“We’ve waited more than four years for Mozilla, the Netscape-backed open-source browser–and we’re still waiting for the completed version. But Mozilla has finally posted its official Release Candidate 1 (RC 1) and plans to release the final soon.” Read the review at ZDNews. NewsForge also runs an editorial for Mozilla: “Three reasons to fall in love with Mozilla”. Tabbed browsing is one of the reasons, and indeed a very handy feature.
Review: Mozilla Loaded up for Browser Wars
About The Author
Eugenia Loli
Ex-programmer, ex-editor in chief at OSNews.com, now a visual artist/filmmaker.
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The newsforge guys have it right– tabbed browsing ROCKS!As does the “kill pop-up” option.
Seriously, I’ve tried MANY browsers–iCab, many Netscapes, Opera, IE (ugh! Never like IE-slow and crashes more than the others– though the Mac version is actually better than the Windows version.), and Mozilla is the fastest. And it is VERY standards compliant and feature rich. It implements CSS,javascript, cookies and security well enough that there are almost no web sites that give me trouble (except the ones designed by the otherwise-unemployable morons on my company intranet
).
Wish list: a button on the tool bar for enabling/disabling cookies with one key stroke (instead of going into preferences). An option to lay new tabs BELOW parent tabs instead of above. A finished 1.0 version of Chimera, the Cocoa-based re-write for OS X.
From the sounds of it the reviewer doesn’t realise Mozilla and Netscape are the same product with different packaging…..
“From the sounds of it the reviewer doesn’t realise Mozilla and Netscape are the same product with different packaging…..”
In actuality, however, this isn’t true. Netscape’s 6.2.X browsers are based on Mozilla, this is true, but they are based on a quite old snapshot of the Mozilla source tree (0.9.4, to be exact).
While Netscape has imported some of the patches from the 6 milestone releases since their snapshot, they still have many of the bugs and few of the features that have been fixed/added since that time.
To say that Netscape’s browser is based on Mozilla? True.
To say that the two browsers are one-in-the-same? False.
“From the sounds of it the reviewer doesn’t realise Mozilla and Netscape are the same product with different packaging…..”
This is not true.
Netscape’s browser is based on Mozilla: True
Netscape’s browser and Mozilla are the same product with different packaging: False
Netscape’s 6.2.X suite is based on the 0.9.4 Mozilla Milestone. While I am certain that Netscape has backported some of the bugfixes and patches that have been fixed in the 6 releases since 0.9.4, they certainly haven’t kept up with all of them, not to mention the slight feature tweaks, and entirely new features (like MathML, etc).
Netscape 6.2.X is a browser based on Mozilla 0.9.4, not Mozilla 1.0(RC1). As someone with experience embedding Mozilla, I have to say that being out of touch even one Milestone is a extremely difficult thing (I worked 8 milestones behind for a long while).
I wouldn’t be surprised, however, if Netscape soon releases a new version based on the stable (1.0) code.
How about three reasons to hate mozilla?
1. It’s horribly bloated & slow
2. You need 500mhz or above just to run it
3. I can type faster than it’s UI can update
I don’t wanna sound to negative here but mozilla plain and simply sucks. I do not care if everyone with 2gzh p4’s and 512mb of ram can run it fine — that’s not the point — it’s simply no excuse to bloat code.
Some of us cannot afford new computers and our old ones CANNOT run mozilla. I think this is an excellent example of an opensource project with totally messed up priorities. The OpenSource community is no better than Microsoft if it forces it’s users to upgrade their hardware to accomodate the software.
Don’t even try and tell me that a browser ‘needs’ a 500mhz CPU and 512mb of ram. That’s nonsense. I remember browsing just fine on my p200 with windows 95 — and I’m pretty sure there haven’t been ‘that’ many advancements in browser technology sinse then.
meh, maybe I’ll go back to using w95.
