Home > Mac OS X > Mac OS X 10.3.3 and Server Update ReleasedMac OS X 10.3.3 and Server Update Released Submitted by Cyrune Eugenia Loli 2004-03-15 Mac OS X 46 CommentsApple released MacOSX 10.3.3 via the Software Update pref. panel. More info & changelog here. About The Author Eugenia LoliEx-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 46 Comments 2004-03-15 10:42 pm i’ve been reading about this update it seems forever! i can’t wait to get home!so much for my uptime 2004-03-15 10:49 pm The network browsing behavior is eons better. Now when browsing to a share, it gives you an option of which share to mount, rather than doing it automatically and hiding it in the background.Other than that, everything seems smooth and quick.. My Mac continues to get more attention than I ever suspected it would when I bought it six months ago. 2004-03-15 10:50 pm Uptime isn’t all that important. If you uptime on a Mac is more than 21 days right now, it shouldn’t be.http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/securityupdate20040223f…Even if a patch doesn’t require a reboot, it’s a good idea to do it anyways if you’re not running something mission critical. 2004-03-15 10:51 pm This doesn’t solve any problem I’ve ever had (I don’t use any iLife apps, or Mail, or .Mac.) I’m not sure I’d trade possibly faster startup (which I seldom do anyway) for a Finder that wants a password even more often….Looks like one to wait on for a bit. 2004-03-15 10:56 pm my uptime is synchronous to the Apple Software Update which needs a reboot. ;o)So far to the stability of Mac OS X 2004-03-15 10:57 pm ehm i forgot something…i heard there were issuses with prebind.if yes – has this been corrected now?……..reboot 2004-03-15 11:10 pm when i was reading comments about the seeds people mentioned the prebinding processing being fixed, but there doesn’t seem to be any mention of it in their about file. but then again it says These are some of the enhancements that are part of Mac OS X 10.3.3 Update. so i would assume its in there too (a full comprehensive list of updates would be nice)and i know about uptime, i figured i’d be blasted for that. i hope by 10.3.4 or 10.4 or some near future update Apple gets over this whole reboot thing. unless there are kernel changes, a reboot shouldn’t be necessary. i don’t care if it forces me to log out and kills and brings back everything including the window server (i’m sure Apple would make it a graceful looking process), but i’d rather not cycle power on my hardware unless i have to. plus it would be another nice jab at windows 2004-03-15 11:27 pm for me personally the “forced” reboot isn’t a big problem.I’m sure the situation won’t change because there is a small security thingy in the kernal with high probability.I must agree, that I would appreciate a better documentation of the update process.Cool, I agree with everything another poster wrote 2004-03-16 12:11 am Any chance of SSL WebDav some day? 2004-03-16 12:11 am I just installed it and it went just fine. It may be just me, but my applications are loading a bit quicker. iPhoto launches with 2500 photos in 2 seconds. The “Connect to server” finally works correctly on Samba shares!! I ran repair permissions after the update and there weren’t any changes necessary. I was hoping for some improvement with Safari…still the same. 2004-03-16 1:14 am OMG! With one update, networking (SMB anyway, haven’t yet tried AFP) is sooooooo much better! I used to have the dreaded “mounted share disappears” bug when waking up from sleep all the time — drove me crazy! Plus all the dumb browsing bugs (can’t connect, some machines don’t appear, etc.). These issues were the one thing that made Panther less than unbelievably cool. Now that it’s all working GREAT (shares don’t go away when waking from sleep, browsing seems stable, shares are always mounted on the desktop/sidebar), Panther is indeed unbelievably cool!Way to go Apple!Jared 2004-03-16 1:48 am samba was updated to 3.0.2 according to my swat config – nice. but afp to my linux boxen is still flaky – that is it’ll connect exactly ONE time – if i disconnect the afp share and try to reconnect without rebooting my TiBook i’ll get a connection time out – every time.i’m running RH9 and FC1 on 2 machines – and i’ve tried various versions of netatalk on both of them.SMB it is then… 2004-03-16 3:20 am If you aren’t satisfied w/ safari try camino. It’s a mozilla browser for OSX, nice interface and speed. 2004-03-16 3:29 am I go to church on Sunday and poof, Monday a new dot release comes out. I should go more often! 