After a few coasters because of the bad quality CDs we bought at Fry’s for 8 bucks some time ago (avoid the “GQ, Great Quality” brand at all costs, they only seem to work well with selected burners no matter the burning speed used), I burned and installed Fedora Core 1 successfully. Update: Get mp3 support for your Fedora’s XMMS 1.2.8 from here (mirror). Also, here are four screenshots:First, second, third, fourth.
General impressions are positive for Fedora, it is a more polished OS than previous versions, at least visually.
Cool stuff: faster overall, metacity is faster too, the mouse code has being reworked and it gives a great smooth feeling on X. More polished UI.
Big downers: Samba 3 still doesn’t work for me via Konqueror or Nautilus (smb-client command line tool kinda works better), because it insists on connecting on my VMWare’s virtual IP address of 10.0.0.19 instead of my XP’s real 10.0.0.10 IP on my home network (even when I do “smb://10.0.0.10”). It manages to connect once every 10-15 efforts (and asks for my password a zillion times, for a shared folder that does not require a password) and even then I can’t do anything with the files. Mac OS X, Slackware and… Lindows don’t exhibit the problem connecting to that machine.
Overall, Fedora worths your attention.
Update: XMMS skips when playing music files via the net (radio) when I open a new nautilus window or navigating through directories, or when loading a new web page. Pretty poor multimedia performance if I may say so. Machine is an AthlonXP 1600+ with 256 MB RAM and DMA is on for all drives.
Hi Eugenia,
Does the bluetooth file sharing work? Is there a configuration program or do you have to manually edit the conf files to get it working? I tried Fedora 0.95, but there were so many things broken that I decided to go back to Debian unstable;) Does the Install/Remove Apps work again?
>Does the bluetooth file sharing work?
No idea, I don’t have a bluetooth device. Except my 12″ Powerbook at least which comes with it.
>Is there a configuration program or do you have to manually edit the conf files to get it working?
It is the same as in the beta you tried.
>Does the Install/Remove Apps work again?
Yes, because they reverted to the older version of the app (the one that doesn’t have menus).
i’m not very impressed by redhat 9 and now fedoras look and feel. i used rh9 for a longer time and it’s just not right (compared to win 2000 for example). everythings to big, to blurry, to round, hard to say what’s exactly wrong.
I like the colours in the screenshots, so wondering if the colours are default?
It is BlueCurve-Gnome colors I think. It is included in the package.
I Agree.
Is it only me who finds the CRISP non-blurred fonts that Microsoft has had since Windows 95, the most readable? IMHO, I think because X has no intelligent way of aligning fonts to the pixel (turn OFF anti-alisaing and laugh), developers have decided to blur the shit out of them, so they all look like Verdana 12px bold instead.
Hurrah for ‘Unix Usability’. Also known as an oxymoron.
Not forgetting the fact Gnome is a POS. Why not some decent KDE screenshots please?
>Why not some decent KDE screenshots please?
Cause that was the default. I didn’t have any reason to switch DEs, gnome worked fine with Fedora and so I directed the shots on it. Besides, I only have the distro installed for two hours, because of the coaster fiasco and so I didn’t have time to write more about the OS or get more shots.
After playing with settings for about 2 1/2 minutes, I was extremely satisfied with the way it looks. The default theme isn’t spectacular, but that’s just about my only negative comment. I guess if you don’t like Gnome you don’t like Gnome.
To me, Fedora seems quite polished. With the single exception of the default theme (which wasn’t all _that_ bad), it’s the best-looking default-installed Linux desktop I’ve seen.
really, i love my windows 98 GUI and i’m using linux since 96 as a server (debian 1.3 or eralier), but i’m still not convinced by the linux GUIs (too many, too different, not consistent). old discussion…
Is mp3 support back in Fedora or is it still left out.
Fedora is not a real redhat so i think they can include it back in .
Nope, no mp3 support.
Where’s the article?
Does this person know what blurring is. Has he ever looked at OSX fonts. Why should the windows way of doing it suddenly be correct.
You can control the anti-aliasing anyway if you wish to.
