Linspire, Inc. today introduced native support for Windows Media Player versions 8 and 9 on its operating system. Beginning immediately, all Linspire versions in all languages will include Windows Media support — users will now have in-line playback of audio and video on popular sites like FoxNews.com and Movies.com, all with codecs legally licensed and fully integrated in the OS.
Linspire Natively Supports Latest Versions of Windows Media
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Kudos to Robertson.
Kudos for what?
Microsoft pays some money to Lindows to get them change their name to Linspire, and Linspires gets to license Windows Media Player codec directly from Microsoft.
Winner for Microsoft.
>>Kudos for what?
From the article:
“Making Windows Media work on Linux systems required more than two months
of engineering effort. Previously, Windows Media files would typically work
on users’ machines only if they found and installed unlicensed codecs online
then patched them into their operating system. In contrast, Linspire licensed
the codecs directly from Microsoft, then made substantial changes to make the
Windows Media code work on Linux-based systems.”
I hope Linspire talks to Yahoo too, because the code detection on http://launch.yahoo.com videoclips is broken and they don’t allow anyone else other than IE or Netscape 4 to view their videoclips (EVEN after you change your user agent, or use a fully qualified browser with a WMV plugin). It really pisses me off when they don’t allow Safari to view their videoclips, even if the WMV plugin works perfectly otherwise. Linspire should talk to the Y! devs about this.
>Winner for Microsoft.
Not really. Both win.
Linpsire couldn’t get a DRM license from M$ so this support is
incomplete and Linux users will be locked out of some sites.
OGG, anyone?
I’ve heard that Linspire 5 will be quite incredible. I’m not a beta tester so all I’ve had to go on is word of mouth, also…
Possible screenshot of Linspire 5?
http://www.everaldo.com/splashs/images/lsonic2.jpg
Release notes for their Unstable branch of isos
http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_updates.php?info=iso
I win :b
and Eugenia the yahoo website is annoying in Windows too when using firefox.
I was looking at Australian idol hosted by yahoo and that works in Firefox, but then Yahoo’s LAUNCH website doesn’t accept anything other than IE. That’s stupid.
Funny thing I don’t use Windows Media much at all, except for streaming on the net. But with that I find whoever actually encodes the video doesn’t do a good job so Real video actually ends up looking just as good as WMV. (eg. CNET videos)
while that’s all fine and wonderful, we -just want to watch the same videos everyone else does-. it’s a convenience thing.
today is a good day, because linux has made another step towards legitimacy on the desktop.
…with the direction Robertson is going with Linspire.
He is trying to please the consumer. That is important in an OS.
I will wait and see what Linspire 5 has to offer.
But what we have been hearing is pretty amazing.
I really don’t understand why people complain about having to pay for software that is free.
Some people pay for SUSE, why not pay for Linspire.
NOTE: This example below is mainly for desktop users with simple needs.
eg. Linspire Vs SUSE
– You have to pay for both distros.
– You have to pay when upgrading to new software.
– Linspire anything you download just works (or should).
– SUSE mostly works may have to do some tweaking.
– Both use and sponsor KDE development.
– Both use and sponsor Reiser FS development.
– Both are Linux :B
– Anymore comparison that can be made?
From a simplistic view of just a desktop user you could go for either I guess. Assuming click and run works 100% of time, I would choose Linspire. Especially for noob who doesn’t want to understand how the OS works.
I guess my main argument is people pay for SUSE, but people complain about paying for Linspire.
From my one time use of Linspire. I notice that it installed a very stripped down KDE. You want video you just click and run it. Music? Just do the same.
There are numerous linux-based dvd players and linux-based set-top boxes that have licensed Microsoft’s Windows Media codecs. In fact, Microsoft launched their “plays for sure” campaign to highlight the fact that their codecs are written from scratch to be working in multi-OS/multi-platform environment.
http://www.playsforsure.com/
It’s no technical challenge for Linspire to make Microsoft’s “plays for sure on any OS on any platform” codec to work on Linspire’s software.
It’s fantastic that Linux users can now finally enjoy the ever so common media in WMA format fully and legally. This is a great move and best of all, it came as part of the MS settlement.
It is dissapointing that DRM will not be supported because it is so widespread now. However, I wholeheartedly dissaprove of DRM and I have not purchased or used files that use it.
It’s a shame that Microsoft is back to its old self. When confronted with healthy competition they abuse their monopoly to try to eliminate it.
Checkout Michael’s blog on this, it’s quite insightful and exposes some of Microsoft’s hypocrisy, propaganda and lies.
http://www.linspire.com/lindows_michaelsminutes_archives.php?id=143
They have released it it’s called Lsongs and is available for free to CNR suscribers yet another reason to subscribe 🙂
http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=12329
It’s not a bad time to subscribe at all, because for $50 you will get acess to the CNR warehouse which has a lot of discounted, free and Linspire specific programs, acess to the very helpful and popular forums and of course to Linspire 5 when it’s done and throughly polished.
I think Linspire is one of the most cost effective distributions in the Linux world for what you get.
I read a few weeks ago that Apple had been granted a patent on the appearance/function of the multipurpose burn button in iTunes. So it is possible that this LSonic app could run into some patent problems if it stays as the screenshot appears.
My own opinion on this app is that it shows a general lack of creativity to so blatently rip-off somebody else… of course there is something to be said about imitation.
Definitely, Kudos to Robertson. Politics aside, he filled a need. This is what many people expect from mainstream computers.
Last time I checked Media Player 10 was the latest version! Keep shooting for second place!
Last time I checked Media Player 10 was the latest version! Keep shooting for second place!
AFAIK MP 10 doesn’t introduce any new video formats.
How many people have problems with various distro’s package management programs mirrors being overtaxed? Linspire you have dedicated patch servers and I have never had that problem. And after using Slack, Gentoo, RH since 7, and SuSE I use Linspire for my desktop machine and participate in their beta program. FYI that LSonic is just a skin you’re seeing LSongs still looks basically the same as Linspire 4.5.x as the beta has not chosen a official skin as of yet.
Anybody else notice that the inline video screenshot sent out in the ‘Michael’s Minutes’ announcement was actually a Macromedia Flash video? Ooops.
(Tried Linspire, it installed, rebooted, hung. Ooops. Posting from Debian)
As it is said, mplayer does that for years, and it works really great.
As far as i know it handles windows media 8 even without external codecs.
And about codecs lagality… Do you care? I would never.
I can’t quite understand this “free” at all cost thing that shakes many linux users: does having a system with commercial software on mean that your not “pure” anymore?
Do these people realize the low quality of lots of opensource software when compared to medium or high-end commercial softwares?
