“But even Dell computers, Microsoft’s sidekick in the 1990s, now ships a fifth of its servers with Linux rather than Windows.”
I haven’t seen a dell with linux preinstalled yet. But if you want to be technical about it every poweredge they sell comes bundled with linux. Every poweredge with a raid controller (all of them) I have seen lately comes with a driver setup cd that runs linux. You have to boot off this cd to setup windows! It does the format and copy then reboots off the hard drive to finish the install. There is no other easy way to install an OS on a dell poweredge because of the drivers for the PERC raid controller they come with aren’t in windows 2000 server (don’t know about 2003)
“Others are doing to Gates exactly what he did to IBM nearly 30 years ago.”
And what did Microsoft do to IBM thirty years ago? Nothing. Microsoft stabbed IBM in the back only in the early nineties when it used Windows to kill off OS/2. That, according to anyone’s math, was just over 10 years ago. Thirty years ago Microsoft was just an unknown startup.
Journalists should check their facts before they go shooting their mouths off.
Hey, what happens to the price of your Dell when you put it to the same level of performance as the G5 running osx? can you say 7000, 8000, maybe 10000 bucks? It would be sweet running redhat, though. and no crashing or fiddling like a win system. cool. I just couldn’t ever give up my G5 , for no price. Well, maybe if bill gave me 2 billion, i could love him again…. but naaaah!! couldn’t do it!! ( ya , right!)
Dell does ship one fifth of it’s servers with no windows preinstalled.that means linux for the most part.we are not talking about desktops at best buy here.
Microsoft stabbed IBM way before windows and OS/2.DOS ,that’s right ..you need to check the history of DOS bettwen the two companies GUI boy,check the facts before you open your mouth.
1-Others are doing to Gates exactly what he did to IBM
2-smaller players are lining up to have a pop at the big boy.
3-Microsoft’s rivals are beginning to scent weakness.
true or false:
1-Microsoft software has been the time-consuming need to download a variety of ‘patches’ in response to security and virus scares.
2-The fear is not yet that its core business, the Windows operating system and the Office suite of applications, is in terminal decline: that is still helping to bring in a billion dollars profit a month, and is sustaining a $53 billion cash pile
3-and that the firm’s new businesses are not growing fast enough
4-The PC market is maturing….
5-…the expensive hand of the law, particularly in Europe…
I read this exact (word for word) same story in the business section of the independant. So it appears on the Guardian referenced from the Observer and printed in the Independant. Lefties unite!
The Observer (Sunday) and the Guardian (Weekdays) are the same people – odd about the Independent tho’.
I really hope people don’t fall for Lindows/spire. They seem to be a company whose monthly subscription is very expensive for free software – I don’t feel they’re the best open-source advocates on the block. (Dare I say I think even Windows is better value.)
Although not exactly fitting with the F/OSS ideal worl, linspire is in fact a good citizen; they contribute code upstream and support many opensource projects; both financially and technically.
Yeah – I guess. I just remember when they were charging a sub for downloads that were coming off the Debian site – as far as I know they didn’t contribute to Debian. I realise they’ve probably cleaned up their act.
windows on the desktop is still growing its marketshare (the mac os is dying slowly and linux has yet to gain any real marketshare on the desktop regardless of the unprecedented press linux receives)
office is stable in its overwhelming marketshare
pocketpc os is growing rapidly and is now over 35% of the market.
ms ships the only mainstream and reasonably selling tablet pc os made
ms media formats are surging: the bulk of music distribution is done using wmp tech (yes i know the itms is the single best selling store but wmp overall outsells it)
more portable and home devices support ms media technology than any other standard (yes again the ipod is the single best selling device [across its multiple model line counted as one device] but wmp devices still have the greatest sales numbers when combined)
ms server oses have the greatest to fear from linux as linux does web serving and database hosting quite well for those competent enough to admin it. linux gets much hype but in the end in mission critical/enterprise solutions it is not free–ibm, hp, dell, novell, redhat, etc all charge for the os and/or support. windows remains less expensive for biz to run. for teenage pimple faces they can in many cased download and run linux on their private network but how many businesses are running freely downloadable linux with no support from a third party?
ms server oses are still taking marketshare from more expensive unix solutions. both linux and windows server oses are knocking out unix.
xbox is on the verge of knocking out nintendo. sega is already done for.
xbox live online service has been a stellar success for ms. nearly 1 million xbox buyers with broadband are subscribing to a $50 per year online gaming solution.
aol marketshare has been shrinking for about 8 quarters in a row. msn dial up is fairing better.
dont get excited folks, the press just loves this story. gets everyones attention. think for yourself and look at real numbers and trends and you see a bunch of hogwash.