I quite like it the way it is. Very readable if you have good fonts. The fonts lok more like they do on paper. generally thicker than Tahoma which is what Microsoft uses on the Desktop by default.
fedora still doesn’t include some applications that can cause them trouble, but those packages are moved to a little darker corner on the net.
They are still retaining compatibility with the fedora.us packages and always worked fine for my RH9 install
http://rpm.livna.org/
“According to fedora.us, the merger between Fedora.us and Red Hat
necessitated the removal of certain problematic packages (including
but not limited to mplayer, xine, videolan-client and xmms-mp3) due to
licensing issues.
rpm.livna.org repositories contain those packages, and are apt/yum
enabled.”
Any chance of a PPC port? (and yes, I’m aware of YDL, but I want the hat, dammit)
Click on “read more.”
i still don’t see the alsa volume control
does this mean they are still using OSS, or are they using the gnome volume control to control alsa channels?
yes they are still using OSS. Release 2 will be kernel 2.6 and ALSA based, so there is no point making an ALSA based distro at this point really; the work involved cannot be justified for a small number of users who wish to play with sound drivers.
get the rpms for it
the fonts are blurred, yes, that’s called anti-alias
it works quite ok at those large sizes (IHMO), eugenia has chosen quite large text.
however, at small sizes you need crisp bitmap-fonts, bc. i’ve never seen a small anti-aliased font that isn’t a pain in the eyes compared to a handtuned bitmap.
but i like the colors…
The thing I love about Redhat is it has always been good with my devices. I used another distro and had blurry fonts & I finally found out it didn’t pick up my monitor. So as soon as the distro hits Australia I’m buying it & not changing distros again. Does any one know if/when they will be bringing out a AMD64 specific distro?
I think they are reworking how xft works in the future.
I can’t remember where I read it but basically small fonts won’t be anti-aliased (will look like win98). Currently without anti-aliasing the small fonts have a jaggedness to them. The larger fonts I think 12 and above will have anti-aliasing on fulltime so that they don’t look jagged.
If anyone knows more details about this please post.
Fedora isn’t going to hit anywhere. It isn’t being sold in stores, or at all for that matter, as far as I know. You’ll have to download it or find someone else to download it for you.
As far as their attitudes toward various architechtures, I think one of the faqs at http://fedora.redhat.com said something about it; don’t remember exactly but it sounded very non-commital.
Jim there is no redhat to go back to. Fedora is basically redhat 9.x
The only redhat distro that exists now is the enterprise one, which you can download but has no free support. Also the packages are too outdated for the desktop, because it is primarily a server OS.
I am personally supposed that The RedHat Logo on Start Menu and on some splashes should be substituted by a Fedora logo in the next version instead. RedHat logo is for its trademark, fedora core (a community project)needs to have something unrelated with redhat logo trademark (though redhat company as a back-end to sponsor project.
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Yes, the anti-aliasing in Red Hat distros is really overdone. Windows 2000 doesn’t even have anti-aliasing so is crap by default. XP is well known for its nice font aliasing, but I haven’t checked it out. What I do can say is that the anti-aliasing in MacOS X is perfect: not too blurry, not too sharp. It doesn’t anti-alias under pt8 I think.
maybe it could have a <gasp> gnome foot?
Windows 2000 doesn’t even have anti-aliasing so is crap by default.
What? Windows has had anti-aliasing at least since win95. It’s simply isn’t used for small font sizes. And the font rendering has always been better than linux’s. Turn off the blurring in Linux and you will want to tear your eyes out.
That said, I quite like the font appearance in Suse 9 but why do they have to be XOBX huge by default?
Doesn’t suse and redhat use exactly the same font renderer. I think you people are making things up. The only difference may be the bytecode interpreter that is part of configuring fontconfig. eg. I know that Redhat is bytecode interpreter is on, and Debian and Slackware is off.
When it is off white text on a black background is usually hard to read. But on a lighter background it looks okay.
well I know you are probably to object my thought (cuz’ you have many choices to get FC1 except for buying 3 CD of FC1 from a Linux retail shop (download or duplicate from your friends as a example).
however, as I known, many still do not have a fast internet to download FC1 and friends of his/hers only glue with MSwindows. They r down to street to buy FC1. A Linux retail shop in Australia (hidden name pls) changes the price of FC1 (3CDs) day by day. Few days ago, I pre-ordered it online, the price of FC1 was AUS$10 only (plus $2.20 for shipping national wide). Yesterday I checked back and saw the price of it was $15 AUS. Now it is up to $25 ( if plus $2.20 for shipping = $27.5). This proves that there are many ordering FC1, and they never give up a big chance like that.