You have to realize that after Win95 IE was integrated into the operating system. IE loads faster because it already is loaded into memory, if it wasn’t I think that it probably wouldn’t load quite as fast. Also, to use IE 6 you have to havbe at least Win98, it doesn’t run on 95, so Microsoft is bascically somewhat forcing you to also upgrade to a newer operating sytem, which in turn may also make you upgrade your hardware too.
Unfortunately, more web sites now are using more dynamic content like Flash and Java which adds alot of bloat just to an ordinary website. I am sure that using an older processor (P200) would be slow in rendering a page in any browser for that matter, using dynamic content.
Anyway, I look forward to Mozilla’s 1.0 release, good job Mozilla team, disregard the naysayers, you’re doing a great job.
How about three reasons to hate mozilla?
1. It’s horribly bloated & slow
2. You need 500mhz or above just to run it
3. I can type faster than it’s UI can update
I used to run old mozilla builds, before a lot of the newer optimizations, on a 200Mhz Pentium box. I had no problems what so ever, except for initial load time. Though, I was doing this under BeOS, not windows.
How about one other reason to love mozilla: If the browser flakes out, it does not take down the entire desktop with it, like some other “integrated” solutions I know.
Hey Jim, have you _used_ a recent snapshot of Mozilla? Like 0.9.9, or the RC1 ? Many of the issues with the eariler snapshots (ie Slowness and stability) have been fixed.
Speaking both as a user and a web developer, IE is my absolute favorite. Second, it is Mozilla indeed. It did NOT used to be Mozilla, but the last 3-4 months, the versions they released, are indeed much faster and much more solid. And I love tab browsing!
Tom Barta said that IE under Mac is better than IE under Windows. This is not true. IE under windows is much-much faster, with way less bugs.
Mac users, go here with IE:
http://www.sport.gr/track.asp
Now try to resize this (ridiculously rendered) page. Hah!
> IE (ugh! Never like IE-slow
> and crashes more than
> the others-
Hmm .., what OS are you running? In my experience, IE used to be horrible (stability-wise) with the Win 9X series, but everything has improved since Win 2000. IE on Xp is certainly pleasant, and I have yet to get a crash with that.
Anyway, I like mozilla a lot, and I am hoping the speed would have improved again by the time 1.0 rolls out. Every viable alternative is good news. On linux though, I think konqueror will eventually outperform everybody else.
> 2. You need 500mhz
> or above just to run it
Why? I have a 350 AMD desktop, and it runs the 9.9* build just fine.
> Mac users, go here with IE:
> http://www.sport.gr/track.asp
Ha Eugenia, that looks Greek to me
And again, wasn’t that a sports page ?? 
It is Greek indeed. But IE under Mac has a problem with it and all the Greek pages. Except the fact that it can’t render the greek font correctly, when you try to resize that page, you can go out for a coffee, come back and then have it resized.
“The OpenSource community is no better than Microsoft if it forces it’s users to upgrade their hardware to accomodate the software.”
Shit of a bull.
MS doesn’t force you to upgrade because hardware ain’t their business. MS forces you to buy more and more of THEIR crap.
If you were right, there wouldn’t be a difference – from your point of view – in running MS software that fits your hardware and running open sauce that fits your hardware…
After all, neither of them asked you to run the latest gadgets, anyways… so WTF?
> MS forces you to buy more
> and more of THEIR crap.
What crap though? Do you think MS makes billions by being stupid? They do a lot of things well, they suck at a few things, and they are continually improving their products.
A wise general would not scoff when he sees his enemy oiling and polishing his gun. You cannot contain MS by dismissing what’s staring you in the face.
Just to give credit where it’s due, Opera had tabbed browsing before Mozilla. In fact, Opera 4 (it’s up to 6 now) only let you browse with tabs (which looked like the Windows taskbar), and they eventually added multiple window support due to popular demand.