So Linux is free, you can have a completetly free distro, good to you, and be cut out of loads of contents; or you can do it the illegal way with illegal codecs and so on (“we don’t like Microsoft so and big companies so it’s ok to be illegal users”).
Then, the last choice: people write/port commercial apps, and people pay them and use them legally.
Is it this much of a shock? Why?
I myself would *love* to find at last a polished and working distribution that compares with my setup XP desktop; and mind you, it’s 1 month of XP for me after 7 years of Linux.
If someone gives me quality, and refinements, and the ability to seamlessly play web contents, video etc., then I may ve *very* happy to shell some money to get what I *need*.
I don’t really much like the idea of being like “betraying Linux users” if we *just* want a complete, easy and working system.
I even read on Osnews some quite dumb comment like “No matter if gaim hasn’t got video support. Who needs it anyway?”; different people need different things, that’s what Open mean.
Don’t get mislead by Open=Able to look inside.
That’s just a *consequence* arising from a bigger need, the need to be able to get what you need.
Ciao & good day,
Lorenzo
“OK, so it’s all licensed and whatever. That means we’re touting *giving Microsoft money* as a good, new, exciting shiny thing.”
Hello were you sleep for the last month. Microsoft gave Linspire 25 Mill for the Lindows name and a 5 year free license for the Windows Media software. (Everything but DRM software)
Come on you are comparing Windows (In which Windows XP is Microsofts first really good OS) Created by a company who has 50 Billion in the bank to an OS that was first created in a dorm room (Which Windows was not)
Anyway while you contine you PAY for Windows to get new features I will use my free Linux and still get new features. Remember Windows is almost 10 years older then Linux yet Linux has changed the computer world. (Last time MS did that was with Windows 95)
Or I could use Linspire which works really well with my Dell laptop. I paied $50 for Lindows back when 4.0 came out now 4.5 is out which is like 5 updates later (Like buying Windows 95 and then getting 98, 98 SE and ME for free) and then I pay $5 a month for Click and Run which has 2000 plus Apps, patches, OS upgrades and application updates, plus I get email support and a big discount on phone support.
Can’t beat that, and yes it’s not XP but Linspire and most versions of Linux are being updated 4 or 5 times as fast as Windows. Plus I don’t have to KEEP upgrading my PC with each OS release! (Unlike with Windows!)
..about linspire giving money to microsoft should realize that Microsoft probably really really didn’t want to give this to Linspire, but given that microsoft was licensing it out to others already, they would get taken to court if they didn’t license it to them. A good way to think of this is like wine I think, and I think Mr. Robertson looks at things this way too, most people don’t want to view their media in windows media format, but most people also don’t want broken sites. It’s like most people don’t want to play their games or run whatever it is they are running in wine, they’d much rather have a native app, but you take what you can get. In a much smaller scale this is like microsoft somehow making all their windows apps work in wine all of a sudden by giving the wine guys all the information they needed. They would never ever want to do that, that would terribly hurt their OS business, but on a much smaller scale this is what they’ve now given to Linspire.
I think I saw some where Linspire charges for updates. Is this true? And if so why. You already payed for the os. If not I think I might give it a try…
I am able to use the Yahoo! LAUNCH site with Firefox – want some proof? :>
Although the Windows Media player v 10 can make Firefox become unstable and clicking on the video window makes the picture disappear (can be seen again by resetting the zoom level).
maybe it works because I use Win XP!? Have fun and thanks for the interesting articles you find.
later,
Meat
Windows and Linux are almost same age. Linux 0.01 came out in 1991 and 0.95 in march 1992. Get your facts correct please. Windows is NOT 10 years older than Linux.
If I am not mistaken the core portion of Windows 1.0 was DOS and “Windows” at that time was really only a fancy GUI for DOS Which came out in 1981. Linux was not even a thought! But wait!
Microsoft already had MILLIONS in the bank by the time Windows came out. And we know Windows has always been developed in a LAB. It didn’t start in a dorm room.
(Also get YOUR dates right!), On November 10, 1983, at the Plaza Hotel in New York City, Microsoft Corporation formally announced Microsoft Windows, a next-generation operating system that would provide a graphical user interface (GUI) and multitasking environment for IBM computers. Microsoft promised that the new program would be on the shelf by April 1984. Microsoft finally shipped Windows 1.0 on November 20, 1985, almost two years past the initially promised release date. (Windows was selling as a commercial product a full 6 years before anyone had even heard of Linux) And the Core DOS had been selling a full 4 years plus before that!
http://inventors.about.com/library/weekly/aa080499.htm
And no you don’t pay for Linspire updates. When you buy a copy of the OS they sign you up for what used to be called a JR click and run membership. (Not sure of the new title) This gives you access to your 30 days tech support, updates to all the apps on your machine and the OS it’s self. It all so gives you access to some of the other 2000 plus apps. (I think only access to about 100 for the JR membership, could be more, could be less)
I have to make a strong opinion here. The reason why Linspire added WMA support is to make the wb more usable. Granted, in one way or the other, they seem to be supporting Microsoft. I know I am talking to Linux buffs here, but is Microsoft products *thaaat bad* to whine about ? I mean I do use Linux, and I have a licenced copy of Windows XP as well.In fact, I’ve been using Windows for as long as I can remember since the days of DOS 6.22. Practically speaking it gets my work done. Period. Yeah. Linux also provides comparative products if not better, but open your eyes guys…the world is dominated by Windows stuff. Can anyone disregard that fact ? So, if I trump about using Linux but am unable effectively access half of the so-called Microsoft compatible websites, what the point ? In the end, we are the ones that would be left out.
Look at it this way, Linspire acquires licence for WMA, modify the code to be used in Linux. People get attracted to Linspire because of this. And walla..you have one more Linux convert , hopefully. In the end, though it may seem that Microsoft may benefit from this arrangement, I guess so does Linux, and in a big way. Then we can go out and trumpet the fact that WMA based sites are NO problem for us Linuxers. Waaay to go Linspire. And pleazz stop bitching about microsoft…I’m sure you guys still use windows one way or the other.
Windows 1.0 was released in November 1985.
While not 10 years like tymiles said it is closer to 10 than it is to 0.
In reality it is a lot harder to compare ages that using initial release dates. eg. linux the kernel may have been started in 1991 but the desktop projects like gnome and kde did not start until much later. Also does windows 1.0 really count as the start or do you count from the nt line.
If I’m not mistaken, this is a very incorrect boast:
“With this distribution, Linspire is the first Linux distributor in the world to fully support Windows Media 8 and 9 audio and video file formats.”
