Fedora Core 3, codenamed Heidelberg, was released this morning. FC3 features Gnome 2.8, KDE 3.3, and Linux kernel 2.6.9, as well as the introduction of Firefox and Thunderbird in Fedora. The ISO’s can be found on the many mirrors, and the torrent is here.
Fedora Core 3 Now Available
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good job!
You only have to shift the schedule ;-)…
mirrors are already slow – I guess Fedora is quite popular
Heidelberg – that’s the town where I live in. damn, now I have to leave Ubuntu and try Fedora …
Well I had been waiting for this release after my disappointment with Mandrake. Every version of Mandrake seemed to have little bugs everywhere. But, I brokedown and tried Ubuntu, and it has been hands down the best experience I have had w/ Linux. I feel no need to switch.
I can’t wait til I get home to download this. I’ve been looking forward to it for a while now.
I really need the 4th cd??
I’m downloading Fedora Core 3 Disc1 right now, havent used Fedora before but it seems to be great
I would just like to know what are on the CDs so I dont download them all for nothing. I coulndt find the information anywhere so could someone tell me?
Are the Fedora people still wrangling over which *-space is responsible for the dual boot snafu, or is this one XP friendly?
Anyone tried it on a laptop?
I’ve seen somewhere (maybe even here on OSNews) that FC3 came with a bunch of patch so that ACPI, sleep and hibernate fonctions works on more laptops (it includes a pre-2.6.10 patch with a major ACPI rewrite).
What was your experience with it?
i have been told that using apt or yum to upgrade is not recommended, better to go through anaconda. any confirmation?
I suggest you just get the first cd and do a net installation
Heidelberg – that’s the town where I live in. damn, now I have to leave Ubuntu and try Fedora …
Great town spent quite a bit of time there last year considering a job in Mannheim right now. Gonna download FC3 for x86_64 and see if it runs better then FC2
> I suggest you just get the first cd and do a net installation
If you are going to do a net install, you don’t need the whole first cd. Just download the boot.iso from http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/i…
only 4.9 megs of download that way… well, that + all the packages during the install 🙂
I think that the 4th CD contains the source code.
My only question is whether or not my wireless network card will work out of the box or not.
http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/os/R…
No its not. there are 4 binary iso. 4 source isos and one dvd
same question here
would be interested if it offered support for centrino as suse 9.2 claims it does
so Fedora has a built in net install function? that makes it much nicer 🙂
“Fedora Core 3 is optimized for Pentium 4 CPUs, but also supports earlier CPUs (such as Pentium, Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Pentium III, and including AMD and VIA variants). This approach has been taken because Pentium-class optimizations actually result in reduced performance for non-Pentium-class processors, and Pentium 4 scheduling is sufficiently different (while making up the bulk of today’s processors) to warrant this change.”
I have a dual P-III 1Ghz and I wasn’t planning on running Fedora. I am quite happy running Mandrake at home and I have some servers at work that run Suse.
But this issue troubles me a bit. Are the majority of the people using P-IVs and above? That’s not my experience. I encounter plenty of P-III and P-IIs every day. I hope the performance penalty for these earlier processors is not huge.
If you’re only looking for that… try Ubuntu. I did a net-install using my ipw2100 wireless card.
Does it still have the dual boot with Win XP problem?
Processor optimizations bother me as well. It seems like a bad plan to make things slow for the majority of people who will try this release. I wouldn’t think most people are using P4s, since Athlon is somewhat popular, and people who are trying linux out are probably going to do it on their old, second, computer. Sounds like trouble…
I remember the good old days when you average Linux distro was good at running on old hardware…
Debian Sarge is going to be released in just a month or two. If you can’t wait, Ubuntu is already here. Alternatively, there is FreeBSD and many other solutions.
Please do not support RedHat butcher freedom. By downloading and installing Fedora, you are hurting the truly free communities (Gentoo, FreeBSD, Ubuntu, Debian) because you are using RedHat’s beta product rather than free products.
Don’t fall for the upgrade cycle mess RedHat is pushing. Force RedHat to release an affordable supported version of their product. Force them to release patches for their products for at least 1 1/2 years.
http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/udev/
FC3 users please update to udev-039-10.FC3.1 after installation
Due to debugging code left accidently in the FC3 udev package, SIGCHLD signals are blocked in udev, which prevents getting the proper exit status in udev.rules. This means no cdrom symlinks are created and pam_console does not apply desktop user ownerships to any cdrom devices.
