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Perhaps you missed this line in the Microsoft advisory:
This vulnerability affects computers that have Internet Explorer installed. (You do not have to be using Internet Explorer as your Web browser to be affected by this issue.)
It affects computers where IE is installed. That doesn’t mean that you can get infected without using IE (or the renderer), it just means it doesn’t affect computers where IE is not installed (98Lite?). In other words, besides visiting an infected web page or reading an infected email message, how else can you get infected?
A nun, he moos
I know you’re just looking for a fight and all, but I’m not trying to “make a case”. I’m just arguing that one can indeed say that KDE has a nicer UI than WinXP, and that this does not constitute trolling.
The original poster did not say KDE had a nicer UI – he said it was better. My whole point here is that nicer GUI != better. It certainly doesn’t hurt anything if it has a nicer GUI, but you gotta look at the whole picture if you wanna say it’s better.
“Here is another flaw in the logic of many Linux pundets – refusing to consider any apps in Windows for comparison except for what’s included with the OS.”
Well, we’re comparing the UIs of a basic system here, not the entire gamut of applications available for either systems.
In a previous post, you said Konqueror is a better file and web browser than Windows/Internet Explore. Certainly you were referring to functionality here, not the UIs? If you’re talking about functionality, you cannot simply limit the discussion to what is included with the OS – that is unfair.
I don’t agree with the “inferior apps” jab. First, I’m not sure the apps you refer to have all of Konq’s functionalities, and I don’t know if the ones they have that Konq lacks are all that useful.
That’s not really the point. The point is that when you say Konquerer is better than Windows Explorer, you are indirectly saying that Windows Explorer is the only choice for file managers available for Windows, and thus Konquerer is better than anything Windows have to offer. You’re doing the same thing when you compare Konquerer (the browser) to IE. And other pundits do it when they compare The Gimp to MS Paint, OpenOffice to WordPad, MPlayer/Xine to WMP, etc.
And the fact that it’s free, both as in beer and as in speech, gives it a definite advantage over other solutions. Especially for cash-strapped individuals and corporations, here and in the rest of the world.
I’m not saying it’s a bad app (that’s a matter of opinion) – I’m just saying that better apps can be found elsewhere.
As for Directory Opus, go here:
http://www.monroeworld.com/reviews/dopus.php
Konquerer and Directory Opus are really two different animals. Konquerer’s strength is its integration, Dopus’s strength is its customization. Personally, I’d rather have the customization
One thing that Dopus doesn’t do is browse the web, which (IMHO) is a good thing, as it eliminates a lot of the bloat that Konq has
I have the latest KDE 2.2 with Fedora Core 2 installed.
It is preloading, everything else is very snappy, just Konqueror sucks.
its not the system either, I am running a dual 2.4 Ghz Xeon with a GB of Ram, w/ a geforce 5900 FX (latest nvidia driver, works great) on a 2.6 customized kernel. btw the KDE performance issue was a problem even before I upgraded the kernel.
Really the only problem I have with linux is all the redundant software that gets installed from the distros. I’d use gentoo if I had the time to compile just what I wanted. I like the fedora Core base, but I’d get rid of Konqueror and about 80% of the extra apps if i knew how to w/o breaking everything.KDE seems to come with a lot of extra useless apps for me as well. or maybe its just what Fedora Core installs by default when you tell it to install KDE…
but I digress.
@Kevin
I’ll look into that next time I boot into linux. I got the explaination written on my trusty “Paper Notebook of +5 Memory”.
One thing that Dopus doesn’t do is browse the web, which (IMHO) is a good thing, as it eliminates a lot of the bloat that Konq has
There is no bloat associated with that. The html rendering part is sort of plugin, which doesn’t hinder Konqueror the file manager in any way. It does not even get loaded unless you are viewing html files / starting Konqueror the web-browser.
enloop, sorry to say this but : iptables is a firewall.
I have a lot of servers running iptables and only iptables! Software like firestarter are iptables gui but the firewall part is iptables.
Mandrake doesn’t activate a firewall by default, it’s FUD.
That’s not really the point. The point is that when you say Konquerer is better than Windows Explorer, you are indirectly saying that Windows Explorer is the only choice for file managers available for Windows, and thus Konquerer is better than anything Windows have to offer.
No I’m not. You’re putting words into my mouth in order to support your argument. That’s a bit dishonest.
By comparing Konq with Windows/Internet Explorer, I am comparing default setups, nothing more.
You’re doing the same thing when you compare Konquerer (the browser) to IE.
Nope. Comparing default setups. Though I do think that Konq is the better web browser, period.