>>windows on the desktop is still growing its marketshare
Worldwide its market share is shrinking – increased sales do not equate to an increased market share.
>> how many businesses are running freely downloadable linux with no support from a third party?
We are, for a start – frankly our maintenance butget has shrunk enormously in terms of both accountable time and hard cash. Most weeks I hear of someone similar, and I don’t even get about much.
>>xbox is on the verge of knocking out nintendo. sega is already done for.
Nintendo are much bigger in the far East than you realise – xbox are basically nowhere outside the US. Sega? They stopped making consoles before MS even entered the game! – so not much of a victory there.
>>xbox live online service has been a stellar success for ms.
To be honest Microsoft is going to go the way of ibm – highly profitable and with moderate growth compared to other companies of its size and also a market leader, however, it will not be able to determine which direction the market is going in to the extent it has for the last decade.
Agreed. Their stock does seem now to be priced, too, in an increasing realisation of this in financial circles, moving down to good levels after an inflated value when everyone was completely spellbound by a ‘magic future’. The article reflects this well.
“But even Dell computers, Microsoft’s sidekick in the 1990s, now ships a fifth of its servers with Linux rather than Windows.”
I haven’t seen a dell with linux preinstalled yet. But if you want to be technical about it every poweredge they sell comes bundled with linux. Every poweredge with a raid controller (all of them) I have seen lately comes with a driver setup cd that runs linux. You have to boot off this cd to setup windows! It does the format and copy then reboots off the hard drive to finish the install. There is no other easy way to install an OS on a dell poweredge because of the drivers for the PERC raid controller they come with aren’t in windows 2000 server (don’t know about 2003)
“Others are doing to Gates exactly what he did to IBM nearly 30 years ago.”
And what did Microsoft do to IBM thirty years ago? Nothing. Microsoft stabbed IBM in the back only in the early nineties when it used Windows to kill off OS/2. That, according to anyone’s math, was just over 10 years ago. Thirty years ago Microsoft was just an unknown startup.
Journalists should check their facts before they go shooting their mouths off.
Then what this all about? :
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?c=us&cs=555&l=en…
Flip check out the price of that Redhat Advanced Server thingy? WOW!!
Hey, what happens to the price of your Dell when you put it to the same level of performance as the G5 running osx? can you say 7000, 8000, maybe 10000 bucks? It would be sweet running redhat, though. and no crashing or fiddling like a win system. cool. I just couldn’t ever give up my G5 , for no price. Well, maybe if bill gave me 2 billion, i could love him again…. but naaaah!! couldn’t do it!! ( ya , right!)
Dell does ship one fifth of it’s servers with no windows preinstalled.that means linux for the most part.we are not talking about desktops at best buy here.
Microsoft stabbed IBM way before windows and OS/2.DOS ,that’s right ..you need to check the history of DOS bettwen the two companies GUI boy,check the facts before you open your mouth.
a simple quote from the article says it all: Lindows has sold 100,000 copies of its Linux version of Windows in the US …
Lindows is a Windows clone ..they try to make it look and feel like windows.
grips:-
1-Others are doing to Gates exactly what he did to IBM
2-smaller players are lining up to have a pop at the big boy.
3-Microsoft’s rivals are beginning to scent weakness.
true or false:
1-Microsoft software has been the time-consuming need to download a variety of ‘patches’ in response to security and virus scares.
2-The fear is not yet that its core business, the Windows operating system and the Office suite of applications, is in terminal decline: that is still helping to bring in a billion dollars profit a month, and is sustaining a $53 billion cash pile
3-and that the firm’s new businesses are not growing fast enough
4-The PC market is maturing….
5-…the expensive hand of the law, particularly in Europe…
maybe the problem is his name!!!!!
I read this exact (word for word) same story in the business section of the independant. So it appears on the Guardian referenced from the Observer and printed in the Independant. Lefties unite!
What about “Linux configuration with no operating system?”