All users are urged to upgrade to this version after the installation of Fedora Core 3.
Oh no, Redhat is trying to make money…that must be evil.
I have to admit as pointed out by many peoples.
once concerns that i’ve had with fedora,is it’s extremely
short support lifecycle.
and btw fedora is barely evolutionary but not revolutionary,
innovation does not seem to be fedora’s goal.
Hehe someone is bitter!
If you don’t support Fedora cause it is ‘beta’ please delete open office since it is a ‘beta’ star office. also delete mozilla/firefox cause they were just a ‘beta’ for Netscape.
also NO, the duel boot bug is fixed.
also fedora works great for laptops
also don’t listen to the zealots, just cause you have a wireless card you don’t have to install ubunto.
Heh the tactics these zealots use is amazing. spread garbage they know not to be true just so you’ll use their distro. It’s kinda funny and sad at the same time.
over 2346 people showing to be sharing FC-3 on Azureus
expected to be really popular. Someone said fedora doesn’t do anything new but there is lots to be excited about.
Much better laptop/wifi support
much better hardware/network detection
Selinux on and protecting by default (also a strict policy for the ‘noid)
new yum (suppose to be faster)
second kernel 2.6 release so its expected to be more stable.
other small things like firefox, helix, ximian connecter, etc
This is the release ppl have been waiting for since FC1. if you want to d/l it use a torrent, I’m maxed out on the dvd torrent and many people have already finished. Its very fast.
Fc3 is using -march=i386 -mtune=pentium4 for most binaries. Any i386 processor can run them. Athlons run pentium4 optimized binaries without noticable performance loss. Pentium 3 are supposed to take a tiny hit. Pentium 4s are sensitive to instruction scheduling so optimizing for them can be a big performance boost.
If you follow the default install, you only need the first 2 CDS.
now when ubuntu is out, fedora seems to be it’s “smaller brother,” since it offers no advantages over ubuntu: no commercial/multimedia plugins; worse package management and last: it is some weeks late
any diff or anyone have a link to what is the different in the two
Apparently, the reason they did P4 optimizations is that the P4 is really sensitive to scheduling, while the Athlon does so much reordering, that it really doesn’t care. It makes sense that the Athlon would be able to run P4-optimized binaries without a performance hit, given that most software is still binary-only, and more likely than not optimized for Intel and not AMD.
I noticed that FC3 still ships MySQL 3.23.
I also read through all discussions/flamewars on fedora devel mailling list. The latest ones I found are here:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-January/msg01…
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-February/msg0…
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-October/msg05370.ht…
So, does redhat run out of excuses not including MySQL 4.x?
I must be too stupid to understand the reasons why redhat decides not to include MySQL 4.x.
“No, you don’t. Did I say that, zealot?”
No, you didn’t someone else did. you didn’t say anything about the duel boot, or other things either, I just mentioned them in that post instead of creating another.
MySQL V4 will be in FC4 (with libmysql V3) :
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2004-November/msg0…
I’m no expert on SElinux, i’m learning it too but the way I understand it, is the default policy protects only daemons (cups, apache, nfs, etc) while the strict policy is system wide basicly making/attempting it to be a ‘hardend’ system
http://fedora.redhat.com/docs/selinux-faq-fc3/
Also irc.freenode.net #fedora-selinux
>>now when ubuntu is out, fedora seems to be it’s “smaller brother,” since it offers no advantages over ubuntu: no commercial/multimedia plugins; worse package management and last: it is some weeks late
Reasons why I’m not using Ubuntu…
-Nvidia drivers break XMMS
-few apps in universe/multiverse
-printer/scanner are a no-go in Ubuntu, works in FC
-SimCity 3000 Unlimited segfaults in Ubuntu, not in FC
-downloading big files in Firefox would cause X to freeze
Nope. However, if it happens, check out http://www.fedoranews.org
“no commercial/multimedia plugins”
you mean proprietary stuff?
they arent provided by ubuntu either. its part of a seperate restricted repo just like rpm livna. looks like you dont know ubuntu or fedora completely. they both only provide 100% free/open source software by default
MySQL 4.0 was not distributed because mysql changed the license from lgpl to gpl which caused license compatibility problems when linking with php. they changed the license again which caused legal issues which has been acknowledged and the license has NOW been modified according to redhat’s legal dept concerns. fc4 and fc3 updates WILL include MYSQL 4.0. to understand the exact details you need to be a lawyer or have suitable experience dealing with licensing issues
> innovation does not seem to be fedora’s goal.