From the Turbo Linux 10 F… web site: Enjoy playing Windows Media-based content, including Windows Media Video 9 and all other versions of Windows Media Audio except for Windows Media Audio Pro. ( http://www.turbolinux.com/products/10F/ )
Under the whole media section of the 10 F… site: This product includes technology owned by Microsoft Corporation and under a license from Microsoft Licensing, GP.
So what is this exciting talk all about?
MS ousted Novell from the server market by making Windows NT 3.5 and 4 very compatible with the services Novell provided, by putting support for MS products in Linux, the same could be done against MS.
Makes the “switch” to Linux easier for a lot of people who otherwise depend on Windows for these things.
You’ve got to hand it to Microsoft. Rather than going the extreme legal route they think “Well, why don’t we just give them a bit of money and give them the Windows Media Codecs (which needs all the help they can get). If they are going to anything they can do it with our technology.”
Microsoft has a track record of this, and Linspire has fallen for it as countless others have done before them.
“Making Windows Media work on Linux systems required more than two months of engineering effort. Previously, Windows Media files would typically work on users’ machines only if they found and installed unlicensed codecs online then patched them into their operating system. In contrast, Linspire licensed the codecs directly from Microsoft, then made substantial changes to make the Windows Media code work on Linux-based systems.”
OK, can put together a system into the OS from alternative codecs well in one day…
This sounds like maybe an absolute maximum of a couple weeks of work for an experienced programmer in this area with full bells and whistles. What they been doing?
“It’s fantastic that Linux users can now finally enjoy the ever so common media in WMA format fully and legally.”
1) It is not fully since there is no DRM support.
2) It was already legally possible if you had a Windows license.
“This is a great move and best of all, it came as part of the MS settlement.”
You sure? If that’d be true then why isn’t there WMV/DRM for ‘Linux’ available?
http://info.linspire.com/lsongs/
I have the source somewhere. But its probably an older version. I don’t know where the source went to at Lindows.com, but i can’t find it on Lindows.com. Its programmed in PyQT btw, and i remember it did not fully ran on Debian Sarge, so perhaps some customisations have to be mae to get it working correctly.
(Not sure if its the same as LSonic though.)
http://www.playsforsure.com/images/logos_mediatype.jpg
A GPL distribution can never get the bottom logo. That is the problem with playsforsure.
I seriously doubt that Lindows got it either, but if they do it is pretty impressive.
The problem lies in that you need to use their binary driver, to complete the conformance test. If you could complete the test with your own code, we wouldn’t have this problem.
is the music store thing that they show in the screenshot working cause they said tthey could not get license for drm http://images.linspire.com/applications/3373/12323/lsongs/lsongs1.j… so which sites are they using
“They have released it it’s called Lsongs and is available for free to CNR suscribers yet another reason to subscribe 🙂
http://www.linspire.com/lindows_products_details.php?id=12329 ”
I use lsongs with SUSE 9.1
grab the sources and compile it yourself (after instaling pyQT pyKDE etc etc).
lsonic seems to be a much more complete version of lsongs
for those that want the sources.. go to linspire.com, search for lsongs, tab to specifications and get it
I was talking about Windows NT and not Windows9x. Windows NT should be compared to Linux and not windows 9x though i agree that MS had an advantage in GUI for NT because their UI evolved from 3.1 days where as Linux got in there later.
But in terms of kernel both are almost same age and if you ever read sysinternals’s Mark Russinovich’s talk, Windows In His analysis windows kernel is almost 2 years ahead of linux. I could have shared the talk if there were no IP issues but try to get it (its called “A tale of two kernels” and its purely from technical perspective and not at all a marketing gimmick.
So what happens after five years? Didn’t realise it was free, though, that’s neat. Eh. Anyway. Still doesn’t exactly push my buttons.
And yes, using win32-codecs is probably illegal. If I can’t pull a Windows license out of my ass, which I probably can, I got one for my laptop I think. Even then we could go to court and fight about it for a few years, what fun that would be! Watching my DVDs is illegal in America, too. Sometimes, the law is an ass.
“Don’t get mislead by Open=Able to look inside.
That’s just a *consequence* arising from a bigger need, the need to be able to get what you need.”
Complete crap which shows, despite your seven years running Linux (whoop dee doo), you still don’t understand the point of free software. Even if you don’t go as far as Stallman ideologically, it’s still a very long way away from being some kind of byproduct of functionality.
BTW, see if you love XP so much after running it for seven years. Or even seven months; please do come back and report. Win2K is the best OS MS have made, XP just added useless cruft to it along with an odious activation scheme.
Re: [quote]Some people pay for SUSE, why not pay for Linspire.
NOTE: This example below is mainly for desktop users with simple needs.
eg. Linspire Vs SUSE
1. You have to pay for both distros.
2. You have to pay when upgrading to new software.
3. Linspire anything you download just works (or should).
4. SUSE mostly works may have to do some tweaking.
5. Both use and sponsor KDE development.
6. Both use and sponsor Reiser FS development.
7. Both are Linux[/quote]
1. False. Prior to axing SuSE Linux Personal they offered it as a free ISO download. Also they still allow a free FTP install of SuSE Linux Professional from their servers. The difference between the free and retail version is basically extras like support and printed manuals are excluded from the free versions. Also, unlike Linspire, Novell allows SuSE Linux Professional to be copied and distributed for free so it lacks the license restriction imposed on Linspire users. Note: Novell also provides a LiveDVD ISO of SuSE Linux Professional for free.
2. False. Packages can be installed for free on SuSE Linux either by adding a YaST Source tree, using Apt-Get for SuSE Linux or being installed by the end user from RPM search engines. Let’s not forget that SuSE Linux Professional comes with approx 4000 open source software included with the distribution. This is the reason why so many experienced Linux users are offended by CNR Warehouse used by Linspire. Why pay for open source software that is typically included in a distribution for free or made available for free online? YaST which is used in both KDE and Gnome desktops of SuSE Linux Professional can install packages just as easy as Linspire CNR. The difference being I’m not having to pay to access the software. I also am ensured that I have current stable software not outdated versions.
3. True. Linspire’s Debian package manager and SuSE Linux YaST are similar in that they both check for dependencies. The difference being that YaST goes further in so many ways (ie: checking for digital signatures).
4. True. In the sense like all distributions to get wide support for video codecs the end user may have to install the missing codecs. Which of course take 5 minutes to set up. I still find SuSE Linux Professional more suited to consumers needs whether home or business based than Linspire. Especially considering Novell has acquired LSB certification where as Debian distributions such as Linspire have not. Also that Novell offers various support packages that consumers not only need but have requested whether home or business based.
5. True but the exception being Novell actually has KDE and Gnome developers on staff since acquiring SuSE Linux AG and Ximian.