Then you install White Box, an absolute clone of RHEL, download the updates…Cost? $0.00
I didn’t know that The National Health Service was a “lefty”
from Netcraft:
The site whitehouse.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 on Linux.
BusinessWeek Online
Microsoft’s Midlife Crisis
I can name more …but you get the idea..they all lefty.
due whitehouse.com is a porn site…. it’s whitehouse.gov
due <——- that should be dude
ok haha
The site whitehouse.gov is running Apache/2.0.48 on Solaris 8.
The site whitehouse.gov is running Apache/2.0.48 on Solaris 8.
The site http://www.nocharge.com is running Apache/1.3.3 (Unix) on Linux.
I think our thread should be moderated down
ok, thanks ………….> good buye.time to check in the whitehouse.com
The Observer (Sunday) and the Guardian (Weekdays) are the same people – odd about the Independent tho’.
I really hope people don’t fall for Lindows/spire. They seem to be a company whose monthly subscription is very expensive for free software – I don’t feel they’re the best open-source advocates on the block. (Dare I say I think even Windows is better value.)
The trolls’ll get me now for sure.
Although not exactly fitting with the F/OSS ideal worl, linspire is in fact a good citizen; they contribute code upstream and support many opensource projects; both financially and technically.
They also (attempt to) put linux in a good light.
Yeah – I guess. I just remember when they were charging a sub for downloads that were coming off the Debian site – as far as I know they didn’t contribute to Debian. I realise they’ve probably cleaned up their act.
windows on the desktop is still growing its marketshare (the mac os is dying slowly and linux has yet to gain any real marketshare on the desktop regardless of the unprecedented press linux receives)
office is stable in its overwhelming marketshare
pocketpc os is growing rapidly and is now over 35% of the market.
ms ships the only mainstream and reasonably selling tablet pc os made
ms media formats are surging: the bulk of music distribution is done using wmp tech (yes i know the itms is the single best selling store but wmp overall outsells it)
more portable and home devices support ms media technology than any other standard (yes again the ipod is the single best selling device [across its multiple model line counted as one device] but wmp devices still have the greatest sales numbers when combined)
ms server oses have the greatest to fear from linux as linux does web serving and database hosting quite well for those competent enough to admin it. linux gets much hype but in the end in mission critical/enterprise solutions it is not free–ibm, hp, dell, novell, redhat, etc all charge for the os and/or support. windows remains less expensive for biz to run. for teenage pimple faces they can in many cased download and run linux on their private network but how many businesses are running freely downloadable linux with no support from a third party?
ms server oses are still taking marketshare from more expensive unix solutions. both linux and windows server oses are knocking out unix.
xbox is on the verge of knocking out nintendo. sega is already done for.
xbox live online service has been a stellar success for ms. nearly 1 million xbox buyers with broadband are subscribing to a $50 per year online gaming solution.
aol marketshare has been shrinking for about 8 quarters in a row. msn dial up is fairing better.
dont get excited folks, the press just loves this story. gets everyones attention. think for yourself and look at real numbers and trends and you see a bunch of hogwash.
sorry.
“xbox is on the verge of knocking out nintendo”
Errr….that is not true. Xbox and GC have been just about
neck and neck before the GC price drop late last year, and ever since then has been mopping the floor with the Xbox with respect to sales.
>>windows on the desktop is still growing its marketshare
Worldwide its market share is shrinking – increased sales do not equate to an increased market share.
>> how many businesses are running freely downloadable linux with no support from a third party?
We are, for a start – frankly our maintenance butget has shrunk enormously in terms of both accountable time and hard cash. Most weeks I hear of someone similar, and I don’t even get about much.
>>xbox is on the verge of knocking out nintendo. sega is already done for.
Nintendo are much bigger in the far East than you realise – xbox are basically nowhere outside the US. Sega? They stopped making consoles before MS even entered the game! – so not much of a victory there.
>>xbox live online service has been a stellar success for ms.
$50M pa? Does not really cover their costs.
To be honest Microsoft is going to go the way of ibm – highly profitable and with moderate growth compared to other companies of its size and also a market leader, however, it will not be able to determine which direction the market is going in to the extent it has for the last decade.
Agreed. Their stock does seem now to be priced, too, in an increasing realisation of this in financial circles, moving down to good levels after an inflated value when everyone was completely spellbound by a ‘magic future’. The article reflects this well.
The Independent is lefty? The Irish Independent is a right wing rag! Funny that…