Still, you have to be smart to copy the right things, and the tabbed, single-window approach is absolutely the right way to go for little old me. Since build 0.9.9, I’ve dropped Opera and moved to Mozilla full time. I never thought I’d say this, but Mozilla is now (on my Windows 2000 machines) more stable than Opera, and looks a lot better (font-rendering-wise) on my Lycoris Desktop/LX machines.
The only other feature I wish had been copied was the search functionality in the address bar — while Mozilla does let you ‘arrow down’ to a preselected search engine choice, Opera lets you prefix your keywords to indicate one of many search engines directly (for example, typing ‘g chocolate sandwiches’).
By the way, I did try Mozilla 0.9.7, and HATED it. It was slow, it was buggy — for me, it SUCKED. 0.9.9 had been improved to the point that it has become my primary browser. Naysayers, try the latest build, and rejoice! Or not. see if I care.
There’s an addon that does just this…
http://www.xulplanet.com/downloads/view.cgi?category=applications&v…
Very handy! XULPlanet is also the best source I’ve found for Mozilla skins.
>>Tom Barta said that IE under Mac is better than IE under Windows. This is not true. IE under windows is much-much faster, with way less bugs.<<
IE is the worst web browser running on the Mac these days. Mozilla is a lot faster and more accurate with performance. Chimera is even better, and getting better by the day. I still use OmniWeb mostly because of a few certain likes that I have for it. But once Chimera becomes more full featured I’ll probably switch my tune 🙂
Dave:
“The only other feature I wish had been copied was the search functionality in the address bar — while Mozilla does let you ‘arrow down’ to a preselected search engine choice, Opera lets you prefix your keywords to indicate one of many search engines directly (for example, typing ‘g chocolate sandwiches’).”
Have you tried Bookmark keywords? It can be really usefull!
http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/keywords.html
I just wonder why they can’t get Java working properly in it?
I have the latest JDK installed and Mozilla asks for a plugin. Why? JDK is already here!
To install java in your Mozilla copy the files NP*.dll from JRE’s homein
C:devjsdk14 = JSDK home
C:devjsdk14jre = JRE home
C:devjsdk14jrein = where NP*.dll are
into Mozilla’s homePlugins
C:Arquivos de programasMozillaPlugins
I love mozilla. It’s the only browser that I enjoy.
PS: I am not a webmaster, of course 🙂
When I said Mac IE was better than Win IE, I meant in terms of W3 standards compliance.
In terms of speed, recent builds of Mozilla can’t be beat, even at 350 MHz. IE is reasonably competitive, speedwise, under OS 9.x, but the threading is poor under OS X.
Of course, some of this is subjective, because how a page renders influences the perceived speed. I don’t sit there with a stopwatch, nor do I wait for a page to load completely before using it. Actually, under Mozilla, I often start with a news page an “tab” 5-10 pages concurrently while reading one of my choice. I find this a very eficient way to surf.
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I just wonder why they can’t get Java working properly in it?
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The fact that you have a runtime (which is installed with the JDK) doesn’t mean that the browser is able to use it automatically. What you need is a plugin, which the JDK installer does try to install on IE and Netscape, but not Mozilla. That is the reason you don’t have Java in Mozilla.
What you have to do is to copy the plugin files from the Java Runitme Environment’s bin directory (the JRE’s directory should be in the JDK’s directory) to the plugin directory of Mozilla. These files have the NP*.dll nomenclature.
Hope that helps.
Mozilla v0.98 is slow as molasses on my p200 with 64mb of ram. Opera 6 tp3 via linux emulation (I run FreeBSD) is _way_ faster — so what is the problem? Opera 6 has this terrible problem — it has a lot of difficulty loading images and consequently sometimes cannot load pages. This is really frustrating.
I’m not talking about mozilla load times — I’m saying it’s plain slow — the UI is really really slow. Maybe I’m the only one who thinks mozilla is crap — sure I am in no position to ridicule free software, but the fact of the matter is we have half a dozen web browsers available to us now and none of them are worth their weight in tulips.
