While the secrets of Easter Island in the South Pacific remain a mystery, Sun Microsystems is planning to reveal new details regarding Solaris 10 on November 15.And much like the detailed stone sculptures on the island — known as Moai — cause visitors to gaze in awe, Solaris 10 has demonstrated its technology innovations are making history and clearly showing that Sun is 10 steps ahead of the competition, says Sun.
Stay tuned to learn more in the days counting up to Sun’s Solaris 10 launch.
Also, Sun Microsystems has hired a new vice president of marketing for its Solaris operating system, luring Tom Goguen from Apple Computer.
If only my mainboard chipset would be supported I would certainly use Solaris at home too.
Can’t wait to try their new features.
Looking forward to more info…..
You see, when Solaris 10 ships with JDS3 GUI/mgmt tools on top, budding geeks will try it. And that’s key, because it breeds familiarity. That means they are INFORMED. And THAT means good things for Solaris.
I learned Linux by using Gnome on RH. Now I administer headless servers, but I know it came eventual experience. Solaris is not side by side with Linux at all – the device naming is different, the file system is different, etc. The more people who muck with it, the better for Sun and Solaris’ future.
JDS isnt the key to new solaris desktops. there are other features within an enterprise that really counts. Solaris 10 is hyped too much. I really hope Sun does something good or its going to lose away on disappointment
November 15 is the LAUNCH date, that is NOT the shipment date; Eugenia, could you PLEASE make sure that you point out the difference so that we don’t end up with a list of people wondering where Solaris 10 is when launch time rolls around.
With tbat being said, the biggest importance will be their x86 version considering that the x86-64 version will be made available for the first time, meaning, for the first time businesses will no longer have to purchase SPARC machines to get 64bit goodness, they can purchase an Opteron machine from SUN, loaded with Solaris, and get all the perks of the Solaris platform without the expense normally associated with SPARC machines.
Sun sure is proud of this, or they would let people download it anonymously…
i would give it a spin if they did allow an anonymous download, i know i could fill in bogus info, but bogus info is not my cup of tea…
Hi,
Dude, how about reading some of the documentation/literature about what’s new in Sol10 before posting what inevitably only makes you appear ignorant.
JDS is only a small part of the new Sol10 feature-set. Stuff like DTrace, Zones, ZFS, SMF, FireEngine (TCP/IP Stack), Self-Healing etc. – these are the ‘enterprise features’ – and no, it won’t “lose away with disappointment”
Seriously, read the e-docs before posting.
Bye,
Victor
PS: “New Features of the Solaris 10 Operating System” might be a good place to start.
http://suned.sun.com/US/catalog/courses/WS-9000-S10-90.html
Hi
Funny, deja vu. Haven’t you posted baseless critcisms’s like this sort of thing before?
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=8403
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=5388
http://www.osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=8571
I mean, stuff like:
if there really is a battle between Sun & Redhat i want Redhat to win :^)
just my $00.02
could be regarded as a bit…childish, really.
And comments like
…Sun’s Linux distro is starting to become a little dated, time for Sun to make a new release with current packages or throw in the towel, Linux moves faster than that…
This isn’t a battle to see who can have the latest, bleeding-edge software out before the competition – this is about making a reliable, well-tested and trialled, enterprise product, using software with a known track-record.
So, back to your current complaints:
This is a *trial* product that Sun is letting people beta-test, before they release it. Have you tried downloading a trial-version of RH Entperise before? No – because they don’t let you – and no, compiling it from source-code to prove how manly you are, or downloading some unofficial re-hash doesn’t count.
Your details are used for usage tracking and feedback. Do you complain when places like Coles (a supermarket chain – like Walmart, I believe) video-tape you when you’re in their stores? Do you complain when Microsoft asks you to fill in a registration form to get access to their Support?
Sun is letting you download beta-products for free, and all they’re asking is for an email address and name – if you’re that worried that aliens are going to come down and kidnap you using just those two bits of information, just put in foobar@sun_suxs.com.
And from personal experience, Sun does not send unsolicited mail – the only mail that could be considered even remotely like ‘junk’ was a reminder about their NC web-conference, which I actually agreed to (but forgot about).
Bye,
Victor
Eugenia, that’s the best lead I’ve ever read for a story. Sun ought to hire you & pay you (or they ought to hire & pay whoever came up with that line about Easter Island, if it wasn’t you).
my email addres and personal info is nobodys business unless i decide to reveal it to whomever, that that includes Sun Microsystems, i finally got a spamfree email adress and i intend to keep it that way, and no, i do not trust Sun enough to give my email addres to…
i can’t wait to install Solaris 10. i don’t have the bandwidth now, but i will in a few days. i can always order the media kit for $100.
i used Solaris 2.6 shells way back in the day, and installed 8 x86 one time. that pkg get and blastwave repository looks pretty cool.
