the same boat it was in in the 90’s
MS will copy Apple, just as before, and just as before, they’ll do a piss-poor job. Microsoft can copy, but they can never replace.
MS is selling a product they dont even HAVE YET! Apple should be selling it, they ALREADY have a SHIPPING product
I think you’ve had too much to drink today; you’d better cut back.
Its Apples fault for not paying attention
They cater to artsy and science types, not Linux loonies.
This is Apples last chance
People have been saying that for years. Get with the program bud.
After that, only open source ‘quality’ will be left
Open source doesn’t help them to make ‘quality’ products? I’m confused.
They will have no comercial (or otherwise) vendor on the desktop at all
*Blink*
“Windows was 1 step ahead the other OS with XP, it’s going to be 10 steps ahead with longhorn (at least for the professionnal market).”
Don’t make be laugh, MacOS X Panther beats Longhorn hands down. Longhorn is lightyears behind MacOS X and can’t beat it’s userfriendliness, power and security. ”
Now you both are making me laugh. Longhorn will be the biggest dissapointment ever, if it eve ships. I predict Microsft will have lost enough marketshare by 2005 that Longhorn wont be able to save them andthe Mac OS is on its deathbed. The reason for this is Linux. Its more user friendly than either one, its more innovative and Linux is the future. Linux is the new standard, we have won the war. By the time Longhorn ships Microsoft will have 1.8% of the marketshare and Linux will be king. Windows is insecure, virus ridden and too expensive and Longhorn cant help that. Any company not supporting Linux by the summer will die and if Apple is smart they may want to start shipping a Linux distro. Windows reputation is shot and I dont know of anyone who does serious computing who uses it. Bill Gates needs to move aside and let the pro’s handle it because Microsoft is going to be the next Apple and they will be bankrupt by 2010. thats my prediction.
Ben, you are absolutely right. I work in IT healthcare and the features they were demonstrating would make an amazing difference in the way things are run. The only immediate problem I see is that in order to accomplish what they did in the video, you would probably need a mostly Longhorn/.NET based infrastructure. That will take an additional 3-5 years AFTER Longhorn is released. Too bad it can’t be here sooner!
The fact is I know many doctors who dreamed about the features showed in the medical application for years.
I have also worked in the healthcare market, in australia a lot of them use Mac machines so it might be longer than 5 years before they can be bothered to install longhorn.
Its more user friendly than either one, its more innovative and Linux is the future. Linux is the new standard, we have won the war.
It can be made more user friendly but it currently isn’t. It has a long way to go before it’s anywhere near windows or macos, or even BeOS when it comes to being userfriendly and innovative. So stop trolling and start coding.
I hope the metal effect skin is not the same as the one available from themexp.org because it makes it impossible to tell whether you’re clicking on the title bar or the toolbar.
You go to move a window and instead grab the toolbar and mess everything up. Got a good idea.
Wow GNOME Lover, you managed to say the EXACT OPPOSITE of the truth in almost every sentence.
Now you both are making me laugh. Longhorn will be the biggest dissapointment ever, if it eve ships. I predict Microsft will have lost enough marketshare by 2005 that Longhorn wont be able to save them andthe Mac OS is on its deathbed. The reason for this is Linux. Its more user friendly than either one, its more innovative and Linux is the future. Linux is the new standard, we have won the war. By the time Longhorn ships Microsoft will have 1.8% of the marketshare and Linux will be king.
That product does not exist
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1539979,00.asp