Home > Gnome > GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 Public Testing Released GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 Public Testing Released Submitted by Metin Amiroff 2005-02-03 Gnome 39 Comments Also known as 2.9.90, GNOME 2.10 Beta 1 is the first pre-release intended for wide public scrutiny before the final release in March. About The Author Eugenia Loli Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker. Follow me on Twitter @EugeniaLoli 39 Comments 2005-02-03 7:24 pm you should link here instead, http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/desktop/2.9/2.9.90/ 2005-02-03 7:28 pm Is it me, or is the version number of 2.10 misleading? 2.9.90 appears to be a more recent version than 2.1(0). Perhaps they should call it 2.10.0, so that people don’t mentally drop the 0 off the end, and think of it as v2.1. Eitehr way, I’m sure it’ll be a nice release… Just think that some more thought should have gone into the versioning of the system 2005-02-03 7:28 pm No, that only includes the sources for the Desktop part of gnome, not the whole thing. There is also the folder for the platform bit, and the bindings bit. I just don’t have the time or feel like it including 3 more links. I believe that the directory path should have been as such: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.9/2.9.90/platform http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.9/2.9.90/desktop http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.9/2.9.90/bindings This way, I can just link to http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/2.9/2.9.90/ and be done with it. People would figure out the rest. My 2 greek drachmas. 2005-02-03 7:32 pm Mr. Banned, version numbers aren’t treated like decimal numbers, every part (separated by dots) is a(n integer) number for itself -> like in the kernel i’m looking forwared to 2.10 2005-02-03 7:34 pm Excellent – do like GNOME – would like to see Nautilus “remember” window size in browser mode though – frustrating clicking your home directory icon on the desktop on something like Fedora Core or Ubuntu for it not to fully maximise to your full screen – then having to either double click the title bar or manually click the maximise button to make it fully fill the screen. 2005-02-03 7:44 pm >>>Mr. Banned, version numbers aren’t treated like decimal numbers, every part (separated by dots) is a(n integer) number for itself -> like in the kernel <<<< Not to bite the bait… as this version numbering discussion has gone on *EVERY* time a GNOME-related announcement has been made post 2.8… I think Mr. Banned understands how the version numbering system works. He’s just suggesting how to change it in a manner that makes it more “accessible” to the average joe. 2005-02-03 7:45 pm when nautilus will have some search functions like konqueror ? 2005-02-03 7:53 pm the thing is, marketspeak names are pretty useless. version numbers tell you something. and no versioning i have ever heard of uses decimals. thats like saying http://www.osnews.com is grammatically incorrect, grammer has nothing to do with it. or it does, about as much as decimals have to do with version numbers. 2005-02-03 7:54 pm I don’t follow Gnome development very closely (although I do enjoy Gnome and use it on occasion, I usually run fluxbox and if I use a full DE it’s usually KDE) and I am wondering what the big improvements are for 2.10. Are there any “killer features”? 2005-02-03 7:58 pm There are no real “killer” features on 2.10, as it’s an incremental release with the occasional new features. Read about them here: http://www.gnome.org/~davyd/gnome-2-10/ 2005-02-03 8:01 pm Thanks for the link (if I weren’t so lazy I might have just google searched, but hey). The new system tools look pretty nice. I do have to say, though, that the name “goobox” (the new music extractor) is bound to be made fun of…a lot. 2005-02-03 8:19 pm …Gnome could use a boost. 2005-02-03 8:39 pm Though I never found Gnome to be slow the new gtk+-2.6 does give some speed improvements. 2005-02-03 8:42 pm Actually, after all the talk about Pat possibly dropping Gnome from Slack, I’m more curious if they’ve worked on cleaning up the build process (though, take my suggestion with a grain of salt, since I’ve never actually tried to build Gnome myself). 2005-02-03 8:45 pm No, they haven’t. The only change in the build process was the update of some packages to a newer autoconf version. The rest of the quirks are still there. As for speed improvements, except the subtle changes gtk 2.6.1 brings, nothing major has been done. I hope that one day the gnome devs will take one month time to optimize gnome. No new features to be added at that time, just speed/memory optimization work. That would kick ass. 2005-02-03 8:48 pm It’s still a beast to build from scratch. I’ve found Dropline for Slackware to be very good (if you can overlook the addition of PAM, it’s worth using). 2005-02-03 9:02 pm Whats wrong with PAM? 2005-02-03 9:28 pm Nothing, it just doesn’t come with Slackware normally. The installer for Dropline Gnome also installs PAM which some Slackware users have a beef with, though I personally do not. The Dropline team have done an excellent job packaging Gnome. PAM is just part of their price of admission. 2005-02-03 10:22 pm Are there debs or an apt repository for Gnome 2.9/2.10 beta? There were for 2.7. 2005-02-03 11:08 pm Actually, since 2.6. 2005-02-04 12:16 am What will be different than 2.9.4: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=224&slide=1 2005-02-04 12:19 am is great, much more stable for me. Unfortunately Nautilus hasn’t had much work, but oh well… 2005-02-04 12:57 am Does this include the 2.10 beta? 2005-02-04 1:43 am Yes, let’s seperate the numbers by commas instead! So we’d have GNOME 2,10 or kernel 2,6. I bet the French wouldn’t get as confused as the Americans! 