It would be nice if Sun would fix this (Solaris 10_69) before going gold.
I’m running an AMD 2200+ which is a plain old x86. CDE runs fine. JDS3 core dumps. I ran a failsafe session and confirmed that simple things like running “metacity &” or “gnome-session” from the command line core dump.
Disappointing since the old Gnome2.0 desktop ran fine but was dated on Solaris 10_63.
they can purchase an Opteron machine from SUN, loaded with Solaris, and get all the perks of the Solaris platform without the expense normally associated with SPARC machines.
will it work on AMD-64 consumer grade stuff?
also a dedicated hobbyist could order an old Ultra. i see them for $40 to $200 routinely. i’d hope most Ultras would support Sol 9 or 10.
Hi,
Arggh, did you read anything I said.
Your real email address isn’t needed – just put in a bogus one if you’re so inclined – although an address like foobar@schwartz_is_a_ponytailed_freak might be somewhat obvious *grin*.
And no, I have not ever recieved spam from Sun, and neither has anybody else who signed up for Solaris Express that I have spoken to – and yes, we do talk between outselves, try some of the Sun forums, or perhaps Blastwave.
Bye,
Victor
This is a *trial* product that Sun is letting people beta-test, before they release it. Have you tried downloading a trial-version of RH Entperise before? No – because they don’t let you – and no, compiling it from source-code to prove how manly you are, or downloading some unofficial re-hash doesn’t count.
that may be true, but Novell had the developer’s package with SuSE Pro and SuSE Enterprise. Redhat has some EL clones that are almost totally equivalent (i hear).
i’m glad Solaris does all the betas, academic license, and right-to-use though. it’s very accessible to admins as well as hobbyists.
Have you tried downloading a trial-version of RH Entperise before? No – because they don’t let you – and no, compiling it from source-code to prove how manly you are, or downloading some unofficial re-hash doesn’t count.
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get your facts straight
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/nahant/iso/
redhat does give you offical trial versions which supports more architectures than solaris and is more complete
my email addres and personal info is nobodys business unless i decide to reveal it to whomever, that that includes Sun Microsystems, i finally got a spamfree email adress and i intend to keep it that way, and no, i do not trust Sun enough to give my email addres to…
know unix at all? shell accounts are great for this type stuff. u can set one up in 5 min, dump a bunch of trials mail to it, then not use it for 3 months and it gets purged.
i have several expendable addresses. besides the shells, i have 7 potential earthlink addresses and 2 on AOL. an expendable account is dime a dozen.
the only thing i fake is my phone number, cause i don’t want to be awakened early. (if they want me, they can physically mail a brochure or questionare).
“get your facts straight
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/nahant/iso/
redhat does give you offical trial versions which supports more architectures than solaris and is more complete
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Now lets be a little more honest than to point to a random link. The only thing I found there were beta’s. I didn’t see any trial iso’s.
Now lets be a little more honest than to point to a random link. The only thing I found there were beta’s. I didn’t see any trial iso’s.
you must admit they are easier to download than even Sun’s (which only take 5 min to register). something like VMware is more of a pain cause you have to register to get the link and product key. some products like Checkpoint require $20 to try, and getting a high-end firewall demo (e.g. Sidewinder) often means contacting the company via the phone.
the only downside is navigating Sun’s site. it can be unweildy compared to some (just not my style).
Now lets be a little more honest than to point to a random link. The only thing I found there were beta’s. I didn’t see any trial iso’s.
in 1 min of googling, i found devel trial of EL, and general trial of RH desktop (not fedora).
http://www.redhat.com/solutions/industries/developer/products/basic…
http://www.redhat.com/software/rhel/desktop/eval/
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/beta/nahant/iso/i386/
You cant be serious. didnt you even bother going into ANY of the folders. they are official redhat enterprise 4 beta releases.
details here
http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/20040928102848128
tell me how redhat doesnt release trial versions again victor?
I tried installing Solaris 10 on my opteron, based on my ASUS SK8V board. all was going well but the install keeps freezing at 18% ? any ideas ?
Snake
You cant be serious. didnt you even bother going into ANY of the folders. they are official redhat enterprise 4 beta releases.
Slash is making a distinction between betas and trial versions. read his post again.
however, the other links posted are clearly trials of the finished product. so Victor was wrong.
is this going to be available for free for students and hobbyists? if so when will we be able to get a free download?
Considering 8, 9, and 10 betas are free for students, and Sun wants to make Solaris open-source, I’d bet there’ll be a free download. It’s a good strategy to attract people like me who have tried Linux and the BSDs but wouldn’t pay for commercial UNIX just to mess around and learn the system.
When they include ZFS I’ll probably switch my FreeBSD fileserver to Solaris.
