Mandrakesoft has just released Mandrakelinux 10.1 for x86-64, a version of its Linux Operating System that runs on AMD x86-64 and Intel EMT architectures.
Mandrakelinux 10.1 (x86-64) Released
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For $90 (that is much less than what they are asking) you can buy SuSE 9.2 Pro, which comprises both the 32 and the 64 bit versions.
You can do an FTP install for free, of course (as you can with SuSE). Find out which one’s best, everyone’s happy
I will get my AMD 64 in a couple of days, so it’s time to go 64 bits!
Fedora Core 3 is free ($ 0) and available for AMD64.
Actually, I’m not sure what I said above is right, sadly enough – I’m having trouble finding any x86-64 ftp mirrors for anything but Cooker. If this is how it’s meant to be, I’ve gotta say that’s a big thumbs down. Other archs should be just as available as x86-32 :
i went and bought 10.0 amd64 and the silver package and i only get 25% off 10.1, whe 10.0 was wrought with dependency problems (IMHO) i think i’ll switch to Ubuntu or FC3
For Fedora, don’t forget to read the FAQ :
http://www.fedorafaq.org/
You will find very useful informations.
AdamW, there are ftp mirrors for amd64 but they’re rather difficult to find. You should ask on the cooker-amd64 mailing list, they can probably tell you.
Getting proper amd64 urpmi mirrors up (and FINDABLE) is something they REALLY need to work on.
Fedora Core 3 is free ($ 0) and available for AMD64.
Oh goody Mandrake has to make money you know just like RED HAT. Suse has to make money. This is for the power pack x86_64. Already you can get i586 10.1 for free. Personaly I dont like suse and Fedora Core. Soon you will be able to get x86_64 for free without packages that you would have to pay for normaly.
This is about mandrake not any other os read this
Mandrakesoft has just released Mandrakelinux 10.1 for x86-64, a version of its Linux Operating System that runs on AMD x86-64 and Intel EMT architectures.
Nothing about fedora or any other OS osnews is just that os news. Leave my distro is bigger than yours to the forums.
Nobody mentioned “my distro is bigger than yours”
It was more a case of “my distro is cheaper than yours”
does mandrake 64 attempt to get the 32-bit plugins working? (flash, realmedia, mplaye video/audio)?
i know that some distros actually ship a 32-bit browser for this reason.
Many “club” members are waiting for an official statement from Mandrake regarding the availability of the DVD to the silver members.
The word exclusively was used in their newsletter when they were talking about getting it through the retail channel…
If they go down that road, they will probably be the only major distro that charges for the same software on a different processor, which is insane.
That wouldn’t be the only instance of their greed.
If you buy the Powerpack *and* you want a DVD as well, you must fork an extra 54 Euros. Compare that to SuSE Update Edition: for about the same price you pay Mandrake for a single DVD, you get 5 CDs, two DVDs, 32 and 64 bit support, a huge manual…
Another point I never liked is the discrimination between members of different levels: standard, silver, gold, corporate: that is a beatiful example of FLOSS equality! (if you have more money you are more equal)
problem is that i cant understand why linux distros need to sell at more than 60 bucks. Considering that 80% of the development costs are shared. 60 bucks is what they all whould be charging. 80 at most. If Linspire can charge a flat fee of 500 for OEMs, and just survive with the CNR payments, they surelly all can.
If you don’t like it, don’t buy it and stop whining.
If enough people don’t buy it, the market will take care of this. I have been having a ball with MDK 10.1.
It rocks!
In both my posts I criticized pricing policies, not quality.
Greedy and very bad marketing, that’s my vision of Mandrake. They might do go coding but they don’t know how to run a business. If you don’t hear your costumers they just leave you behing. I already left, good luck to you all. I hope you get a ray of light and see beyond that dark stone that is Mandrake. Move ahead.
“AdamW, there are ftp mirrors for amd64 but they’re rather difficult to find. You should ask on the cooker-amd64 mailing list, they can probably tell you.”
There’s some Cooker ones, yes. I can’t find any for 10.0, or 10.1.
No other distro gets CnR payments, as no other distro is cheeky enough to charge for its remote package management solution…
Then how would you call xandros network?, or mandrake’s urpmi (for testing, club and contribs?). Yes, they are not called cnr but they do the same thing. You want to be able to install something on a distro get apt for debian or for suse. There are a shitload of deb and rpms packages from dedicated packagers and you don’t have to go and lick ass on a board they never visit to try to make them do an rpm for you. Bahh!
Adam, personally I don’t believe that the idea of paying $49 a year for CNR is that different than paying for Mandrakeclub membership, except that once you have paid for CNR everything is included in the price: new OS releases, software…
And I find the Linspire people truly nice and willing to listen.
What do I call urpmi? I call it free…
yes, there are Club sources. The only parts of the Club sources you actually have to pay for access for are the parts containing non-freely licensed software, which is sort of impossible to avoid. Everything else is available without paying. For x86-32 at least, which is how it should be. It still appears that this isn’t the case for x86-64, and I’ll be complaining about that…
You can generate urpmi sources for main, contrib, jpackage and plf at http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/ . No credit card details required. I don’t bother with the freely available Club RPMs, I don’t find them very useful, so I can’t tell you offhand where to get them. Sorry.