First with Xorg ? => Fedora (FC2)
First with Gnome 2.6 ? => Fedora (FC2)
First with SeLinux “out of the box” ? => Fedora (FC2 and FC3)
Full utopia (udev/hal/g-v-m, without the ugly pmount) ? => Fedora
First with ext3 resize online ? => Fedora (FC3)
First with ext3 revervation ? => Fedora (FC3)
First with subversion ? => Fedora (FC1)
First with ext3 httree ? => Fedora (FC1)
First with full support of lvm2 => Fedora (FC2)
…
Rest assured that Mozilla browser is still included. If you want to set it as your default browser,
Application –> Preferences –> More Preferences –> Preferred Applications
Highlights Web Browser and choose Mozilla.
“First with Xorg ? => Fedora (FC2) ”
…
…
I would also add exec-shield and stateless linux to that list.
both of which are not only first distro to have it, but created by RedHat’s team.
thats all, thx come again soon 😉
Sometimes, good things come to those who wait. Stability, usability, and productivity are my standard.
Does it work with AMD 64 Laptop sepcially the Touchpad issue has it been fixed yet.
Full utopia (udev/hal/g-v-m, without the ugly pmount) ? => Fedora
<p>The 1st implementation of utopia don’t was in ubuntu, with Gnome 2.8?
Sorry my poor english.
> The 1st implementation of utopia don’t was in ubuntu, with Gnome 2.8?
utopia need hotplug and hal witch are not part of Gnome.
Anyway, Ubuntu is the first distro with udev/hal/g-v-m.
> I would also add exec-shield
Add :
– utf-8 by default
– glibc2
– apache 2
– ext3
– anti-aliasing
– …
Is there any compact how-to on where to find and how to install proprietary plug-ins like:
– MP3 support
– NTFS support
– Windows font import (on a dual-boot machine)
– Macromedia Flash
– et al…
Tried google which gave a lot of different how-to’s, but a one-page-for-all would be nice for rather unexperienced linux people…
Add actually caring about no-english people to the list of Fedora firsts, like language switching Open-Office. No-way in Ubuntu, couldn’t even got spelling checker working with Dutch on Ubuntu after downloading it with OOo itself.
Now I’m in a rant mode, couldn’t even demonstrate the USB key automounting with HAL/GVM with Ubuntu (none of the three and a Sony camera, all of them no problem on my Gentoo machine at home with the same hardware configuration). Mp3, Audio CD and DVD didn’t work either and installation of it is a lot harder then on Fedora, google on Ubuntu and multimedia and try it, I failed too manage too get Totem too show DVD’s. My brother in law was really impressed with its first contact with Linux (NOT), especially when I showed him , after the above disaster, the package manager (Synaptic), Boy what a bloated user unfriendly GUI, tried to explain the working but got only glazed looks back. And the application I downloaded too show off the TV tune card (Zapping in Univers) turned out too be a very old version (still gtk-1.2) and garbled the complete screen. Quited right after that! Didn’t dare too demonstrate Kino and firewire camcorder connection, the disaster was allready great enough. Scratch this Windows user (my brother in law) from the list of people who started too think that Linux is ready for desktop use, Ubuntu showed him otherwise
Told him I would come back when Fedora Core 3 was out. Ubuntu can learn a thing or 1000 of from the Fedora distro. I Install it many times (and use it on my work) and it runs always beautifull even the installer (Anaconda) looks professional and user-friendly. I’m sure that Fedora will change his view.
RedHat is pushing a poorly tested product that forces you to upgrade about every six months. I just don’t understand the use of this. I guess if you wanted something to play around with, Fedora is interesting. But Fedora isn’t a good solution for desktop or server use unless the purpose of using your pc is to constantly upgrade it and track every little change RedHat puts in. But if that’s the case, I say use something like Debian. It offers both a bleeding edge solution and an extremely stable one, and the best part is that they are both free. Now that is something worth supporting.
All the major distros have had net installation for years now (I’m thinking of Red Hat, Mandrake, SuSE, Debian…)
Is there any compact how-to on where to find and how to install proprietary plug-ins like:
– MP3 support
– NTFS support
– Windows font import (on a dual-boot machine)
– Macromedia Flash
– et al…
http://www.fedorafaq.org/
“Anyway, Ubuntu is the first distro with udev/hal/g-v-m.”
Nope. MDK 10.1CE came out before Ubuntu, and it has all three.