And other pundits do it when they compare The Gimp to MS Paint,
Sorry, but that’s not true. Gimp compares favorably to Photoshop, not MS Paint. It’s got almost all of its features.
And you do realize that you’re as much a pundit as those you are criticizing, right?
OpenOffice to WordPad,
Again, OpenOffice is generally compared to MS Office, not WordPad. If you need to distort the truth to support your argument, then it’s probably not a very good argument in the first place!
MPlayer/Xine to WMP
Uh, what else would you be comparing MPlayer/Xine to? RealPlayer? The QuickTime player? Again, Mplayer beats all of these hands down.
As for Directory Opus, you didn’t answer my question about its missing features (other than Web Browser). If it can’t do remote file managing through SSH, then it’s useless to me.
Arakon
Have you tried Krusader? I personally haven’t, but some people prefer it to Konqueror.
Yeah right. And WindowsXP’s gui crashes out all the time too. I’m so tired of the Linux fanboys its sickening. I love the idea of linux but no way you can tell me it has the plug and play, stablility, directx9, etc that XP has. If all I needed was a notepad, email, mp3 and a browser maybe.”
Well it does. If I install a graohics card, it detects it. No need for huting for drivers.Pluse all the programs I need, including burning CD’s, Office suit, Web Server, Mail, Server, DNS, p2p, mulitimedia players that can play the majority of codecs out of the box, DVD support and the list goes on….
I have Plug N Play Printer (Hp PhotoSmart 7350), Scanner (Canon Lide 30), TFT Monitor, I run Battlefield Vietnam, Max Payne 2, Unreal 2004… which all require either DirectX 8 or 9.
Good for you. Linux can do the same.
I dont have to install any drivers for my graphicis card its Nvidia,
Nethear did I its Radeon7500
My Trust digi camera works without any drivers and I can save my pictures and manipulate then as I wish using Gimp2.
Same here and i’m still talkinig about Linux!
I read Microsoft Word Docs, PowerePoint, Excel… I can edit them and send them back in the same format using Start Office 7
I can do the same thing using OpenOffice.
– Oh and yes I read my mail which is connected to an exchange server using the Xaim Connetor, and listen to
Same here but qmail. Safe and secure!
MP3’s, Browse the Net and watch commercial DVD’s – All on my Linux OS. This to me is a fully functional Operating System.
Yep I can do that too and I don’t have to purchase any 3rd party shit.
Now I am not going to get into a “my OS is better than your OS” conversation,
So what was the point of the above? What you described is not what most people go through unless you talk about an OEM version and after that you still have to deal with Viruses, trojans and spyware.
all I am doing is pointing out that Linux has moved on and so has Windows.
ok
The reason for my post is to put some balance in to this thread.
So you troll it. ok….
I dont have to recompile my kernel – I dont even know how!
Neather do I and yes I’m still talking about Linux!
and I dont patch my OS. I use Linspire4.5 as my main OS at home.
I use both RH9 and SuSE8.2! Not even the newest distro!
I agree MS has it place in the Desktop world
Yepers! Thanks to windows , writing viruses has never been easier! Thanks Bill!
but so do other OSes and to bash one over the other without putting your requirements forward to see if they are meet is short sighted.
Usualy people ‘Bash’ M$ with good reason. Most Linux users, like myself, are ex windows users and are sick when it comes to overall computing with windows. Now infecting thmem and its a different story, I couldn’t be more happy with windows and I can’t wait till Longhorn!
I also agree that MS does some functionality that Linux/Unix/Mac/Inset other types of OS you whish here,
They used to in 98 but not anymore.
better than those mentioned, but the line between them all is getting more and more fuzzy.
Not really. As far as over all computing. Then Linux/BSD/OSX has over taken windows from that stand point. The only thing the ‘alternative’ OS’es don’t do is invest huge amounts into PR
MS isnt the ONLY OS and NEITHER is LINUX – which is a very good thing for us the customer because it is driving prices down on all formats
I agree!
(Windows is now selling at a reduced price in many Asian countries and Commercial Linux OSes are now being punted out free of charge SuSe9.1, Xandros 2.0….) So I do like that fact that this is happening.
yep….
Now to get back on topic, I like the new version of KDE 3.3 it’s not a big leap forward from 3.2. As this product matures over then next few years it will be a very nice tool to use. The speed of opening applications has always been a bit of a cripe with me, but as this is being worked on, then this will soon be a thing of the past – I have to say that I have never used Gnome and I really need to just so I can see what the differences are.
Like I’ve said before, its great that KDE is improving and they are now focasing on speed and durability. But I have been using KDE 3.1 and I am very happy with it. So I’ll personally stay where I am.
“Mandrake doesn’t activate a firewall by default, it’s FUD.”