2005-02-04 1:59 am I don’t know what you’re talking about. Nautilus has had some major work done on it in the 2.9.x branch. With more than just things behind the scenes changed. There have been several long standing bugs and general annoyances that have been fixed. 2005-02-04 2:48 am ” I don’t know what you’re talking about. Nautilus has had some major work done on it in the 2.9.x branch. With more than just things behind the scenes changed. There have been several long standing bugs and general annoyances that have been fixed. ” Well, my network is still futzed. Spatial nautilus is nicer for sure (if you use it), but using the tree view with nautlius’ find as you type doesn’t work. It seems exactly the same as nautilus 2.6 IMO. 2005-02-04 7:13 am I am using ubuntu linux for two weeks because all the goods reviews, but I am very close to quit due to gnome. Gnome is so buggy, things like the lock screen sometimes works sometimes not, nautilus is a complete nightmare etc. If I could find apps like kile and k3b I may try to use gnome longer. 2005-02-04 7:16 am Hi, does 2.10 let me change keyboard layout with a simple mouse click such as with KDE ? I’d not want to go to the menu each time and do it manually. 2005-02-04 7:36 am the number one thing i’m upset with this release is that beagle will not be part of 2.10. 2005-02-04 8:17 am * gnome-backgrounds * gnome-doc-utils * gnome-menus * sound-juicer (pending feedback from Ross) * totem Not included within GNOME 2.10 will be: * gnome-schedule * gnome_war_pad * polypaudio * libgnomesu * gwget * pygtk * galago, libnotify, notification-daemon * nautilus-sendto * goobox * gnome-user-share * gnome-keyring-manager 2005-02-04 8:39 am It will be some time, or forever, before Beagle becomes a part of gnome. It’s much more complicated than just including it. That means you would have to get all the gnome developers to agree that mono should get the thumbs up as an official gnome development environment, something that is far from taking place now. All is not lost though. Distro’s from Ubuntu, Novell, and others will either include it or be a simple download and install. There are a lot of apps that come with distros that aren’t a part of core gnome (just getting evolution there created a ton of discussion). Beagle is certainly more exciting than the new features in gnome (there are big changes but a lot are things that won’t be as noticable). I also can’t wait to use the newer version of tomboy when I upgrade to hoary. 2005-02-04 8:43 am Not including gnome-keyring-manager is my biggest gripe. Gnome really needs that. Why did it not get included? Also gnome-user-share looked very exciting, what happened to that? 2005-02-04 9:53 am http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=224&sli… Thte screen shots show the trash can moved from the desktop to the IMHO better position at the panel. Is this an ubunto thing or will this be part of future Gnome versions? 2005-02-04 10:24 am As I see it there are a few showstoppers that prevent Gnome from ending up on the enterprise desktop. They are 1) It can’t handle posix ACLs even though most modern unix file systems now support them. This means that a windows user have more control over a samba share than the sysadmin has from gnome. This is not acceptable. 2) A working network browser in nautilus. In most enterprises a Gnome migration will not happen over night. There will probably be some windows boxes left for a very long time, and it should be possible to connect to file shares from them. 3) User & Group management in LDAP, perhaps with addition of e-mail and samba shares a la MacOS-X server. Just using files doesn’t cut it in a large organization. 4) A windows and MacOS port of Evolution. As stated earlier Gnome migration wont happen over night and the organization must be able to communicate in a uniform way over the migration period. Improved user interface of Evolution wouln’t hurt either. E.g. it should be possible to sort/move mails to different folders by drag & drop. As it is now, Windows userss will feel they downgrade if they switch from MS-outlook to Evolution. Hope at least some of it will be addressed in the upcomming Gnome version. 2005-02-04 4:09 pm @Mr. Banned The same exact thing was said when the FreeBSD 4.X branch reached the 4.10 version number. Some prefered it to be numbered 4.9.1 beyond 4.9, but the developers maintained that version numbers and decimal numbers are not the same so the version beyond 4.9 became 4.10. The same has been mentioned here. What sucks is that when you do a directory listing, it will throw off the sort order, but that’s life. Just gotta deal. 2005-02-04 4:50 pm 2 – we discussed this one before. It WFM, at least. 5 – this one’s got me baffled. In what way can you not move mails from one folder to another by drag and drop?! I thought I did this every day, but I must’ve been mistaken. I use Outlook all day at work, and Evolution the rest of the day at home, and I certainly prefer the Evolution UI these days. (Back in the earlier days it was more or less a straight Outlook clone, IMHO it’s gone in the right direction since then). 2005-02-04 7:23 pm i believe its ubuntu, although it really should be that way out of the box. friggin spectacular idea, now all the gnome guys need to do is get that clock out of the upper left hand corner and put something in thats actually useful. i think its the “i want to be windows”-itis that inspires DM designers to throw the clock in corners, such a horrendous waste of prime real estate. 2005-02-04 8:53 pm It’s part of GNOME 2.10 and can be added to panel same way as applets (right click – add to panel) 2005-02-04 9:20 pm It’s part of GNOME 2.10 and can be added to panel same way as applets (right click – add to panel) Great! Now, one would hope that this is the default position, and that, they like mattb suggests, removes the clock from the corner.