1. netscape 4.75 — unstable, crappy, etc
2. mozilla – sloooooow & bloated
3. opera – doesn’t work right
4. konqueror – slow last time I tried it
5. galeon – this was no faster than mozilla, and seemed rather buggy
6. nautilus – heard of this — I don’t really know?
7. dillo – no javascript support & kinda weak
Do we really _need_ this many web browsers? Why can’t we have atleast _one_ browser that does the job? You want to know why Linux isn’t on the desktop?
“What crap though?”
Windows, Access, Outlook, Word, PowerPoint, Visual Studio.NET, IE, and so on.
“Do you think MS makes billions by being stupid?”
No, they make billions by others being stupid.
I think that Mozilla supports killing pop-up and pop-under windows. Opera is the first browser I ever used that allowed me to do this, which is why I use it all the time.
Of course cough, Eugenia, cough, it would be better if webmasters took their user’s into consideration and quit creating these windows in the first place.
…Something new to break up my IE boredom.
>>I used to run old mozilla builds, before a lot of the newer optimizations, on a 200Mhz Pentium box. I had no problems what so ever, except for initial load time. Though, I was doing this under BeOS, not windows.
How about one other reason to love mozilla: If the browser flakes out, it does not take down the entire desktop with it, like some other “integrated” solutions I know.<<
I have to disagree, Mozilla runs very slow on my 500 celeron the latest build is ok but still slow. The biggest problem is it runs fast when first installed but gets slower as you use it. also as mentioned above you can type faster than it can put the letters on the screen. Also when mozilla crashes which it seams to often, it does take apps with it. It has yet to crash the computer but has come close.
I must say before IE 6 i hated IE , I now use it all the time. It is no longer ugly looking and is very stable. The biggest problem i have is the bug were i can’t print from it. Mozilla also won’t print for me. I belive this is a known bug for both. Opera prints just fine. It is a very nice browser with wonderful tabs. Still I miss Net+ damn I loved that browser.
Heh, Konquerer is the biggest pile of garbage I’ve used in a long time, Netscape 4.x is better than that junk.
You forgot to add IE to the list with its poor PNG support, not sure about the Windows version, but the Mac version is unbearable and Java support is a random gamble, not including slow and weak for webpages that demand a lot of horsepower to render!
PNG support in IE on Win32 is good, maybe that’s just a mac issue. and the horsepower is the problem discussed before, mac problem, not IE problem
Observing these arguments about browser wars on various geek sites (OSNews, Slashdot, K5 etc) I’ve come to realise that we, the consumers, finally have a healthy choice of products. Just 3 years ago there really was no competition, Micros~1 had won the browser wars. Today, we have 3 excellent browsers (you all know which ones I’m refering to). Thats great, isn’t it.
BTW – I’m a devoted Opera convert. You really need to have a fantastic product when you charge US$35 when your competitors are giving their product away for free. Opera truly is a generation ahead of Mozilla and IE6. IMHO.
I think i have a solution to plugins not finding the plugins folder i am making a page on my website to help with that. you can find it here ( http://wv.superinetmall.com/mozilla.html ) gonna be adding more to it soon…. i want to try to make msnbc work perfectly with mozilla. It used to but then stopped for some reason around version .97 i think.
Anyhow I love mozilla its my main browser and i use the personal bar the most for quick acess to all my favorite sites and sites i work on for development.
“PNG support in IE on Win32 is good, maybe that’s just a mac issue. and the horsepower is the problem discussed before, mac problem, not IE problem”
Actually it’s an IE problem, not a Mac problem… since both IE versions for Mac OS 9 and Mac OS X are slow and bloated!
Actually, IE on Windows still doesn’t support transparent PNGs, which really sucks from a web developer’s point of view. It means I have to use GIF’s when I need transparency.