Meanwhile, there are still a lot of OS voluntary developers that spend their whole night to code and debug OS programs ( of course for OS love only).
So, a double-edges sword will be a big debate on IT development. Though it is not a new topic but, somehow it makes me to think a future of free software vs. proprietary software.//end
Are the 3 binary CDs needed to install Fedora, or is it possible to boot with the first CD and do a net install ?
Given that the red hat on the menu is acyually a fedora, I think it fits fine. I believe that hat is not a redhat trademark.
Yes, there are bad CDs. I’ve bought spools of CDs so crappy that a third of them wouldn’t burn in ANY burner. And yes, I tried them in several. Furthermore, of the ones that worked initially, several of them degraded and stopped working within about four months, even though they’d been kept in an undisturbed box in a dark, room-temperature closet.
Buying ultra-cheap CD-Rs is risky. My suggestion: find deals on decent name brands. It’s a mistake I won’t be making again.
on my mandrake box the fonts < 12 points are not Anti aliased. I use MS fonts with the freetype2 byte code turned on. I use verdana as my default font. Sorry to say so but they look as good in linux as they do on my win 2000 box!
Thanks for the tips. I’ll end up buying the Fedora/Redhat copied iso copies from my Linux store. I know its silly but I still like looking at a packaged product instead of burnt cd’s. I’ve never used a disto support packages, but I can’t understand why distro can’t just charge more & give me the option of buying something in a shiny package. Now I’ll be buying something that puts no money back into the Linux/Gnu community. Personly I don’t think its good for distro’s when they only start offering burnt copies. What I mean is what is that saying about Linux/Gnu becoming a genuine desktop for home/small bussinesses? Thanks Jim
I think the Linux Fonts are much better than Windows XP … here is Fedora Core Mozilla on OSNEWS and the exact same page in IE6 on Windows XP …
http://www.hughesjr.com/osnews_linux.png
http://www.hughesjr.com/osnews_windows.png
I think that the Linux fonts are MUCH clearer and cleaner than the Windows fonts … maybe it’s jst me!
got the iso’s last night took half an hour to download them all the mirrors don’t have it yet.
I have a question
Is it possible to upgrade from RH9 to Fedora core1 using the iso supplied and will all the programs and settings i installed remain there (mainly mp3 support,network card drivers etc).
please help.
I have tried Suse, Mandrake , RH9 and Rh9 had the most proffesional looking desktop not too shiny just right.
try turning cleartipe on in winxp(display, appearance, effects i think), will make the font more like the one in linux.
Maybe it’s me but i never liked that kind type of font.
Hi all,
I want fedora on my drive, but….
The link on fedora site does not work, and the
mirrors I have found have duplicated the directory structure
that comes from the merge of the three CDs.
No iso there….. Am I missing something ?
Anyway looks good…. If only I could find the ISOs..
– Thanks
– Regards
– Pasha
In your picture it seems that Windows XP did not have ClearType option turned on, while Fedora goes out with Anti-Aliasing already turned on. That’s not fair for Windows XP.
I like Fedora, but this comparison wasn’t fair 🙂
http://ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linu…
I found them here with a good download speed.
There was a typo:
ftp://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/fedora/linux/core…
Is there any kind of package management system in this OS? I always liked using RHN to update my distro. I dont know if I have the patience to keep track of all the app upgrades I need and install them. 🙁
Any info would be appreciated.
People feeling uncomfortable with the default settings for the fonts in Fedora should visit the font adjustment option in the Fedora default desktop (Gnome, i guess) settings. There you can adjust AA to your hearts content or simply turn it off. *shrug*
Fedora is a trademark of Red Hat, Inc. and Red Hat retains editorial control over the project. The “community” is currently more or less Red Hat itself, at least for the time being. Red Hat decides who participates and who does not.