MDK was first with apache2 as well, I believe. Anti-aliasing has been in all distros for ages, don’t really remember who was first. ext3?! How far back are you going? Long before Fedora existed, at least…
@makkus: Mandrake has extremely good internationalisation support as well. This is Mandrake’s i18n/l10n status page:
http://www.mandrakelinux.com/l10n/translations.php3
This is one for Fedora:
http://carolina.mff.cuni.cz/~trmac/fedora-i18n.html
I don’t have time to trawl through each individual page for MDK, but from what I sampled it looks like both have 40 or so workable languages.
utf8 is not i18n ! utf8 is a charmap.
RH/Fedora use utf8 by default since RH8.0.
Mandrake only since 10.0.
http://fr2.rpmfind.net/linux/Mandrakelinux/official/10.1/SRPMS/main…
Where is hald ?
Where is gnome-volume-manager ?
Here (FC3) :
$ rpm -q hal gnome-volume-manager
hal-0.4.0-10
gnome-volume-manager-1.1.0-5
“RedHat is pushing a poorly tested product that forces you to upgrade about every six months. I just don’t understand the use of this”
dont tell me you are actually being forced to upgrade rather than *choosing* what you want to do…
“ext3?! How far back are you going? Long before Fedora existed, at least… ”
considering redhat did practically all of the development on ext3 It is more likely to be the first…
> MDK was first with apache2 as well, I believe.
Apache 2 by _default_ in RH8.0 (no apache 1.3).
> Anti-aliasing has been in all distros for ages
Yep. But RH8.0 is the just distro with anti-aliasing enable by default.
> ext3?! How far back are you going?
RH7.2.
> Long before Fedora existed, at least…
Yes. But Fedora is the next of “Red Hat Linux”. RH8.0 -> RH9 -> FC1 -> FC2 …
i need somebody to point me to a site that has the chronological development of the linux kernel’s features from 1.0 to the latest version. thank you
This is stupid just use what you like best, thats what makes linux so unique. Some people like the very latest while others want to be stable. Also no one is forcing you to upgrade from fedora core 2, just like nobody is forced to upgrade from one, from what i can remember fedora core 1 just used different people to update it after 8 months of it being out.
I see in the release notes there is a new package called java-1.4.2-gcj-compat. Will this allow Java applets to run upon installation or will J2SK and J2RE still be needed?
kernel history
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel
“Will this allow Java applets to run upon installation or will J2SK and J2RE still be needed?
”
it doesnt require sun java
Thanks for the reply. I’m somewhat of a noob so bear with me please. My wranglings with java go no further than a web browser. Will I be able to use java-1.4.2-gcj-compat as a plugin for Mozilla or Firefox?
“it doesnt require sun java”
You mean that this actually allows JAVA applets embedded in web pages to work out of the box?
How’s performance on machines with ~128MB of RAM compared to other distros?
“Will I be able to use java-1.4.2-gcj-compat as a plugin for Mozilla or Firefox?”
no it will not. its mean for java development. fc 4 rawhide has far more mature java components…
“How’s performance on machines with ~128MB of RAM compared to other distros?”
not very good. i would choose something similar like rule-project
I downloaded and installed ubuntu linux. It was nice and all, but it doesn’t detect my wireless card itself. Alas, the search continues.
Anybody know if FC3 will do it? I have a WMP54G.
http://www.linux-wlan.org/docs/wlan_adapters.html.gz
Looks like its broadcom chipset – you’ll need ndiswrapper
I’ve installed sun’s jre-1.5.0-fcs for java plugin for mozilla. (1.4.* didn’t work for FC3)
Some of the non-free stuff is available from 3rd party repositories – for eg: check
http://rpm.livna.org/
Anyone tried it on a laptop?
Tried it on a ThinkPad T40. ACPI drained power in suspend mode. So I’ll stick with APM (boot with ‘acpi=off’)
What the hell? Nautilus still locks up when you resize a window when using compact layout. Why isn’t this fixed yet?
And keyboard layout switcher still throws an error message about X server
Sometimes I think, Gnome will never get it right. Sigh…
Can someone post up some screenshot pls???
And there are some bugs yelp too, i think it’s more reasonable to delay the release date. It’s a nice distro btw, but abit more polishing would be great.
As with Ubuntu and Gnome 2.8, audio cd’s will not play in Fedora Core 3. Anyone know of a solution? I’ve googled till I can’t no more!
Did you install ‘updates?’
FC3 (udev) had a bug where /dev/cdrom wasn’t created – and this issue was fixed in the updates (there were plenty of updates ready by the release-day.