6. True.
7. Well yes but you seem to be lumping Linspire and SuSE Linux into the same catogory which is not correct. Linspire is based on Debian Linux where as SuSE Linux is an RPM distribution similar to RHEL, Mandrake Linux, Whitebox Linux, etc. Both SuSE Linux and RHEL are the biggest contenders in the global market for Linux distributions. So for example most highend software used in the entertainment industry that’s ported to Linux is compiled as “.rpm” and not “.deb”. Sure you could force install a “.rpm” binary package but the problem being is that since Debian distributions do not follow the same file structure as RPM distributions like SuSE Linux then your going to likely run into issues.
Wow, good find.
“and if you ever read sysinternals’s Mark Russinovich’s talk, Windows In His analysis windows kernel is almost 2 years ahead of linux”
I think if OSNews teaches us anything, it’s that talk is cheap.
Well, I won’t complain about some “harsh” talking on your side, I hate flaming at all, and tend to be rather tolerant myself.
What I meant by
“Don’t get mislead by Open=Able to look inside.
That’s just a *consequence* arising from a bigger need, the need to be able to get what you need.”
was (if not obviously, I do apologize for the obscurity) suggesting that when evaluating free software, we can’t only evaluate the peculiarities of its being free, but we must honestly evaluate how does it suit our real needs, and we can’t just say “shame commercial” ’cause it’s not free.
I got pretty tired of this “free vs closed” eternal argument; most of the people I know who complain about this are developers, and they’re right in their field.
But none of the users I know do really care about the distinction.
A user will commonly want to use a good, reliable, performing product, one that’s not overly complicated because of lack of a well defined strategy, goals, and coherence in the development team’s guidance; they want softwares to be complete, and well thought, and they are willing to pay for that.
So, what I meant by my statement wasn’t a misconception of the semantics of “free”, but to express my opinion which is: free can be as important as you may think, but if the app/system/desktop doesn’t do its job, or does it in a clunky and resources (and time…) consuming and inefficent way, then there’s no right in saying “free software is still better ’cause it’s free”.
Once defined what good is (in my case, “good” equals: does the job in the shortest time with the lesser efforts), it’s easy to see what is good, and what is not.
Hope I made my point clear.
Have a good day.
I cheerfully admit to having none. I also think that judging something as complex as an operating system kernel and coming out with a blanket pronouncement that it’s ‘two years behind’ another is ridiculous. How’s Windows doing on high-performance clusters, for instance? Are you sure he didn’t say something like ‘in certain areas’, or ‘for certain purposes’, or ‘in some ways’? And given the complexity of the area, I find personal opinions on the relative merits of kernel architectures…not especially productive or likely to be totally trustworthy. hence: talk is cheap.
But when you talk about specific algorhithms and specific problems that will yield lower performance, then you can judge it. We are only talking Linux kernel vs NT kernel.
Linux has advantages in scheduling and process creatios but if you read his talk you will know overall whose been leading.
Overall in some areas windows may not perform well because Microsoft’s main focus has been on desktop and thats understood. Still in terms of kernel design there can be a strict comparison.
Your argument only holds if you accept the frame of reference which you yourself have provided a posteriori.
Your argument doesn’t hold if we compare OSes instead of Kernels. As such, Linux has progressed much more rapidly than Windows (especially over the last 4 years). Modern desktops such as Gnome 2.8 and KDE 3.3 are more advanced than XP. In the case of KDE, kparts and kio_slaves make Konqueror months ahead of anything Windows has to offer. And it seems that Longhorn’s much-toted eye-candy and FS advances will be available in some form or Linux desktops first.
Don’t limit yourself to the kernel – this wasn’t the original point, anyway, despite your efforts to re-frame the argument.
Do you really believe KDE and GNOME are ahead of XP?
>Do you really believe KDE and GNOME are ahead of XP?
KDE and GNOME are Windows Managers XP is an complete OS.
But i certainly believe KDE is ahead of XP interface.
It has way more functionality, contains less design flaws, is more themable without installing third party software you often have to pay for, can look nicer (all dough that is a personal experience), is safer to use, is developing much faster, is open, is free..etc..etc..
Yes i do believe KDE is way ahead of the XP interface.
Do you really believe KDE and GNOME are ahead of XP?
Yes, I do. I use both KDE and XP daily and it is my opinion that KDE is slightly ahead of XP. It is much more customizeable out-of-the-box, its file manager is a lot more powerful, and overall the desktop is nicer looking (fonts are nicer on my KDE desktop in 1600×1200 resolution).
Perhaps you can point to me where you think XP is in fact ahead of KDE?
Agree about KDE being ahead of XP, QT helps in that dept. Konqeuror brings it down a bit though. I can never use a CVS KDE, for me it always has to be one iwth another ifle manager, like Xandros File manager.
It’s the sidebar that gets to me..
It’s the sidebar that gets to me.
I don’t like the sidebar either, but it doesn’t matter because it’s not there. Press F9 to remove it, save your profile, and you’ll never see the annoying (for some) sidebar again.
None of my konq profiles have the sidebar now.
actually, XP is an OS, KDE and GNOME are DEs, kwin and metacity (and sawfish) are WMs.
Remember Windows NT was a copy of DEC VMS. Microsoft hired the guys who created and developed VMS. So it was not something that stated with guys who were not already into creating computer operating systems. (Unlike Linus) Even of you say Linus copied UNIX he was not a exsperenced UNIX developer when he started on Linux.
I mean it’s very hard to compare Linux and Any version of Windows because Microsoft had a BIG headstart and BUNCH of money when it created each version of Windows. Linux development is just getting the funding that is required to do intense R&D!
But you are right about the timing though.
Linspire is a Crippled Oned desktop appliance , it offer less then the real distribution its based off Debian , and when I mean less I mean less in every sense of the word , it cost more , offer less software , less support , dont go on as much hardware and offer less freedom , you cant install it on all the computer you own legally and you cant legally share it with your entire familly and all there computers, it dont have the kitchen sink in other word and thats a bad thing.Adding wmp codec is not an addition to desktop appliance its adding to the cost at the cost of freedom.
There is a clear message the market is sending to Linspire : ” your not wanted ” , otherwise it would have made money and be profitable by now.
My message to MR. Robertson is this : You shited on us , told us whe where incompetent , and that you where going to show the world *how* to do it , now you say your one of us even do you try to dont follow our rules, well the Joke is on us and your loosing everyday.
The advance made where made by the Gnu/Linux community at large , not by linspire.
Gnu/Linux is the game , Gpl is our license and total freedom is our goal.