First time I’ve used bittorrent for download. Kept my interface pinned at max download speed. Really fast and surprisingly simple. See: http://torrent.dulug.duke.edu/
Anyone looking for a nice bittorrent downloader: http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/
I am thankful(?!?) – see screenshot 2 – that I’m not the only person who gets error msgs when attempting to configure Fedora network. I am downloading Core 1 as I type. Test 3 adamantly refused to recognize the Windows network to which my box is connected. “Could not find any workgroup on this network.” Rubbish! RH9 had (mostly) no problem, SuSE 9.0 Pro connected like a dream. But I sold my new SuSE 9.0 Pro bc it would not work with my laptop’s monitor well at all – the main but fatal problem I had therewith. Is the problem Samba 3? KDE 3.1? How does one browse a Windows network from Fedora 1 Core?!?
Other than that I thought Fedora test 3 was beautiful. Can’t wait for RPM’s to become increasingly avail.
I believe so… I heard some rumbling about that on the fedora mailing lists. I dont have a Mac so I didn’t really follow it.
it crashes. was 3.3 built before Panther came out?
I had to boot my XP box to do the download
oh, also, I was wondering, what is everyone else getting? I get about 44 down, is that just because the people got what they wanted and are now getting off the network?
“I think that the Linux fonts are MUCH clearer and cleaner than the Windows fonts … maybe it’s jst me!”
It’s just you!
Maybe it’s because I have to stare at a Windows all day but I much rather prefer Windows fonts.
The only real problem i have with linux fonts is the quality of the fonts that ship with linux. Ill admit it, i just like verdana 😉 thanks to ms, the corefonts can now be used freely, so long as you have a liscence to any version of windows. i have to say, with the same fonts available, they look extremely similar on linux and windows.
” Hurrah for ‘Unix Usability’. Also known as an oxymoron. ”
Hurrah for OS news posters who are here for anything other than toting their personal pet operating systems. Also known as non existant.
OK, I feel like I’m entering a flame but I’ll bite. A while back around RH 7.3 I would have agreed, Linux font rendering painfully sucked. 8.0 was a huge improvement, but yes I can see how people will find them too blurry. Well, now I’m using Slackware 9.1. At first, I almost found the fonts too crisp or something. But now, I find them to just be masterful and a joy to look at. Writing something in vi in gnome-terminal is really a joy, and web pages in epiphany (or mozilla for that matter) are just beautiful (unless the page is crap anyway, but that’s another matter). It’s been a while now since I’ve regularly used Windows on a regular basis, but I recently had occasion to fire up 2k and go on the web. I couldn’t believe it. I had thought that those crappy, jagged, UGLY things where great fonts way back when! It was almost painful to look at. At any rate, rant out.
Now as to Fedora, I’ve been using test release 3 on one of my boxes at work. Not bad, though I have faced a problem with the RPM database corrupting itself on me. (I’ve seen the same thing is RH, but this occured very soon after deployment.) Oh yeah, and yes you can replace the hat with a foot, if that makes any of you happier 😉
Eugenia,
In the 3rd screenshot you have a screenshot of OSNews with
Book Review …. as the most current news item (posted at 5:53:26 by you) yet this news item came before it?
She went back in the time space continum after she took the pictures. She got so delayed with the downloading and burning that she went back in time so that the review will be posted up earlier.
“Why cant I play with the fabrice of exsistance?”
-Lisa Simpson
You can try it yourself with Mozillafirebird.
There are two versions available:
one without aliasing and gtk and one for gtk2 and xft…
the first version is renders faster and displays difficult sites better…
I feel that RedHat is going to continue to support this, but they want to split the products and make the brandname “RedHat” more business oriented for enterprises. I think this was a wise move because they no longer have to give as much money to developers to support soemthing they make no money off from. And now everybody can improve Fedora not just RedHat developers.
I like the way that this whole RedHat thing is shapping up to.
I thought I was the only person in the world to have a clear preference for Verdana – now I know, I’m not alone!
Regarding Fedora Core 1: is it possible to install it without KDE, and THEN add KDE, at a later stage? I never managed to do that with RedHat or RHAS.
Can’t seem to get the top-of-the-screen menubar panel with the rounded corners with Fedora? What gives?