2004-03-16 3:57 am Camino is cool but very buggy, also there are somethings that suck like no drop down history on the address bar. The tabs are shaped and located funny.I find that on my IBook G3 600 that Firefox works best. All the same features as the Windows and linux versions and just as fast. 2004-03-16 4:42 am Yeah, it can be annoying to reboot, but since all my OS X machines (including the G3 350) boot to the login prompt in under a minute … it’s not like it’s a long wait. 2004-03-16 5:07 am Well, now I have had some trouble with SMB shares unmounting when I wake from sleep after a few hours. Darn. I’ll have to keep experimenting some more. Still, overall this is quite an improvement.Regards, Jared 2004-03-16 5:29 am The Energy Saver pref now has an option for UPS. Mine shows up with model and battery level…..niceMy new Pioneer 107D Superdrive is fully supported 2004-03-16 5:52 am Tymiles is right here…Camino hasn’t had a new release for months, and I kinda doubt that any new code has been checked in either. With its latest release, Firefox has surpassed Camino in terms of pretty much everything. I still use Safari though…haven’t found any other browsers (except for Camino) that have keyboard shortcuts for the tab-left and tab-right functions. Map them to the side buttons on your Logitech MX or IntelliMouse…convenience like no other. 2004-03-16 6:31 am There’s also now a toggle for default/custom function key behavior in System Pref / Keyboard & Mouse. At last! 2004-03-16 9:33 am Is there any patch to correct the apple mouse concept? Having two button and not just one?Even Jef Raskin think there should be path for that issue… http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6270 2004-03-16 10:56 am Yesssss…. that was one of the most annoying things about my Powerbook. Now I can hit ALT-F1 for documentation in Netbeans easily. 2004-03-16 11:14 am Camino By Brendan Shanks (IP: —.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net)“Tymiles is right here…Camino hasn’t had a new release for months, and I kinda doubt that any new code has been checked in either.”False, despite being months since 0.7’s release there is still active work. The nightlies have been very stable for me since around December, when I first started using them. There are lots of differences, new look, new icons, latest mozilla codebase sync (1.7 branch I believe), even faster then 0.7, and despite being nightly builds most are more stable. (0.7 would crash on some pages for me, and if I left it up for hours it would just up and die for seemingly no reason, most of the nightlies are much more stable then that, and don’t crash on those same webpages that would take down 0.7 every single time) A few releases have been unstable, but thats usually cleared up in a few days. About last week a few releases wouldn’t even launch, they’d try and then die – but now their stable again, load just fine, and my recent nightly (a few days old) has been up for days without a crash. Camino is not dead! 0.8 is gearing up for release very soon the developer assures me. Download it at – http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/camino/nightly/latest/You’ll thank me. 🙂 Camino is god, it is /the/ browser for me. 2004-03-16 11:21 am Well, heres my two bits. I installed it shortly before I left for work, and hadn’t had any chance to really play with it. Installed fine, rebooted and came up slightly faster then before. I didn’t play around with it long enough to sense if it was any more responsive or faster, but certainly nothing felt wrong or broken. Good news so far. Dual 2 Ghz G5 machine, all standard stuff excluding the second HD I added myself. I can play with it more extensively today and let you know, but from the bit I saw I’m happy. Happy that nothing seems broken, and supposively this release has large OpenGL updates and several games are now faster, I’ll see if thats true. 2004-03-16 11:25 am 10.3.2 borked up the Unreal Tournament games for me, my frame rate dropped through the floor and are /barely/ playable (hovering around 20 fps, when previously I was well over 60 at 1600×1200). Ugh. I didn’t buy this machine for games, but I would like to be able to play some on it – no other games were affected, Quake 3 is as fast as ever. I really really hope this release fixes that, and I wonder if I’m the only one to be experiencing that issue. As rarely as I do the whole shooter games lately, its not a huge concern but Unreal Tournament (first one, 2003, and I wanna buy 2004) are my fav of the genre without question. 2004-03-16 11:31 am http://macslash.org/comments.pl?sid=4389&cid=69236Read this post, apparently MySQL is updated and data needs to be exported and then imported after the update. Doesn’t apply to me, but headsup to those it does. 2004-03-16 11:43 am http://www.macnn.com says the update is 59MB, however it was 71.2 when I downloaded it?!?! ibook 900mhz 2004-03-16 12:39 pm James Dorn wrote:> http://www.macnn.com says the update is 59MB, however it was 71.2 when> I downloaded it?!?If you upgrade from 10.3 or 10.3.1, SoftwareUpdate dowmloads the ComboUpdate which is heavier than the Update for 10.3.2. 