– Real friends dont let there friend use Linspire
– Hell yes, Gnu/Linux Guru pooh-pooh on Linspire. because 10$ box spent on shit still make it shit.
“Linspire is a Crippled Oned desktop appliance , it offer less then the real distribution its based off Debian , and when I mean less I mean less in every sense of the word , it cost more , offer less software , less support , dont go on as much hardware and offer less freedom , you cant install it on all the computer you own legally and you cant legally share it with your entire familly and all there computers, it dont have the kitchen sink in other word and thats a bad thing.Adding wmp codec is not an addition to desktop appliance its adding to the cost at the cost of freedom. ”
Linspire officialy supports one desktop and that is a good thing. It is hard for a small company to maintain multiple desktops with many custom touches and also to offer support for them. It’s better to have one well supported and consistent desktops than three loosely integrated, unsupported and confusing alternatives just for the sake of it. Their users do not care anyway, what you need for your tasks you can do in GNOME, KDE, or even XFCE. Mainstream users would be confused my multiple undocumented desktops when all they really need is one. Choice is good, but choice shoved down your throat will give you indigestion. The users that actually want more choices for desktop environments will look at more technical distributions or turn Linspire into a multi DE system.
Linspire is also not an appliance, it is as functional as any other Linux distribution without being unusable. Cost is debatable, what matters is what distribution you compare it to and how frequently you would buy updates. If you compare Linspire to commercial distributions it stays very competitive with Xandros, Lycoris, SUSE, Mandrake, Turbolinux and others. If you compare it to Gentoo, Debian and Ark Linux then you have a point. In terms of software Linspire also offers a lot of ACCESSIBLE software through CNR, it is not always up to date, but there are numerous programs to choose from in each category. Again, to determine if it’s “less” than “real distributions” you would have to stop trolling and become more concrete and with specifics. Support is also better than most distributions I’ve tried so far, much better than SUSE and Lycoris support, not too sure about the rest. They also have a vibrant, helpful and friendly forum. You have a point that it only runs on x86, but a lot of distributions only run on this platform and they have put all their efforts on it because it is what 97% of the world uses. Maybe when they have more resources they will expand.
It is absolutely not true that Linspire cannot be installed on all computers you own. They have made this clear multiple times. In fact, anyone in your family can install and use Linspire to its full extent free.
“There is a clear message the market is sending to Linspire : ” your not wanted ” , otherwise it would have made money and be profitable by now. ”
You do realize that this is a Linux company that has had enormous growth each year and also has only been around for four short years, right? Lots of distributions are not profitable today, do you want them all to go away? Not even SUSE was profitable after more than 10 years. Perhaps Linspire should stop contributing to all those open source projects like Mozilla, KDE, and ReiserFS wth money and code, maybe that will make them profitable faster.
“My message to MR. Robertson is this : You shited on us , told us whe where incompetent , and that you where going to show the world *how* to do it , now you say your one of us even do you try to dont follow our rules, well the Joke is on us and your loosing everyday. ”
What the hell are you talking about? He never said anything like that and has always supported the Linux community. All he wants is to make Linux mainstream and he is having success slowly but surely. For someone who hates Linspire for not offering more choices such as for the desktop environment, you are very intolerant of this distribution’s approach. What rules are you talking about, what joke, where do you get this mad nonsense?
“Gnu/Linux is the game , Gpl is our license and total freedom is our goal.
– Real friends dont let there friend use Linspire
– Hell yes, Gnu/Linux Guru pooh-pooh on Linspire. because 10$ box spent on shit still make it shit. ”
Linspire is under GPL for many parts and they do contribute lots of code under it also. Linspire is as free as most other distributions and they are helping Linux as well as furthering freedom of choice and code each day. Real friends do not impose on their friends. Real friends would also want Linux to become mainstream. Also, your last sentence has no relation to the real world or anything for that matter?
Are you drunk or on drugs? With each sentence you make it more difficult for me to believe that you are sober.
“Choice is good,”
Then why does Linspire remove choice?
May be this is best reduced to the question: What hinders Linspire user to compile and install additional software as e.g. on Red Hat?
Well, I might answer this: The standard Linspire installation does not feature much of gcc and common libraries as like most other distributions. This makes it hard to being independent of Linspire.
“Cost is debatable,”
No debate, it cost more.
Also here: A basic Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS subscription costs about 180 Dollar annually. The subscription for SuSE Linux Desktop (note: this is not the consumer SuSE Linux) is not much different.
Now to the other side:
“Support is also better than most distributions I’ve tried so far, much better than SUSE and Lycoris support, not too sure about the rest.”
Try paying them too, there support are way above what Linspire offfer.
This time I have to agree: Not only is their paid support better, Linspire usually do not fix security vulnerabilities that it consider as “less severe”.
“They also have a vibrant, helpful and friendly forum.”
You should try the other forum …
Being helpful and friendly is just not enough. You should also be technically competent, which I seriously do not see in the case of Linspire. Not only does the company lacks of serious low-level Linux developer (kernel, glibc, gcc, …) to support more “serious” issues, also there is a noticable lack of technically experienced users, who are less likely to use Linspire.
“No debate, it cost more.
Also here: A basic Red Hat Enterprise Linux WS subscription costs about 180 Dollar annually. The subscription for SuSE Linux Desktop (note: this is not the consumer SuSE Linux) is not much different.”
No offense , but your comment is like making comparaison between a ford focus and a ferrari , take the offer that match and compare them on price and it (linspire) cost more.
Compare linspire offer with what they (Linspire) offer and add to those result the fact on what they are based on ( what I call the company value offered).A car example of this is Daimler Chrysler , they use the technology in there BMW in there lower models , linspire remove that option and dont include it.
I have yet to find one person to show me one way where Linspire cost less in anyway.
I am not the only one thinking that way , otherwise Linspire would have hundred of thousands of paying user if not millions.
Although it had been pointed out for a decade now and well over 1.000.000.000.000.000 times, you never *had* to pay for SuSE if you didn’t want to… there was always the free option. Of course, I know that you knew that already, so why did you say it in the first place..?
Stop crapping on Linspire. If you don’t like them, don’t use them. I don’t (I’m a Mandrake Linux user through and through) but I have nothing against Linspire. They’re a good “newbie” distro and they have every right to charge money for the service they provide. Click’N’Run is very easy to use for newbies, and even though I wouldn’t use it I can understand why computer and Linux neophytes would.
As far as having multipile DEs go, they support KDE and that’s fine with me, as I prefer this desktop over GNOME and I do believe that it is more usable to users who migrate from Windows (while GNOME would be more usable for users migrating from Mac).
There’s enough room for Linspire in the wide Linux ecosystem. Chill out.