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2004-November/t…
I updated through up2date and yum. Before I did that all I got was a drive error message in the cd player. After the update, all it does i play for a quick second. and stop. So I would imagine that the /dev/cdrom folder has been created. Is there a file I can configure for this or should I try a reinstall? Or should I says forget it, wait for gnome 2.10 and go back to the boring world of adware scans, virus scans, firewall updates, security patches 🙁 ?
http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-fc3.shtml … Fedora Core 3 Installation Guide … based on FC3-T3 though.
Anyone tried the 64 yet? downloaded the dvd and preparing to install… any java with FC3? is it on the DVD or do I need to d/l? how is it working?
Just installed FC3 and used the nvidia intaller from http://www.nvidia.com
worked perfect, but the stupid module refuses to load at boot.
I have to type modprobe nvidia everytime I boot, then kill GDM so i can logon.
I have the following in the modprobe.conf but it freaking does not work:
alias char-major-195* nvidia
I don’t know what the heck is wrong. after I manually modprobe everything works great glxgears etc etc.
installed FC3 and has a fine sound check in post-install config; then fully installed and updated with yum hissing sound persist despite using advice from:
http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/06/24/1638255#discuss
and turning off/down/muting *most* channels
has same problem in FC2, but solved it with mixer settings…. this time not.. 🙁
using SB Live! EMU10K1
Just wanted to share my experience.
Laptop was initally dual boot XP Home(hda0) and fc2(hda5).
Installed FC3 and it was glitchless.
After the installtion was able to boot both FC3 and XP Home.
Tried to use Norton Ghost 8 to make an image of FC3 and thats when i received this error:
Application Error 2004
Read sector failure
result=1, drive=0
sectors 2091227287 to 2091227295
Partion Magic 8.0 in XP Home detected discrepancies in LBA and CHS.
It found LBA to be correct and attempted to correct CHS value.
Ghost was still unable to make an image.
Followed instructions from: http://lwn.net/Articles/86835/
It seems Windows uses the CHS system and Fedora core uses LBA to define disk geometry.
fdisk -l /dev/hda to find out CHS is 3876,240,63
Reinstalled FC3 at boot entered linux hda=3876,240,63
But the same error with norton ghost occured.
Booted with FC3 rescue disk and skipped mount partition.
Issued the following command.
sfdisk -d /dev/hda | sfdisk –no-reread -H255 /dev/hda
But the problem with Ghost and partition magic persisted.
Also tried with values -H240.
Bug reported: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=115980
Finally gave up.
Used XP disk to delete hda5.
Used Partion Magic to create hda5 ext3.
Used Ghost to restore my old FC2.
Used Knoppix to reinstall grub:
grub
find /boot/grub/stage1
root(hd0,4)
setup (hd0)
quit
I downloaded the day it came out from a mirror, and the download was smooth only because by chance I was one of the first to download from a mirror that just finished mirroring the distro (I checked the date and time later to my amazement.) Lucky me, I didn’t even know it came out until I idly checked the fedora website.
My first impression: GUI is great, many of the hardware utilities are much better than previous distros, and it seems much more stable than initial Fedora Core 2 (although you can apply official updates to make FC2 stable.) No problem with XP either.
Anyone who wants to try FC2 should install FC3 instead.
Couple of caveats (at least for me.) I managed to have FC2 run ATI AIW TV tuner when gatos released xorg.11 version, but they don’t work for FC3. I still wait for kernel 2.6.10 that has Promise fasttrack PATA/IDE support. I’m sure these are same issues for any linux distributions.
But so far, it looks very stable and fast. It was the simplest install I’ve ever had of ANY OS installs.
I usually download DVD iso and first disc or boot iso and burn both. For PCs without DVD-rom player, I use cd1 boot. The DVD iso is mounted on a server as a http net install. It is faster than remote internet install if you are doing multiple install locally.
On my emu10k1 based card (original SB Live!) it was the digital in/out setting (the very last slider listed in the gnome mixer app on my system) that needed muted. After I did that it was fine.
Hi there,
If you have installed FC3 dual boot with Win XP, you might think your installation is fine. Just fire up some partion checking tools like partion magic or even sfdisk and you will find FC3 overlaps your XP partitions even though both can boot normally.
It is worse if you install it on a laptop and there is no way to set LBA geometry….
Hiaz…kinda disappointed…back to FC2 for me..
martx
heres some for those who havnt seen it yet
http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1060
and
http://www.linux-noob.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=1074
cheers
anyweb