“Anyone looking for a nice bittorrent downloader: http://gnome-bt.sourceforge.net/“
Nice! Ive been trying to find a decent frontend for bittorrent for months. For some reason I couldg get wxpython to work and have been stuck using the cli.
Turning on cleartype will not help those shots. I can see how you are confused, cleartype is a very bad name for what it is. Cleartype is sub pixel anti-aliasing. Very good for lcds, but worse for crts. If you turn it on when you are using a crt you get a multicolored blur around your text.
It works by using the fact that the red/green/blue sub pixels are in a know order. When you are running at an lcd’s natural resolution each pixel is made up of just those three colored pixels. So this is taken advantage of by the anti-aliasing engine by choosing colors instead of shades of grey. This causes parts of the pixel to be lit up more than others makin gthe text look sharper.
A better name would have been lcd anti-aliasing. Windows xp, gnome 2.4, kde 3.1, and osx panther all can do sub pixel anti-aliasing.
Also I have to say I prefer the vera fonts. I use them on both my windows boxes and linux boxes.
Technically Fedora Core 1 is the best Linux distro I’ve ever used and I’ve used most of them. It’s RH9++ with newer packages and a new good package manger (yum). Everything feels very polished, the defaults are sane, the graphical boot is cool etc. Altough Red Hat might not at the moment be interested in the desktop, I can see myself recommending something like this to almost anyone soon (not quite yet though, but give it a year or so…).
But marketing wise Red Hat really shot themselves in the foot with Fedora. There’s been a large backlash against RH for Fedora, partly unfounded IMO. They could have handled it much better. In reality, if you’re the kind of person who upgrades at every new release, Fedora will be nothing new. If you don’t want to/can’t upgrade you might want to look into alternatives. However, if moving from Fedora 1 to 2 will be as easy an “yum dist-upgrade”, even the short lifetime cycles won’t be a problem, but that remains to be seen.
“IMHO, I think because X has no intelligent way of aligning fonts to the pixel”
Actually, X is perfectly capable of doing this through FreeType. Truetype fonts contain bytecodes that tell the font renderer how to hint the fonts. FreeType is perfectly capable of interpreting these bytecodes.
BUT (you knew there had to be a “but” didn’t you?), Apple has patented the mathematics necessary to interpret the bytecodes, so the bytecode interpreter in FreeType is turned off by default.
See for yourself. Recompile FreeType with the bytecode interpreter on, and then turn off the antialiasing. The fonts should look just as they do in Windows, crisp and well-hinted. Unfortunately, if you do that in the U.S., you’ll be breaking the law.
“I know that Redhat is[sic] bytecode interpreter is on, and Debian and Slackware is off.”
No, actually. In Red Hat it’s disabled. It had been enabled in Debian (and may be still, I don’t know). In Slackware 9.0, it was enabled.
There is also a QT-based bittorrent client available:
http://turbobt.sourceforge.net/indexen.html
I haven’t tried it yet though…
There is also a QT-based bittorrent client available:
Never mind. It’s made with QT but it’s for Windows…
“Recompile FreeType with the bytecode interpreter on, and then turn off the antialiasing. The fonts should look just as they do in Windows, crisp and well-hinted.”
Interestingly, the FreeType project now claims that you can recieve better results with the http://www.freetype.org/freetype2/2.1.3-explained.html#bytecode“>… . I used to recompile FreeType, but these days I just don’t bother anymore. In my opinion, it’s more important to have a good configuration for freetype so it uses the hinter only for specific fonts and sizes. Sane configurations should be provided by the distro out of the box.
ClearType in Windows is turned off by default on Windows, which means by default, Red Hat’s font support is better than Windows.
They suggest turning the bytecode interpreter off for anti-aliased fonts. The original poster suggested turning it on for non-AA fonts.
Its now graphical. If you have a largish hard drive, you do not have to burn. CDs are cheap anyway though. But no hassles here. Just need a floppy, do a rawrite with the floppy image provided and you just press enter at the prompt at boot up. Its faster too coz hard drive is faster. Have to know exactly where your isos are though.
Is there some one who looked if KDeveloppe is in this distribution (and if it works !)
thanks
Can’t seem to get the top-of-the-screen menubar panel with the rounded corners with Fedora? What gives?