Well, I run both FreeBSD and Linux on the same box. I.. how you say… “quad boot”. (Yeh, I like a lot of OS’s)
Mozilla, for me, is a lot slower in FreeBSD than it is in linux. There could be a number of reasons for this. The most likely is that Mozilla just isn’t well optimized for FreeBSD.
Mozilla for BeOS is pretty bad and only recently has started improving due to it being optimized for the OS.
Has anyone else noticed that on the same hardware, XFree86 is MUCH slower on FreeBSD than on Linux? Kde2 is much faster in linux than WindowMaker is in FreeBSD. It’s also safe to say that WindowMaker is a much lighter weight window manager.
So maybe the problem is that XFree86 runs slower in FreeBSD?
BTW, I’m not bashing FreeBSD or anything, it’s just my experience that X is a lot slower in it (like, everything about X is slower in FreeBSD, I even get much slower framerates with DRI!).
I really don’t get what the complaints are about Mozilla being slow. I will agree startup time is slow, but that’s why I turned on Quick Launch. With Quick launch on it starts instantly. I used Mozilla on a Pentium Pro 200 with 64 megs ram over the summer, so I guess it must’ve been 0.9.4 or so. Once it started up, it was pretty damn fast. Page rendering speed definately was noticably faster than Netscape 4.x or IE on the machine. The UI did seem slightly slower other apps, but I don’t think it was enough of a difference that the average user would notice. I will say that RC1 is probably the worst build in a long time. It’s crashed more on me than the past 3-4 milestones combined did. That said, you can count the times RC1 has crashed on your fingers, with some left over. A Mozilla crash has never taken down any other apps for me. If it does, that’s an OS issue. IE otoh usually takes out the systray with it whenever it crashes, which is the penalty of being integrated into the OS…
At least on BeOS. Which is why I’ve given Mozilla 0.9.9 a try. it’s the ONLY option we have and, considering it does SSL sites now (Wells Fargo, anyone?)… I’m really happy!
I use RC1 on 2 boxes. They are stable and fast. Don’t have much problems with them. And I love the popup-killer and the virus-free emailing.
Jim,
I have a suspicion that you are not interested in facts, but rather in slandering the Mozilla 🙂
But first of all – how long have you used Mozilla for? Because – I you are not “any-product” regular user for at least two or so months, we don’t need to talk it further.
I first moved from Netscape 4.7 family to IE and Outlook. After one year or so, once Mozilla got to 0.9.7, I fully switched to Mozilla, at least on my home Duron 650 machine. Yes, Mozilla was slow on my work Celeron 300/64MB RAM, maybe also because I run many application, e.g. heavy Lotus Notes etc. It was not slowly rendering, but its UI was rather slow …
But – IE and Outlook are no more alternative to me. Why should I bother to follow all those security patches? Last week my brother called me to remove Klez virus. I no more talk ppl into using product X or product Y, but once my brother was really frustrated by seeing all that MS Outlook crap, IE crashes taking down all opened windows, he asked me for some alternative – I offered him Opera and Mozilla.
I was actually surprised that on his Celeron 300 machine, 64MB RAM, new Mozilla is pretty usable, UI “slowness” wise. And importing his Outlook emails/address books was a snap.
He asked me – when you will perform installation? I just told him – there is no installation necessary with Mozilla – jut unarchive, copy and run! For me, as an administrator, Mozilla is of a great value.
What is more – it is imo more standard compliant than IE. But – every browser has its bugs 🙂 http://www.richinstyle.com/
-pekr-
Eugenia, you said “Speaking both as a user and a web developer, IE is my absolute favorite.”
Once you factor in trying to keep your stuff vaguely safe (be it files on your hard drive, cookies on sites that keep personal details, card numbers and so forth) the IE is a pox as a user.
You can make things a fair bit safer by turning off Active Scripting, but there have been exploits in the past which worked in spite of any security settings. Once you’ve switched scripting off one of IE’s big edges goes away – it no longer works on a bunch of fancy sites with mucho Javascript, written so bizarrely that they only work in IE.