I am not the only one thinking that way , otherwise Linspire would have hundred of thousands of paying user if not millions.
Indicate to me which Linux distros have millions of paying users (with the possible exception of RedHat)…
P.S. You should really watch your grammar, it makes your posts hard to read.
“Stop crapping on Linspire.”
I aint , not today anyway.
“If you don’t like them, don’t use them.”
Why ? I can use and talk about the thing I paid for …
“They’re a good “newbie” distro and they have every right to charge money for the service they provide.”
They aint a distro and they aint for newbie ,its an appliance. The money part is obvious , I can discuss what I paid for.
“There’s enough room for Linspire in the wide Linux ecosystem. ”
No , simply put no one pays for it , you certainly dont , I did but will never again ( unless they radically change , it can happen look at SuSe) , and there loosing money everyday.
“Indicate to me which Linux distros have millions of paying users ”
Mandrake , SuSe , Debian , Gentoo , knoppix , etc …
and the comment whas :”otherwise Linspire would have **HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS** of paying user if not millions.
P.S. : Je m’en tappe , j’utiliserait mon vrai nom si je voulait ajouter de la crédibilité 😉
They aint a distro and they aint for newbie
Erreur, c’est bien une distro (ils sont sur “distrowatch”, après tout), et ce même si elle est différente d’autres distros.
Et il s’agit définitivement d’une distro pour les néophytes. J’ai essayé Click’N’Run (oui, j’ai payé pour, je l’ai installé sur l’ordi de ma blonde qui ne connaissait pas Linux). Ce n’était peut-être pas la distribution pour toi, par contre, ce qui expliquerait ton hostilité vis-à -vis la compagnie.
No , simply put no one pays for it , you certainly dont
Erreur, j’ai acheté une version. Et s’ils n’ont pas beaucoup de clients, ils en ont quand même quelques-uns. De toute façon, la popularité n’est pas un gage de qualité – si je devais suivre ta logique, alors Linux serait un échec total car il n’a qu’une fraction de la part de marché de Windows. C’est exactement le même raisonnement que tu tiens vis-à -vis Linspire.
there loosing money everyday
That’s not what I hear from Michael Robertson (of course, he may not be telling the whole truth). En fait, Linspire ont assez d’argent pour sponsoriser plusieurs projets, dont http://www.kde-look.org et http://www.kde-apps.org. Ne serait-ce que pour ces deux excellents sites webs, qui auraient disparus sans le soutien de Linspire, on ne peut être totalement contre Robertson.
Mandrake , SuSe , Debian , Gentoo , knoppix , etc ..
Tu crois sérieusement que Knoppix a des centaines de milliers de clients payant? Eh bien moi, ça m’étonnerais beaucoup. Gentoo et Debian non plus (ce sont plus des projets communautaires que des compagnies, de toute façon). Mandrake et SuSE, peut-être (même là , je n’en suis pas sûr).
P.S. : Je m’en tappe , j’utiliserait mon vrai nom si je voulait ajouter de la crédibilité
Bof, tu sais, moi j’ai plutôt tendance à juger les arguments que la personne qui les fait, alors que tu utilises ton vrai nom ou pas, je m’en fous pas mal…
Bonne journée! (En espérant que l’usage du français ne mène pas à l’éradication de mon message…)
To be honest, MDK don’t ‘support’ KDE to the same extent as Novell / SuSE because they ain’t as rich. There’s no-one at MDK who contributes to any other project fulltime; MDK can only afford to pay enough people to make MDK. (There’s basically one full-time KDE guy at MDK, that’s Laurent Montel – same with GNOME, Frederic Crozat).
“ils sont sur “distrowatch”, après tout”
Je définis une distribution selon certains critère et
distrowatch une autre. Il y as du BSD sur distrowatch aussi …
“ce qui expliquerait ton hostilité vis-à -vis la compagnie.”
Je ne suis pas hostile , ni non plus envers la compagnie. J’aime pas le produit et je dit pourquoi.
“Erreur, j’ai … vis-Ã -vis Linspire. ”
Non , c’est pas mal plus profond , et plus complexe aussi , je ne parle pas de part de marché mais de leur offre et du niveau de rétention d’utilisateur , j’ai donné comme example le cas de tiger direct ou il ont eu 100 000 vente d’ordinateur préinstallé avec Lindows ( linspire aujourd’hui ) c’est utilisateur aujourd’ui ont disparus.
“That’s not what I hear … contre Robertson. ”
Vas lire sa :
http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5195630.html
Linspire existerait plus si Robertson serait pas CEO.
http://www.kde-look.org et http://www.kde-apps.org. sa fait longtemps qu’il existe , ils n’ont pas été créer par Linspire et ne sont pas non plus 100% financer par linspire. Demande les vrai chiffre il participe mais c’est minime.
“Tu crois sérieusement … je n’en suis pas sûr). ”
Demande les chiffres , par contre je doit concéder de quoi la vente de ces produits n’est pas générateur de profits directement a ses distributions ou produit Gnu/Linux. Il y a beaucoup de revendeurs.
“Bof, tu sais, moi … pas mal… ”
Je cherche pas la crédibilité ici ou a argumenter , je donne mon opinion et je la précise.
PS anonymous : A nun, he moos 😉
No offense, but your comment is like making comparaison between a ford focus and a ferrari, take the offer that match and compare them on price and it (linspire) cost more.
No, the comment was just to show how ridiculous a simple price comparison is. And comparing the performance/price ratio is of subjective nature (or “debatable”, as one wrote here).
So as an example: how do you compare a Ford Focus against Ferrari? Top speed/price? Torque/price? Piston displacement/price? Horse power/price? 1/((seconds to reach 100 km/h)*price)? …
Btw: I think the price quote for Ford Focus is about 14,000 Dollar, the horse power is about 100. I don’t think that Ferrari with a typical horse power of 400 would just cost 56,000 Dollar.
And this as anything to do with linspire offer because ?
Like I said : its not a distribution ( Mandrake ) vs another Gnu/Linux product (Linspire ) Its Linspire vs Linspire and what they are based on.
“To be honest, MDK don’t ‘support’ KDE to the same extent as Novell / SuSE because they ain’t as rich.”
Dont go talking about a subject you obviously dont have all the details , SuSe and Mandrakesoft created and fully supported KDE , Novell/SuSe is still too new to compare.Linspire ONLY use KDE they have ZERO KDE developpers.
” There’s no-one at MDK who contributes to any other project fulltime”
Not even going to dignify this with a reply , its false do a real research sometime, try Mandrakesoft.com if you miss some info.
“MDK can only afford to pay enough people to make MDK”
Well at least they make “MDK” , they are not removing software from it and rebranding it under another name.