2004-03-16 1:12 pm “Is there any patch to correct the apple mouse concept? Having two button and not just one?”All the functions for using a 2 or 3 button mouse are built into X. I use a Microsoft Optical USB mouse with my IBook and right clicking works fine. (Even though the scroll pad mouse is one button)I think for things like when you are in a web browser and you want to right click on a link and open in a new tab you really need a 2 or 3 button mouse. I can surf the web without one!The one thing I think Apple REALLY needs to do is make a real file manager. The finder is ok but as far as sorting files goes it sucks. There is no cut and paste by default in OSX. Also when you what to look at files in the detailed view you can not sort them by type (or kind as Apple calls it). KDE, Gnome and Windows kill OS X on those points. 2004-03-16 1:29 pm If you hold <control> down, then click, you get the right button effect. A bit of a pain sometimes, granted. On laptops I find that this can work better than the tiny buttons you often seem to get now.Camino, Safari, Firefox/Mozilla all use tabs. Press apple key & click. 2004-03-16 1:37 pm with all the whining ‘we’ do in regards to paying for an update periodically…you know we’re spoiled with all the incrimental updates. In my Windows world waiting for… I don’t know how long.It’s just nice to see this kind of commitment to improvement on an operating system.BTW On my G3/333 Lombard Safari still crashes, arghJb 2004-03-16 2:09 pm USB is fixed! I have a Cube with iSub and under Panther couldn’t get iSub to appear in Sound Preferences and work with the regular USB speakers. Only if I used Griffen’s iMic as output, would the iSub volume ratio and mute appear and audibly work. Now with the 10.3.3 update it appears with the USB spearkers as the chosen output and I now get iSub enhanced audio as I did before Panther. 2004-03-16 2:32 pm Alrighty, back from work and I’ve spent more time with the system. I really don’t see or feel all that much of a difference with regards to performance, but hey thats a good thing too if it means it isn’t any slower. I played a bit of UT 2004 demo, frame rate issue is still there. Damn. But nothing is borked, all my apps work, so coolio for me. Connecting to Mac OS X Samba shares from my PC running XP seems to be a touch quicker, but that could be the placebo affect. Thats all. 🙂 2004-03-16 2:52 pm My battery life has improved from 2 hours to over 3 hours on my Aluminum 1.25Ghz powerbook after this update. Airport seems somewhat more reliable for some reason as well. 2004-03-16 2:53 pm i totally agree. since i’ve switched to Linux/FreeBSD/OS X, updating has been fun again, because usually with updates come new features and performance enhancements. now someone might say those should have been in there to begin with, but i’d argue that panther out of the box was a fully working product and anything i get now is icing on the cake.as far as opengl goes, i’m getting about 2000fps in glxgears on my 1GHz 15″ powerbook (can anyone tell me if that’s a reasonable number?), unfortunately i don’t know what i was getting before the update🙁iphoto does seem to start faster. i wish i would take benchmarks before i install a point update so i can see how it affects my system… thought for the future i suppose 2004-03-16 4:20 pm The update was a little bigger becuase it was OS X Server, I feel like an idiot for even posting the first time, should have thought of it. 2004-03-16 8:02 pm //I played a bit of UT 2004 demo, frame rate issue is still there. Damn. But nothing is borked, all my apps work, so coolio for me. Connecting to Mac OS X Samba shares from my PC running XP seems to be a touch quicker … //This might seem ridiculous, but why not run UT 2004 and Q3 on your XP machine?or, for that matter: BF 1942, BF Vietnam, LOTR, Halo, Beyond Divinity, NOLF2, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Rainbow Six Athena’s Sword, etc., etc. …‘course, you could just wait three years for those games to show up on the Mac, I guess … 2004-03-16 8:27 pm This might seem ridiculous, but why not run UT 2004 and Q3 on your XP machine?or, for that matter: BF 1942, BF Vietnam, LOTR, Halo, Beyond Divinity, NOLF2, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Rainbow Six Athena’s Sword, etc., etc. …‘course, you could just wait three years for those games to show up on the Mac, I guess … Ouch? Why the rant? If he is happy playing the game on the Mac he should do it, you are the reason why Mac Games are not made.Secound, Halo, UT2004 & Q3 are made for the mac. Please do not discourage people, you are only helping the devil himself (MS) 2004-03-16 9:02 pm This is SUCH a cool game. Played/finished the demo and just ordered the game (it’ll be here by Friday). Nice to have a game that plays decently on my Rage128 Pro-equipped 466MHz G4 Digital Audio! Not many do, that I know of…Luposian 2004-03-16 9:07 pm Wouldn’t normally respond to trolls, but you make a good point. PC’s are better for some things, and games is definately one of