As a developer, I’ve seen all sorts of crazy behaviour from different versions of IE – including:
– getting a ‘Referer’ of “http://gallery.future-i.com/, http://gallery.future-i.com/“ – i.e. literally the same value twice when skipping between secure and non-secure pages. Not sure if this is down to it sending /all/ of the headers twice and the HTTP spec’s declaration that:
X-Foo: Bar
X-Foo: Zim
must have the same semantics as:
X-Foo: Bar, Zim
– IE saying ‘Done.’ at the bottom of a page when it is still uploading a large file to the server.
– a version of IE5 for Windows which didn’t do PNGs (despite them listing it as supported). It turns out it was some hokey branded IE from CNET. Still if MS are going to give people the tools to offer branded versions of IE they should still be functionally equivalent.
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Possible, but I don’t think to any degree of significance. I had window manager installed before and it was pretty slow — maybe it just sucks as well. I find the UI’s for most apps to be pretty snappy (opera, gimp, bluefish, gaim, etc). The mozilla rendering engine seems decent enough — but that still cannot make up for the fact that I can type faster than it’s UI can update (but then again maybe I’m just an amazingly fast typer or something). Aparantly Galeon was supposed to _fix_ these UI downfalls — but it didn’t really. Galeon was just as slow as Mozilla and it’s text input was erratic to say the least.
I installed FreeBSD on a friends box a few weeks ago — and I installed it right beside Gentoo linux — we didn’t really notice any speed difference with X or KDE.
IE for Win DOES support tranparent PNGs!
The Implentation how to do it, just sucks.
< DIV STYLE=”width:400; height:300;
filter:progid:DXImageTransform.Microsoft.AlphaImageLoader
(src=’pics/png-transparent.png’, sizingMethod=’image’;”>
< /DIV>
Use JavaScript to dectect IE.
One major complaint I have encountered time and time again about Mozilla is that it is bloated. People say this because they are comparing it to browsers like Opera. Here’s some news: Mozilla is not a browser. It is a browser platform. Does Opera have its own cross-platform component architecture? Can you build entire applications with Opera? You can’t, because Opera is only a browser. With Mozilla, you can build IRC clients, word processors, PIMs and more. Moreover, these apps are cross-platform.
The Mozilla Project never encouraged people to use Mozilla itself for their everyday browsing needs. They simply provided source and packages and people chose to use them. To get the full power of Mozilla’s browsing on your chosen platform, use a Mozilla-based browser like Galeon or Chimera. Galeon is already far ahead of Mozilla in terms of functionality. Its tabbed browsing support (via GTK+) is far better than Mozilla’s and Opera’s.
Hmmm… Interesting.
Perhaps it’s a “YMMV” thing. BTW, for what it’s worth, I use the STABLE branch.
Well, then perhaps it’s just that Mozilla is unoptimized for FreeBSD?
Did you try Mozilla on both Boxen?
BTW, I just installed rc1 in linux (not on any other OS yet), I’ve noticed a fairly large speed increase over 0.9.9.
So for those of you still using 0.9.9, I recommend the upgrade.
Galeon is still slow for you? That is strange… The latest galeon with the latest mozilla is REALLY fast for me. Mozilla is faster in Windows than in linux for me, but galeon in linux is even faster, though I admit it’s been a while since I’ve used galeon in FreeBSD so maybe galeon sucks in FreeBSD as well? Galeon is part of the gnome project, and the gnome developers, only not too long ago, decided to start supporting FreeBSD, so maybe that has something to do with FreeBSD gnome support being young?
Bezilla seems to be the slowest of all the mozilla ports.. It will be nice when it gets caught up, and the last few releases seemed to have made great strides with this.
Quote:
To say that Netscape’s browser is based on Mozilla? True.
To say that the two browsers are one-in-the-same? False.