I don’t understand the very negative attitude Linux zealots have towards Sun and the BSD’s. Who cares if Sun wants to compete with Linux? It’s a company and that’s exactly what it is supposed to be doing. I think it’s great that Solaris is going open source. It should be celebrated by open source evangelists all over. Solaris is the crown jewels of Sun and it is being opened up for everyone to see. It’s a win-win situation for everyone. In the open source world, we will have Linux, BSD, and Solaris. Those are three really great operating system. And best of all, I love the fact that they compete. Just as KDE makes gnome better and vice versa, Linux has made BSD and Solaris better, Solaris has made BSD and Linux better, and BSD has made Linux and Solaris better. I have played with the latest Beta of Solaris 10, and it is amazingly fast, well organized, and pretty.
Does anyone know if looking glass is runnable on solaris 10? or if it is included in the beta?
Thanks
hurricane
It would also be nice if people read what people post; 15 November is the LAUNCH date, the shipment date is still another 2 months away.
Hi,
Ironical, isn’t it. Your original complaint was the fact that you had to provide an email address and name to download Solaris 10. Yet read through the link about RH beta you provided again – see the part about Redhat Network Agent, and “we encourage you to register in order to receive…” – hmmm, sound kinda familiar?
Bye,
Victor
The problems with JDS on x86 is documented:
http://docs.sun.com/db/doc/817-0552/6mgbi4fge?a=view
Difference is that you DONT need to sign a contract
@slash
I dont understand SUN zealots either. atleast linux is free/open source software and has an idealogy behind it
Regarding the RH EL 4 beta/trial. It is not “free”. Red Hat requires that you have a RH EL 3 license to use up2date. Just a FYI. I am not trying to stir the pot.
I can’t find anything about JDS on x86 at that link.
Interactive installer does a great job,allthough it hung at some point and spawned a shell.So i decided to give interactive text install a try.I got a message: no disks being detected.At least now i know why it hung during interactibe GUI install,no graphical related problem.For the rest i think its game over for the time being.
The second issue (x86: Program That Configures Keyboard, Display, and Mouse Not Working for X Server (6178669)) is the problem behind JDS not working. Without a working configuration, JDS fails.
In my case it does not see my ATI Radeon card (Xsun does see it). CDE works just fine at 1280×1024 after setting the configuration through kdmconfig (there is a problem with kdmconfig and using a KVM switch).
Wrong. they dont require previous versions. just try that and confirm
I ran into this too, it’s not freezing or broken. Give the system a couple of minutes and the install continues. I’ve only seen this happen on systems that don’t have enough RAM to contain the install environment.. so as the packages get installed, the desktop doesn’t have enough resources to refresh timely at certain points. In anycase, it will continue and complete:)
I got it working on a Gigabyte mobo with an athlon proc and a compaq evo without any issues.
Hi Robert,
Thanks for posting the links to the beta 7/build 69 issues. The JDS issue that you note is probably only part of the problem. If you run a failsafe session as the login session, try running “metacity &” or “gnome-session &”. Both of these programs core dump. However, “twm &” brings up a lovely green window manager.
There’s probably a library problem that mucks up JDS.
Cheers,
hd
Has anybody managed to get JDS working with Solaris 10 installed as a guest OS in VMware? Any easy to follow docs for getting it to work? CDE seems to work fine, but whenever I try to log into JDS, it kicks me back out to the login screen.
Craig
“I dont understand SUN zealots either. atleast linux is free/open source software and has an idealogy behind it”
I’m not talking as a Sun zealot (if they even exist). I’m talking as an OS zealot. I personally can appreciate each OS for what they offer (yes even Windows.) Solaris is an awesome, very capable, state of the art, stable Unix. And now Sun is openning it up like they openned up Star Office. They are openning it up for the world to see and contribute to. I just don’t understand why people are reacting to OpenSolaris so vehemently. Why didn’t people react to OpenOffice, yes the office suite that is the defacto standard in the open source world, as they are reacting to OpenSolaris. Why are people even afraid of OpenSolaris? We are getting an awesome opensource system. What is wrong with that?
JDS coredumps the gnome apps. There’s a problem with the JDS3 build for x86 in Solaris 10 beta7/build69.
-hd
May I suggest that you join up to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/solarisx86/
and post that question on the list; the problem is normally something really basic, like turning off the built in raid on the MB, or upgrading the MB firmware to the latest version.
Yes, you are signing a contract; you are saying “I [name] will use this only to envaluate, then after 30 days, I shall either remove it from my system or purchase a full Red Hat license”, no different to SUN requesting that you confirm that you’re either using Solaris as a evaluation or in a non-commercial environment.
More details on Solaris 10 in 113 pictures here:
http://www.hup.hu/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=7254
I’ve heard from people who work in Sun that the
engineers (and other staff) are building their
own athlon64-based systems and they work just
fine in 64bit as well as 32bit mode.
The tyan 2885 mobo seems to be quite popular
for opteron systems btw.