Although I don’t know if I would exactly call that FUD, you are absolutely correct…the user must either enable it during system installation or through the Control Center (or, of course, the user could just configure iptables themselves). Thanks for catching that, BTW…it’s not good to have inaccurate info wafting around
By comparing Konq with Windows/Internet Explorer, I am comparing default setups, nothing more.
But why are you only comparing defaults? By doing this, are you not implying that in Windows, you’re stuck with the defaults? Besides, Linux doesn’t really have a ‘default’ anyway, does it?
As for comparing Gimp with MS Paint, Wordpad to OpenOffice etc, I’ve seen it done by zealots before. Sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly when they talk about the ‘thousands’ of apps that come with a default Linux distro and comapre that to what comes with Windows. What’s really stupid about it is that all the open source apps mentioned (with the possible exception of Xine, not sure) run in Windows anyway.
Uh, what else would you be comparing MPlayer/Xine to? RealPlayer? The QuickTime player? Again, Mplayer beats all of these hands down.
I like Media Player Classic (cross-platform open source player) for viewing movies, PowerDVD for DVDs. There are certainly others as well, though I don’t play with them personally.
As for Directory Opus, you didn’t answer my question about its missing features (other than Web Browser).
Well, for one thing, a lot of ‘missing features’ revolve around Konquerer as a web browser, which does not directly apply. For the rest, what I tried to explain to you as that the feature-sets between the two apps are vastly different and not directly comparable in a chart-like fashion. I do believe that if you look at the apps as a whole, Dopus is much more powerful.
If it can’t do remote file managing through SSH, then it’s useless to me.
Not familiar with SSH and how it compares to say, a VNC session or a mapped network drive, sorry.
You need to write rules for iptables. No rules, no firewall. That’s what firestarter and similar tools do: provide a basic set of canned rules and allow a user to tweak them via a GUI.If you know what you are doing — most Linux users do not and will not, nor should they be expected to — you could write the rules yourself.
You need to write rules for iptables. No rules, no firewall. That’s what firestarter and similar tools do: provide a basic set of canned rules and allow a user to tweak them via a GUI.If you know what you are doing — most Linux users do not and will not, nor should they be expected to — you could write the rules yourself.
Just to add to this, I’m not really so concerned with rules as much as I am which applications are trying to access the Internet. Personally, my outlook on this is that an app I’m using can phone home as much as it wants, so long as it doesn’t install any ‘helper’ apps to do its bidding or doesn’t do anything stupid like a DOS attack or something. If I’m using RealPlayer (or whatever) to watch streaming video, if it wants to send info about what I’m watching to my ‘corporate masters’, I could really care less. Not like they’re going to do anything useful with the info anyway. The worst they could do is try to send me personalized ads, which I’d never see anyway.
I think you may of missed my point, I was referencing a post by By Ron Howard titled “ya right” about 10 posts in, who referenced that Windows was better than Linux and I was saying that Linux had all the bits I need.
And All the points I made was that Linx was Plug N Play on my Printer, Scanner, Digi Camera, Graphics Card..etc..etc
Then you say that all the stuff I do you can do on Linux, but that what I WAS talking about all the Stuuf I do is on Linux.
This was not intended as a Troll post or a flame, so if it was read as that, then ask a mod to remove it
Oh well never mind – Back to boiling my brain
tiki
But why are you only comparing defaults? By doing this, are you not implying that in Windows, you’re stuck with the defaults?
Nope. Neither are you in Linux.
The file browser is an integral part of any OS offering. Here we are comparing what both OSes offer by default. This is important, as for large deployments there is no budget for add-ons.
Besides, Linux doesn’t really have a ‘default’ anyway, does it?
KDE does. Konqueror is the default Web/File Browser.
Well, for one thing, a lot of ‘missing features’ revolve around Konquerer as a web browser, which does not directly apply.
The following points concern file browsing:
– Tabs
– Mouse gestures
– Other types of archives than zip files (i.e. gzip, tar, rar, CD isos)
– More than just two split views
– automatically generated HTML image galleries
– visual directory plugins like filelight and fsview
As far as I could tell (but I could be wrong) these features are missing from Directory Opus.
Not familiar with SSH and how it compares to say, a VNC session or a mapped network drive, sorry.
SSH is the Secure Shell Protocol. Through the fish:// kio slave, Konqueror can connect to any machine running a SSH server, login as a user and browse the filesystems available to that user. There are circumstances where this is much less of a hassle (and more secure) than setting up mapped drives and such. It is not a remote desktop, but just the ability to browse a file system visually (i.e. through Konq) through a secure shell connection. Very useful, and very fast once you’ve established the connection.