It’s not possible in any GNOME 2.4.0. So it’s not Fedora specific.
Is there going to be a migration path from RedHat 9 to fedora at some point? My parents use RedHat 9, and I would hate to leave them hanging.
Can’t seem to get the top-of-the-screen menubar panel with the rounded corners with Fedora? What gives?
There are no rounded corners for the panels in Gnome 2.4 – I don’t even recall now whether any of the stock Gnome 2.x releases had round corners, or if it was just a Ximian thing. There are also no more special panel types, such as the menubar panel. To create a top menu panel, right-click on the bottom panel, choose “New Panel”, and a new one should appear at the top of the screen. Adjust its size to 24px, then click Add to panel -> Menu Bar. The menu bar applet is no longer locked to the left of the panel, so you can move it wherever you want it.
I think that is the first (binary) distribution to be delivered prelinked and also having prelink in the cron job. For all who always wondered if RedHat would do something from which KDE benefices more than GNOME. 🙂
More screenshots availible at http://projects.tuxed.net/fedora/
@Hornsby:
The setup program will detect any existing RedHat installations and offer to upgrade them to Fedora.
The fonts look a bit blurry. The vertical lines aren’t aligned on the pixel boundaries, giving the letters a look like a fast car being photographed. The serif-fonts of Mozilla also don’t look very well.
As by fonts (Bitstream/FreeBSD) look wonderful. Have they chosen another, less readable font, or has Algorithm X been disabled for because it violates license Y or patent Z?
The recommended setup is as follows:
1) If you prefer non-anti-aliased text, turn on the bytecode interpreter, and use well-hinted fonts.
2) If you prefer anti-aliased text, turn off the bytecode interpreter. This is because the auto-hinter is optimized for anti-aliased output, and the results don’t look too great without the extra perceptual resolution offered by the anti-aliasing. Also, your font choices don’t matter a great deal with the auto-hinter, but some fonts look better with it than others. In particular, Vera is specially tuned for auto-hinted rendering.
Overall, your font rendering should be comparable to Windows. For non-anti-aliased text (with the bytecode hinter turned on) the results should be pixel-for-pixel identical with the Windows renderer. For anti-aliased text, its a matter of preference. I find the Cleartype renderer to be too severe, trading too much accuracy of the glyph shapes for minor gains in contrast. On higher resolution displays, Freetype looks better, while on lower resolutions, Cleartype looks better. Of course, in the latter case, most people prefer to turn of anti-aliasing anyway.
PS> If you are dissatisfied with the quality of the fonts in your distro, first, make sure to download the MS Core Fonts and the Bitstream Vera fonts. If you still have problems, then do yourself a favor and download the source directly from freetype’s ftp site. There is an unstable directory with a file ‘freetype2-current.tar.gz’. This is the latest CVS snapshot of the renderer. This tree will have the TT hinter off by default, so if you want it, enable it. You really shouldn’t have to do this, but some distros ship with really crappy custom patches for freetype.
I would tend to disagree about Windows fonts being preferable. I’ve always really dug the fonts in Linux (well, ever since the implementation of freetype which kinda blew me away), especially with RedHat who has made fantastic strides in the areas of font rendering. And so do those good folk at Apple, as the renderers bear striking similarity. Windows fonts are quite readable, yes, but to me so are AA fonts. Windows fonts get the job done, but fonts on Unix are actually pleasing to look at. I really dig the AA shape of Sans-based fonts. To me it’s like comparing a bowl of white rice to seafood alfredo. Both get the job done, but one is actively enjoyable.
As for bluecurve…I hated it for a really really long time. I still strongly dislike the default setup with the massive panel at the bottom and huge launchers everywhere, but that can be changed. I find bluecurve 2 to be a vast improvement. Metacity looks fantastic, the widget set is acceptable, and the icon set is beautiful and complete (you get support for epiphany and nautilus too…plus they finally put in a decent spinner). It’s not sexy like Aqua, it doesn’t have bright colours like Luna, and it’s not rigidly simplistic like old Win32. However, it does have its charm and it does convey the feel of a professional desktop.
