Muglia, a 16-year veteran of Microsoft, is tasked with building Longhorn Server, likely the most complex operating system ever designed. What’s more, Muglia must keep a long train of updates and service packs for older versions of Windows rolling off the production line. He sat down with CNET News.com to talk about Longhorn, the evolving Linux threat and how Microsoft builds Windows.
Interview with Microsoft’s Bob Muglia Regarding Longhorn
2004-05-21 Windows 14 Comments
Then what do you call NTFS?
Care to explain the If you look at the latest 2.6 kernel comment??? how is it innovative?
What is the innovation that will turn millions of companies away from their current IT investment?
OH NO! Not Microsoft Bob again!
Anyway, @Joe, NT has had a journaling filesystem since it was released, it’s called NTFS.
It seems to me that all the innovation in the computer industry seems to have disappeared or at least slowed to a crawl. Saying that OSS or Closed source is inovative seems to miss the big picture, there is no innovation left. Something will have to change and change big before we see any real innovation again.
It seems to me that all the innovation in the computer industry seems to have disappeared or at least slowed to a crawl.
There has never been a lot of innovation in the computer industry, mostly evolution.
Something will have to change and change big before we see any real innovation again.
Then again. Do we need innovation just for the sake of innovation? It’s usually the small improvements that counts in the long run anyway.
1) the first electronic computer
2) the first compiler
3) the first portable OS
4) networking (the internet falls under this)
4) the first Personal home computers (there were a lot of them in the 70’s, thanks Home Brew Computer Club)
5) the first GUI
yep, it pretty much stopped there, everything else has been extensions of the GUI driven OS, or networking technologies.
The web browser or HTML is probably #6
Napster is #7
Could someone please point out to this ignoramus (me) what journaling attributes NTFS has and how they compare with say XFS, Ext3, Reiser FS????
From personal experiance I know that NTFS as a file system seems more susceptable to corruption and errors especially with fragmentation than at least Ext3 and Reiser FS. Matter of fact it is a general dog and requires constant maintenance for decent operation. Doesn’t seem to be a very capable journaled FS to me.
Well, I’ve never had a single problem with NTFS with corruption. It is really a full modern journaling file system, with all the features and stability you should expect from one. If you have had file corruption you believe is from loss of power (which is where journaled file systems save the day), you probably have faulty hardware.
The general concensus seems to be partially journaled…
Filing systems that support JFS include the following:
* Apple’s HFS (journaling is turned off by default)
* Linux Ext3, ReiserFS, XFS, and JFS
Some say that Windows NTFS does not really offer a journaled file system. The current version of NTFS (the predominant file system within Windows 2000 and XP), does not handle full-fledged journaling; change-journal logs note alterations to files but can’t provide enough information to reverse them. Microsoft won’t be offering full-fledged journaling until it releases the next major version of Windows which is expected in 2005. That version will include file system technology that Microsoft is developing as part of its “Yukon” SQL Server database, Microsoft has said.
“The world has changed a bit. If you went back 18 to 24 months ago, it was unclear what Linux would look like and how it would evolve. It was thought of as free. And there was a whole series of attributes that were attributed to Linux that in retrospect were inaccurate. As time has gone on, it’s apparent that Linux is becoming a set of offerings from commercial vendors. When I think of Linux, I don’t think about it as our competitor. I think about Linux as a technology that is used by our competitors to build competitive offerings.”
That’s an accurate statement. It isn’t the kernel itself or its developers who compete with Windows, it is those who use the kernel [and other software] as a viable end solution. Course, we know this already, but this from the mouth of a high MS spokesperson is something new. I never heard mr Ballmer saying this. He also seems to understand it isn’t free (as ib beer, though he doesn’t state beer the context is obvious). He hasn’t said it is Free (as in speech) nor has he defined Linux (we all know it is merely a kernel) which he recognizes -more or less later-:
“The problem with saying that Linux is my competitor is: What does that mean? What distribution of Linux (are you referring to)? If I look at a given Red Hat or SuSE Linux distribution or an IBM solution, I can look at how that’s a clear competitor and how that compares and contrasts with Windows.”
Wheh he is talking about distributions of Linux. Really this is new!
PS: I think it would be interesting when Longhorn Server would include some FLOSS things, like PHP. You have to understand why people chose PHP over ASP and include PHP in IIS (or something newer).
“Care to explain the If you look at the latest 2.6 kernel comment??? how is it innovative?
What is the innovation that will turn millions of companies away from their current IT investment?”
lots and lots
scalable vm and selinux for example
That the NTFS is in need of constant maintenance does not mean that NTFS is not Journaled. Most Journaled Filesystems are meta journaled (ReiserFS, JFS,…), which actually means that they do insure that the filejobs are being done but really doesn’t care about the content of the files – they do not insure you against data corruption.
Once a year I upgrade my eComStation, which means that my HPFS partitions never reaches a state when they need maintenance …. does that mean that HPFS is journaled ??
It is interesting that NTFS is unable to reverse operations, but not at all surprising … and now we got an explanaition on the full chkdsk when you boot windows with the dirty bit sat.
As for faulty hardware, it is a given that with the default Swap file settings Windows is usually loaded with that and the fact that MS productivity software loves to leave a whole lot of *.tmp garbage around on ones hard drive that inevitably within 6mth’s to a year NTFS will degrade performance wise. My experience is that unless you regularly, once a month minimum, defrag your NTFS partitions then Windows will start to have operation problems. Some application crashes and faults can be mearly attributed to the state of fragmentation NTFS is suffering from. Coupled with the problems one has with the registry and one has a OS performance problem. I have yet to experience that on other OS platforms. We run Win2K Graphic Workstations and they are coupled to a NT Print Server and a Linux based print server (using Reiser FS). Guess which system has the least in maintenence issues? All of them are getting quite a workout but it is the FS on the windows systems that require constant attention especially with the workload we do in content creation.
I also provide PC support to many small business and home users and cleaning up the registry and hard drives (along with some OS updates) are usually what’s required to get their systems back up and running. A bonus for support people but a real PIA for the end user. Just MHO.