Adam, do you get the *full* (including plugins) operating system included in the Mandrakeclub standard membership as you do with CNR? (as an iso)
Standard members get the ‘commercial’ four-ISO version of 10.1, which includes I think all the proprietary stuff – plugins, Java, nvidia / ATI drivers, miscellaneous other closed drivers. Higher levels get a larger pack (6 CDs / DVD), which I think only has contribs stuff (which is freely downloadable) in addition to the stuff on the standard release. I haven’t checked either, though, I have a bandwidth cap here, so it’s a waste just to see what’s there.
Adam, in fact standard members get only “download edition isos”, without any proprietary stuff. Basically the same as the general public, except that they get the isos earlier and one iso more.
That is how it was until my membership expired, in April (or May)
really? well, I’ll take your word for it, I’m trying to work it out from the membership levels comparison chart and it’s horribly confusing. sigh.
Well you obviously can’t compare one thing to another if you haven’t tried them both. So let me invite you to take a look at cnr, debian apt (the comercial sources one),Yum for redhat and apt for Suse. Once you do that for free (for most of them at least). And then come back and tell me what is so special about urpmi (and also let me know how big do you think your repositories are in comparison).
Then, and only then, tell me how much is the lack of software availability, the lack of support and being charged for something others give you for free and cheaper worth to you?
Mandrake is a waste of time, get over it. I am not here evangelizing anything. I am telling the stuff the way it is, here is my proff and I am not talking about a specific other distro, actually I am here talking about every other major distro out there. Sorry but you are wrong if you think there is value added in charging for a procesor architeqture without official support, when other’s are giving it to you for free with the 32bit package and the apt (your urpmi with “comercial apps”) for free.
Get real or at least wake up. And, I respect distro watch and I know they think Mandrake is the big thing, but for me I consider it a good distro, it is just that they can’t care less about their customers.
You obviously missed the part where I said not providing the x86-64 release for free download was a bad mistake, didn’t you? Here, have a tranquilliser and go and read the thread again. I’ve posted a message regarding this on the Mandrake Cooker mailing list and it seems most Cooker users agree with me; here’s hoping we get an official response soon.
btw, the official / nudge-nudge-wink-wink ‘official’ MDK sources – main, contrib and plf (which is officially unofficial but unofficially official…) make up a far larger repository than Fedora has officially available. It’s equal to or a little larger than SuSE’s official package selection, but of course smaller than Debian’s (though better in some areas).
Please keep in mind that to the official SuSE’s package selection should be added the apt4rpm sources. They are unofficial, but “smiled upon” by SuSE. When you add apt4rpm, SuSE almost compares with Debian (both are my favorites)
“smiled upon”? Well, that just makes me feel a big bag of happy. When my upgrade is broken by packages that didn’t get taken into account, or when one of said packages doesn’t work, I’ll be sure to remember that someone’s smiling upon me. Or doing something upon me, at least.
Some sources are official SuSE ones: base, update, security, kde3-stable. Most of the others are very stable anyway. It is a matter of chosing wisely. I have never been left with a broken system, something which unfortunately does happen with Debian apt.
I don’t use Debian, but I understand from those who do that if you stick to official sources, that would be unusual. And the package selection is still vast from the official sources; you don’t really need others. On Mandrake I use the three standard sources and nothing else, and never have to worry about ‘choosing’; my system breaks every so often, but hey, I’m running Cooker, that’s what Cooker’s *for*. If it didn’t break I wouldn’t be doing my job.
For normal users, I suggest using Mandrake plus main, contrib and plf sources; anything else should be compiled and installed in /usr/local, or if it has its own installer, installed into /home using that. That need rarely arises, due to the scope of the Three True Sources. 
I take my prozac twice a day, don’t worry about my medical conditions. This has nothing to do with you or cooker, I said that mandrake is a great distro they just don’t know how to run a business because they don’t care or they don’t listen to their customers. (Like you said, the cooker mailing list tinks it was a mistake but they keept at it).
I think they guys that do cooker do a great job. That’s why so many people like Mandrake, Hell I used to like a lot, but I just can’t stand being ignored and looked down upon like they do. Sorry but my comments stands (obviously this is my personal opionion and it doesn’t necesarilly has anything to do with yours.). I took your points and I hope you took mine. Let time dictate how’s Mandrake going to end if they cointinue the road they are taking. Nothing else to add to this thread, sorry but everything that had to be said has been said.
Hey Adam
sticking to the “official sources” in Debian would mean at the moment using stable/woody, and who on earth wants to run woody on his/her desktop?
Of the other 3 branches, experimental, sid/unstable and testing, the latter is the most reliable, but still you don’t get any guarantee that nothing will break (and things do go wrong, even if not very often)
I was counting testing and unstable as official sources, as they are part of the debian project. From what I’ve observed, testing at least and often unstable are often as reliable as other distro’s release versions. Given the large resources Debian have, their excellent systems for ensuring package stability and integrity, and the fact that sid still doesn’t live quite on the bleeding edge, I can believe it. When I refer to unofficial sources I basically mean ones that are not sanctioned by the distributor. That also explains my description of PLF’s status – supposedly, it’s a third party repository entirely unaffiliated with and unsanctioned by Mandrakesoft, but that’s just a legal fiction, more or less. Most of the work on it is done by the same people who work on main and contrib.
Well, our positions are now so similar that we could shake hands 🙂