Home > Oracle and SUN > McNealy: Microsoft integration work slow going McNealy: Microsoft integration work slow going Eugenia Loli 2004-10-18 Oracle and SUN 14 Comments The integration of Microsoft and Sun Microsystems technology is progressing, but it is more complex than envisioned, according to Scott McNealy, Sun’s chief executive. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 14 Comments 2004-10-19 12:18 am I’m not all that familiar w/ the formalities of the settlement, how will this bode for Java? Does Sun plan to integrate Java and .NET technologies? If yes, how so? I just switched to using Java as my primary programming platform after 3.5 years of C# and .NET and personally, I’m already more comfortable w/ Java than I ever was with C#, others may have had different experiences. Just curious how much mingling and mashing together of the two technologies we have to look forward to (or not look forward to)? 2004-10-19 12:22 am may I suggest http://www.netbeans.org if you are new to Java . It’s the most Visual Studio-ish IDE i know of. In a good way that is. 2004-10-19 12:22 am From the article: And as for concerns that a dollar-based pricing for services will cannibalize Sun’s business, McNealy said: “That’s been a 23-year issue for Sun. I’d rather we do it than other folks. Cannibalizing your own is better than having them cannibalize you, believe me.” That’s certainly an honest and understandable position. 2004-10-19 12:33 am Personally, I am waiting to see how Sun get skinned. 2004-10-19 1:01 am Unless they get Open Office and Office working together seamlessly (never happen!). 2004-10-19 1:39 am I am wondering how getting things to work well together is not a “good thing”. 2004-10-19 1:49 am i love Sun for one thing, and thats java! I hope they don’t mess it up 2004-10-19 2:30 am They are all “chaps”, huh? They remind me of something though. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” 🙂 2004-10-19 2:55 am Actually, I’ve been building Swing apps with Eclipse, the Eclipse Visual Editor (VE). This has given me the most visual studio-esque environment available, only it’s much better than VS! Couldn’t be happier, unless of course this settlement *cough, cough, payoff, ahem* somehow causes the sun to set (bad pun intended) and Java to somehow fade into obscurity. Unlikely given its popularity & growth but I’d hate to invest too much of my own time into it to see it fade out. I think Sun has *not* been the best ward of Java thus far or it would have been more prevalent on the desktop by now. It certainly is capable and Swing is just *awesome* (NOTE: I’m developing solely with J2SE 5.0) 2004-10-19 3:30 am Swing is awesome, Java rocks and Sun does not always “play the right Java cards.” All that said, I don’t use Java anymore. But I *used* to. 🙂 And I still consider Java a nice fallback for future projects. 2004-10-19 4:35 am >They remind me of something though. “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.” 🙂 Thing is, Sun seems to change who their “enemy” is on a day to day basis. 2004-10-19 9:41 am > i love Sun for one thing, and thats java! I hope they don’t mess it up I seriously doubt there is anything to worry about in regards to Java, Sun won’t give anything up to Microsoft. As far as I know this intergration work has more to do with the interop of federated identity products, so it is mostly about directory/identity server integration from both companies. Don’t forget Sun and M$ still hate each others guts judging by the recent snipes Sun and M$ exchanged in respect to StarOffice/MSOffice. McNealy is still talking about Windows as a bug ridden virus infested hairball in almost every speech, so the battle is still on. 2004-10-19 1:44 pm Sorry all, Several questions need to be asked here: 1) How long will this “deal” really last? 2) What are the details that they(Sun) are not telling us? 3) Who bent over first? 4) How does this “deal” affect us developers? 5) How many times does it take for Sun to realize you DON’T trust Microsoft?!?! Truth be told: The devil(Microsoft & Co.) NEVER does anything for free. . .I mean NEVER. He will either give up a little of something for something BIG in return, so I wonder what is the devil aiming for. So someone here is buying time for something. History repeats itself again here folks. The question is, who is the crocidile(Microsoft & Co.) going to eat last?! 2004-10-19 6:30 pm McNealy confirmed that the companies are focusing on linking their respective directory servers, Microsoft’s Active Directory and Sun’s Java Enterprise LDAP Directory, to provide single sign-on capabilities for companies using both servers. This will be cool as hell! I still say that Novell should port NDS to Linux to provide similiar functionality.