I dont see the point in comparing one of the Gnu/Linux champion distribution vs a one desktop appliance product.
Tu crois sérieusement que Knoppix a des centaines de milliers de clients payant? Eh bien moi, ça m’étonnerais beaucoup. Gentoo et Debian non plus (ce sont plus des projets communautaires que des compagnies, de toute façon). Mandrake et SuSE, peut-être (même là , je n’en suis pas sûr).
Red Hat, for example, has 115000 subscribers to Red Hat Network, but at a significantly higher price tag than consumer Linux distributions, and generating 65 million dollar in the last half-year. Projected on one year that is 130 million dollar, more than you would earn by selling 1 million distribution boxes at 100$ per year.
Je définis une distribution selon certains critère et
distrowatch une autre.
Ouais, ben si ça te dérange pas, je préfère celle de distrowatch.
Il y as du BSD sur distrowatch aussi ..
So what? A flavor of BSD is almost the same thing as a Linux distro, and it’s all part of the F/OSS Unix-like world of computing. Like openness and tolerance.
j’ai donné comme example le cas de tiger direct ou il ont eu 100 000 vente d’ordinateur préinstallé avec Lindows ( linspire aujourd’hui ) c’est utilisateur aujourd’ui ont disparus.
That proves nothing, as it’s impossible to know if the same thing wouldn’t have happened with a different version of Linux (which is likely).
Linspire existerait plus si Robertson serait pas CEO.
Encore une fois, ce n’est pas un argument sur la qualité du produit, mais sur sa performance au détail. Il y a plein de compagnies Linux qui ont traversé des difficultés – Mandrake Linux est passé tout près de la faillite, vas-tu prétendre que cela prouve que leur produit est mauvais?
Je suis désolé mais ta logique ne tient pas debout.
http://www.kde-look.org et http://www.kde-apps.org. sa fait longtemps qu’il existe , ils n’ont pas été créer par Linspire et ne sont pas non plus 100% financer par linspire. Demande les vrai chiffre il participe mais c’est minime.
Puisque tu prétends connaître les vrais chiffres, pourquoi ne me les donnes-tu pas?
Pour http://www.kde-apps.org, tu te trompes quand tu dis que ça fait longtemps que le site existe – c’est un site beaucoup plus récent que http://www.kde-look.org.
The truth is that Linspire is one of the main sponsors of the twin sites – so much so that it is the only sponsor featured on the kde-apps site, and one of only two featured on the kde-look site.
Je dis pas que ce sont les seuls sponsors, mais ils étaient là au bon moment. Sans Linspire, kde-look n’aurait pas survécu, c’est aussi simple que ça. Je le sais, je fréquentais le site quand c’est arrivé.
That said, you’re free to criticize Linspire – just as I’m free to disagree with you. Have a nice day.
“Ouais, ben si ça te dérange pas, je préfère celle de distrowatch.”
Actuellement sa me dérange car je pensait que distrowatch était avant tout un site d’information sur ce qui composait une distribution ou un produit Gnu/Linux et non pas une accréditation de type de produit.
http://lwn.net/Distributions/#nontech
“So what? A flavor of BSD … openness and tolerance.”
Sa n’a pas d’importance quand les gens savent la différence , sa devient un problème quand il font un commantaire comme le tien , Non GNU/Linux n’est pas F/OSS unix-like , et BSD ne sera jamais comme une distribution GNU/Linux.
“That proves … of Linux (which is likely). ”
Pour moi sa prouve que 100 000 clients on decider de lâcher
un produit. On parle de Linspire , est-ce que une autre distribution aurait fait mieux ? Je dit que oui. Car elle le font a chaque jour.
“Encore une fois, ce … leur produit est mauvais? ”
Un produit pour être compétitif et gagnant ce doit de se supporter lui même. Sans Robertson Linspire n’existerait plus. Mandrake a eu des problèmes de Management pas de produit. Quand le produit est bon il se vend et est profitable.
C’est moi qui est désoler , tu défend un produit sans mérite qui ne performe pas et dont tu invente des excuses et comparaison qui n’ont aucune raison d’être.
” Puisque tu prétends connaître les vrais chiffres, pourquoi ne me les donnes-tu pas? ”
Je prétend pas je les ai demander , tu les veut fait comme moi demande les a la source … Tu pourra pas prétendre que mes source et chiffre sont faux ainsi.
“Pour http://www.kde-apps.org, … plus récent que http://www.kde-look.org.”
Le site n’a pas été créer par Linspire , il a été remodifier quand Linspire a subventionner son créateur.
“The truth is that Linspire is one of the main sponsors of the twin sites”
Oui et ? Tu affirme faussement que le site serait disparu , moi ce que je sait c’est que de nombreux groupe qui voulait aider se sont désister quand il ont vus le nom Linspire (lindows).
I am not criticizing , I offer fact and observation on those fact , you can discuss them all you whant they stay the same …
Have a nice day too 😉
It’s clear that you have your own opinion (with no support) and are not interested in anyone else’s.
You take my statements out of context, you focus on small details instead of the big picture and you ignore the truth.
BTW: Linspire is a 50 person comapany, mabye that’s not too small compared to Xandros or Lycoris and Debian, but it’s small in the corporate world.
A lot of the information on mandrakesoft.com is badly out of date and was written during the boom period around the year 2000 when MDK overexpanded, which caused most of its recent financial problems. I wouldn’t rely on anything written there. MDK didn’t create KDE, either; they created one of the first major distros that was based on it.
Just wanted to tell you guys you can get a free copy of Linspire, all you have to do is register with the company and download the iso’s from mylinspire/cd downloads, also I believe that SUSE 9.1 didnt come with a GCC either, Plus Linspire can do more things out of the box than SUSE and costs almost half as much (since SUSE doesnt have the personal anymore).
Oh and to the poster that was talking about the Linux community whining about having to pay for software, I dont think we have a problem paying for software, in fact if you give us the same features that are found in the same versions that are in the Mac or Windows version were happy, just let us be able to mod the source code or make changes where we want to or add a function(we did pay for the product). And to the one that said that Linspire is not wanted because their losing money, well then how do u explain Mandrake? They were bankrupt but there are still a lot of users that want them around, second Linspire is close to releasing their IPO, so they cant be losing that much money if any.
“A lot of the information on mandrakesoft.com is badly out of date and was written during the boom period around the year 2000 ”
Its there corporate site its up to date. You can show an example, if you can find one.
“when MDK overexpanded”
MDK never overexpanded but then again you can offer/show your proof , the management overspent on E-learning.
“which caused most of its recent financial problems.”