Its just like the old sqare versus rectangle. A sqare is always a rectangle, but a rectangle is not necessarily a square. Netscape is always mozilla, but mozilla is not necessarily Netscape.
To list just a few of Mozilla’s strong points which many people do not know about:
– Full support of PNG images (with alpha channel and gamma correction)
– Best CSS +DOM support
– tabbed browsing with “bookmark groups” (one bookmark opens several tabbed pages)
– better pop-up killer than Opera’s. Opera does not make any distinction between onloap popup and onclick popup windows. In fact Mozilla has a javascript events filtering system, you can also disable window resizing, window raising or moving change of status bar text…
– server by server image blocker (in other words, add-banner blocking !)
– Security !(master password protection, passwords encryption, cookie management, form management, SSL2/SSL3/TLS…)
– lots of tools for web developpers : view source with tag colouring, javascript console, javascript debugger, DOM inspector, composer with CSS support, java console, page info, CSS2/HTML/DOM full references in the sidebar…)
http://developer.netscape.com/evangelism/sidebar/index.html
– bookmark keywords :
http://developer.netscape.com/evangelism/docs/articles/bookmarks/
– themes
– “meta search engine” sidebar with the synthesis of search results (a bit like Copernic or Sherlock)
– HTTP1.1 pipelining support (added this week
– calendar add-on
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/
– user stylesheet and user UI prefs file (you can modify whatever you want in the UI with CSS)
– support of multiple stylesheets, / ex go to http://www.meyerweb.com/ and change the look of the site from the “view/use style” menu
– Site Navigation bar (this is HTML 2 !), handy with standard compliant informational sites (W3C /instance)
– very good print preview
These are the features I like most, another Mozilla user would probably give a different list 🙂
Pascal
“loaded up” when Mozilla went from 0.9.7 (loading in like 15 seconds) to 1.0 RC1 w/ a much better load time
… even more so on MacOS X than on Windows, and why Chimera is getting better and better.
http://www.mozillazine.org/weblogs/hyatt/
Quick summary:
– the “everything and the kitchensink” in a single application kills performance, a browser only Mozilla should be quite a bit faster
– OS9 and OSX compatibility forces Mozilla on MacOS X into a “slow compatibility” environment
– Chimera on MacOS X is one of the best looking, cleanest and fastest browsers on any playform
http://chimera.mozdev.org
pekr: Come over here and try running mozilla on my p200 and then we’ll talk about facts. I’m not slandering Mozilla — Slander requires that I be ‘lying’ about something, and I’m not lying about anything. Anyone who has run Mozilla on an older machine _knows_ how painfully slow it is.
Yama:
“With Mozilla, you can build IRC clients, word processors, PIMs and more. Moreover, these apps are cross-platform.”
Buahahahaha… Okay, well I give up. You guys win. Mozilla is a great 20 lb swiss army knife; Too bad I don’t have bigger pockets.
cheers.
oh well, I thought so 🙂 I used incorrect wording, sorry. I am not native Englishmen, and although I tried to look at vocabulary for proper term, it seems to me I choosed the wrong one … my intention was not to tell you are lying. I just said what I said – for me on my P300 it was practically unusable, and turned into nearly useable with latest releases …
I can imagine P200 is slow for you. But, as we speek, hw is becoming cheaper and cheaper (and in reality I hate such point of view, as I come from Amiga land, and Amigas were/are fantastic example, how efficient system should work even on rather obsolete hw). So yes, Mozilla is a resource hog – not noticeable on my Duron 650 which is nearly 3 years old, not noticeable on my Athlon 1.4 at my work. So, as time passes by, another factors prevail.
As for your comment to another user, I just can’t understand it – Mozilla is an architecture. While its primary goal was to become browser, browser is not necessarily the only one usage … Why do you fight against it?
Who prevents you from using IE or Opera? Why ppl just don’t use what serves their purpose the best? For me, – it is currently just Mozilla …
-pekr-