them (when I say better, I mean quantity, not quality)…Mac OS X has plenty of games, but nowhere near the number that the PC has, well, certainly not new releases anyway (it is getting better though).You are not the reason Mac games aren’t made, they are not made because it’s hard for gaming houses to justify the cost. Macs need a bigger presence I guess.The thing is though, that a lot of us (PC and Mac users) don’t play games that much, or if we do, the selection of games on the Mac is more than enough for the Mac user, well for me anyway. I stick with WarCraft III, as do most of my PC friends, or BZ-flag which is freely available for most platforms. I’ve never found myself in a situation where the games the PC users were playing weren’t available on the Mac, but then, I’m no gamer either. Maybe if I bought a nice new shiny G5? 😉Oh, but to the subject at hand. 10.3.3 seems really nice, Samba is improved which was probably my only concern with Panther. 2004-03-16 11:24 pm No problems to report here, upgraded an eMac, G5 and G4/466 at work and an MDD at home and everything is running good! Game selection is getting better, its down to a few months wait now and some developers are releasing them simultaneously like Blizzard.I’ve been really pleased with 10.3 and the updates. None of the updates seem to kill performance which is contrast to other major OS.I would like to see virtual desktops as a native feature but Desktop Manager works great despite being beta. 2004-03-17 1:58 am 10.3.3 Mac OS X desktop versiondual g4 1.25ghz mirror door1.7GB ramI noticed that when my desktop screensaver kicks in while musicis playing using itunes and then i move the mouse to rid thescreen saver, the music gets choppy. I didn’t notice this before,it’s safe to assume that the 10.3.3 update did this, however, I don’tsee any changes that would prompt this.Can anyone confirm, deny this? 2004-03-17 5:38 am re: Christopher X By rockwell (IP: 12.24.216.—) – Posted on 2004-03-16 20:02:00//I played a bit of UT 2004 demo, frame rate issue is still there. Damn. But nothing is borked, all my apps work, so coolio for me. Connecting to Mac OS X Samba shares from my PC running XP seems to be a touch quicker … //“This might seem ridiculous, but why not run UT 2004 and Q3 on your XP machine?or, for that matter: BF 1942, BF Vietnam, LOTR, Halo, Beyond Divinity, NOLF2, Call of Duty, Medal of Honor, Rainbow Six Athena’s Sword, etc., etc. …‘course, you could just wait three years for those games to show up on the Mac, I guess …”Well, if you read my earlier posts you’d know that I am not all that active of a gamer, so I hardly care if the latest n greatest games come out first for PC. The games I do enjoy are on Mac like Civ III and Age of Mythology, but really I only spend a few hours a week at the very most gaming anymore. My problems with UT on my G5 is weird, but for all other games my G5 is leaps faster then my PC. Quake 3 seems at least twice as fast, and my PC isn’t no slouch, though its not as recent. Dual Athlon 1800 MP, 512 megs RAM, etc. I do, however, play the UT 2004 demo on my PC, which its considerably faster then my G5 at the moment. The problem only occured after an OS update, before the update my G5 was faster. So, in short, for the games I enjoy my Mac serves me well, and faster then my PC. I currently have issues with UT, but its not a hardware issue. 2004-03-17 10:27 am “also there are somethings that suck like no drop down history on the [Camino] address bar.”If you want to see the recent history, click the “go” menu. 2004-03-17 4:09 pm Just a quick note to add to the gaming topics. I love OS X, and if they would port Star Wars Galaxies to the Mac I would be first in line to buy a dual G5. I imagine that Apple could gain thousands more customers if they could get game devs to make games for the Mac.Its really a shame. Windows has the market on PC gaming, not just in quantity, but also in quality. Hands down, there is no argument. 2004-03-18 12:39 pm 1) FTP working properly. On multiple computers, there’s a problem connecting to an FTP server, even one with Skynet, Belgium’s biggest provider. Works with Transmit, … but not with Finder ….2) Mail: “Urgent”, “Confidential” and some more features to a mail. It’s not possible to mark a mail as urgent in Mail. What’s this for bu….. Exposé is cool, but other things are important, make your decision whether you want new stuff or stuff that’s working.3) The possibility to add “Links to URLs”, “Links to Applications” (read scripts), “Links to Locations” on your desktop. I connect to several servers all the time, please make my life a bit easier.4).Mac technology incorporated in OSX Server. I want my users to sync against our servers, not your servers.5) Support for hardware that is not coming from “friends”. Let me detail: support for Nokia (6310i) in iSync, support for Compaq iPAQ in iSync.6) A real stupid wish: support ix86 platform ….