Mandrake never add any financial problem , again feel free to show what you mean , they have been profitable since there creation. Even in the Poole era …
“I wouldn’t rely on anything written there. ”
Off course not, facts and accurate figures are not your thing. I dont rely on you. I will trust Mandrakesoft they have proven time and time over to be reliable.
“MDK didn’t create KDE, either”
Mandrake Created KDE , they share that Honor with Caldera and SuSe. They are not the founder of the project do Matthias Ettrich did.
“they created one of the first major distros that was based on it.”
No , but then you havent been right on anything so far.
I ask you again and for the last time what as a proven Gnu/Linux champion ( Mandrakesoft ) with there distribution as to do with a one desktop appliance ? NOTHING.
Exept that Linspire a such a great product that they are selling Fedora and Mandrake :
http://www.linuxshootout.com/
“Plus Linspire can do more things out of the box than SUSE and costs almost half as much (since SUSE doesnt have the personal anymore).”
http://www.linspire.com/lindows_storefront.php?own=no
Deluxe Value Bundle : 159.00
http://www.digitalriver.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN.Entry17c?SP=10007&PN=5&CI…
SUSE LINUX Professional 9.2 : 89.95
I wish you would show me how you build a Linspire server …
“also I believe that SUSE 9.1 didnt come with a GCC either”
It as Gcc , plus everything to build free software you would have to get Linspire 4.5 Developers Edition and linspire insider to do the same …
“And to the one that said that Linspire is not wanted because their losing money”
Good old me , buts its more the market is showing linspire its not wanted its not even able to support itself.
“well then how do u explain Mandrake?”
Really someone as to explain to me how Bashing everyone else in the Gnu/Linux community and twice as more the champion like SuSe and Mandrakesoft that Linspire is going to be suddenly a better product and even more important profitable …
Mandrake whas community created , its started as a community project who then developped a company to support the sales and high level of development that whas needed to give more to the paying customer. Mandrake is also a profitable project it as made money every year it existed.
Linspire Cant say the same they dont even have a distribution yet.
“They were bankrupt ”
Never happened, feel free to show when mandrake whent bankrupt its not like it means much in Gnu/Linux just look at xandros wich is the spawn of the bankrupt corel , But in Mandrake case they never whent bankrupt or where in financial trouble , Yes they did a financial reorganization , but its not because they where not making money or loosing money everyday, They always showed a profit every year since they existed , unlike Linspire wich is Loosing money everyday.
“there are still a lot of users that want them around”
Linspire dont …
“second Linspire is close to releasing their IPO”
I like the amount of crap the people here spit out …
No , no and NO
The IPO as been scrapped :
http://www.linspire.com/lindows_news_pressreleases_archives.php?id=…
Its not the first time either.
1) Failed first normal IPO as Lindows.
2) Tried again with OpenIpo as Lindows Failed again.
3) Tried as Linspire Failed again.
“so they cant be losing that much money if any. ”
http://news.com.com/2100-7344-5195630.html
Eugenia Loli-Queru I blame you for not having educated your reader !
For one I was comparing the price of just the OS’s themselves, Sure if you bought the same things for Suse it would cost more too. Second Suse 9.1 personal Did not come with GCC, you had to install it. The Linspire IPO has been postponed not scrapped. The article you showed about them losing money is from april. Mandrake emerging from bankrupcy http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=7407
And if you go to Linspire.com check out the user forums they will show you how to make a Linspire server.
I blame you for not being educated.
I was not bashing Mandrake or SUSE, infact those were the two OS’s that I started on, I now use Debian, but I always keep and open mind, I tried, Linspire and liked it, but I found its for those who know little or dont want to know much about how their system works,they just want it to work, which is fine by me. But it seems to me, that you have a problem with a Linux that just lets them do what they need to get done, and with their users. It seems that Linspire has found a nich in the Linux market, which will grow as more ppl switch to Linux. Finaly you have no right to put down a company that has contributed so much to the Linux community, or Its founder that created it. Have you contributed more than they? Are you advancing the Linux movement?
“For one I was comparing the price of just the OS’s themselves”
Gnu/Linux is the OS and its free to get …
“Sure if you bought the same things for Suse it would cost more too.”
Nope , Linspire dont have any offering that come even close to what SuSe offer even if you put all there boxe togheter you would still be lacking …
“Second Suse 9.1 personal Did not come with GCC”
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=suse
Gcc 3.3.3
“you had to install it.”
So , it come with it finally …
“The Linspire IPO has been postponed not scrapped.”
Scrapped dont mean its dead … and it whas scrapped.
“The article you showed about them losing money is from april.”
Sadly , still more accurate today.
“Mandrake emerging from bankrupcy ”
It say ” declaration de cessation des paiements,” wich Etats-Unians equate to Bankrupty protection when its not even the same thing. It translate into : notice of arrest of paiment owed. Its about two step before Bankrupty protection. If they add failed that step then they would have been in Bankrupty protection and after that bankrupt. Its a financial reorganization , and they where making money during those days.
“And if you go to Linspire.com check out the user forums they will show you how to make a Linspire server. ”
Not exactly in the box as a product is it ? nooooooo
“I blame you for not being educated.”
Care to take a guess as to who cornered the term :
” One desktop appliance ” when refering to Lindows/Linspire
hi , Eugenia 😉
“I was not bashing Mandrake or SUSE”
ITs not me who made you wrote those bashing false comments.
“But it seems to … with their users. ”
It seems to me you dont know what your talking about.
“It seems that Linspire has found a nich in the Linux market”
No , otherwise they would be profitable.
“which will grow as more ppl switch to Linux. ”
Reality check , people switch to GNU/Linux they even try Linspire , everyone like it , they just dont keep using it …
“Finaly you have no right to put down a company ”
I am about one of the only people who as the right and privilege to be able to bash them into the ground , but hey , I wish they where profitable , I am so bad …
“that has contributed so much to the Linux community”
Pleaaaseeeeeee , Michael Robertson as invested around 15 million , hardly a lot in GNU/Linux. Its even a Research for you to do :
How much is Mozilla worth and how much as Linspire invested in them : 2 thousand is the answer to what they invested in mozilla. AOL as invested Millions.
Some reading for you :
http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/linux-kernel-cost.html
http://www.dwheeler.com/sloc/
“Have you contributed more than they?”
Yes. But then again , its suppose to be everyone add something and things improve.
“Are you advancing the Linux movement?”
No , I advance the Gnu/linux movement.
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Linspire as 85 full-time employees :
0 KDE developper
0 Kernel developper
0 Xfree or Xorg developper
0 Open office developper
0 Firefox developper
etc …
must be 85 salesman ? or bad salesman since they dont make a profit yet.