I’ve successfully downloaded ISO’s 1 and 2 but downloading the third (yarrow-i386-disc3.iso) is being a bitch, it says login request denied. Help.
here they are
cheers
anyweb
http://anyweb.kicks-ass.net/linux/fedora/yarrow/index.html
big thanks to Douglas for hosting them
cheers
anyweb
Yes, it should be possible. Just do manual package selection during the install, and de-select all the KDE packages. Once it is installed, there’s an “add/remove applications” or somesuch option under the system tools or settings menu; that *should* (I’m not vouching for anything) allow you to install software from the CDs; or you could try installing it from apt or yum.
Use bittorrent. It really works. Fantastically well.
BalcCat, I don’t think Fedora represents a marketing mistake by RedHat. I think they’ve concluded that there is no market for desktop Linux apart from the enterprise. For myself, I think they’re right.
yes, BitTorrent does work geat.
2 hours to get all 3 Iso files…not bad.
I think the system looks fantastic…..better than any other other Linux I have seen. Nice!
When I try bitorrent, it just seems to upload instead of download. I don’t get over 2k very much when downloading and I am on dsl. Is there something else to this or is it just slow for some people?
Are there any other sites where I can download Fedora from?
“ClearType in Windows is turned off by default on Windows, which means by default, Red Hat’s font support is better than Windows. ”
Huh?? Turning on cleartype fonts in XP makes the fonts look like crap on a CRT, as someone else metioned here. That’s why they’re left off by default. Not everyone owns an lcd display.
BalcCat, I don’t think Fedora represents a marketing mistake by RedHat. I think they’ve concluded that there is no market for desktop Linux apart from the enterprise. For myself, I think they’re right.
I do too. Example….what percentage of people on this thread paid for the version of Linux they’re running? What percentage of people paid for StarOffice instead of running OpenOffice?
> In the 3rd screenshot you have a screenshot of OSNews with Book Review …. as the most current news item (posted at 5:53:26 by you) yet this news item came before it?
We sort our articles per time/date and so if you modify in the database its time, you can get an article to show up or down than another one. We have a policy to let “original” articles (the ones in the red headlines) running 6-8 hours as first articles, and so if we need to add another article, we have to put it underneath it.
make sure you have the recommended ports available to bittorrent.
other than that, there should be enough people on that torrent to allow for upwards of 200 kb/s downloads….just let it run, it took me half an hour to get up to 50 kb/s and after that it fluctuated between 70 and 200.
I hit 320kbs with bittorrent 😀
I can never go above 103 KB/sec with Bittorrent, and I DO have port forwarding enabled on my NAT router so my PC can download it faster behind the firewall. The reason for this is because my Comcast ISP does not give me more than 25 KB/sec upload time, and Bittorent is basing its speed on how much you can upload, not just to as much you can download (generally, max download for me is 211 KB/sec, it used to be 256 KB/sec but Comcast downed it a few months ago
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And btw, another reason why I was so late with my red hat installation yesterday was because I downloaded the first CD with Bittorrent and it was freaking corrupted (in the past I didn’t have corruption problems with Torrent). And so I downloaded all 3 CDs later with GetRight and everything went fine and their md5 was fine too (except the coasters later because of that damned CD-R brand
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Speak about luck…
> Is the problem Samba 3? KDE 3.1? How does one browse a Windows network from Fedora 1 Core?!?
It is the way Red Hat configures its Samba modules. Other linux distros do not have the problem I described. It happens with both Samba 2.x and 3. YellowDogLinux also has the exact same problem, because it is Red Hat-based.
When I select some new apps to be installed and hit update it tells me to enter the cd, I put it in, little blue bar moves, rpm filename shows up and then ERROR installing packages, and nothing ever gets added.
This release sucks in my opinion.
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I can’t go online.
I tried it now 2 – 3 hours but it won’t work… 🙁
Any suggestions?
My Provider is T-Online, Germany
And for Fedora. It’s really very nice! Only 3 complains: No mp3 support by default and no ntfs reading, and my Fat32 Partition is not in Fstab listed…….
Is the kernel2.6 included? If yes, how to install it?
Thanks
It’s not that bad. I just finished a clean install on my system. I only have two quirks though. The first one is that Fedora uses only the GRUB boot loader. LILO never comes with it and if so it’s an older version. Second, some of my source code that I use with RH9 has some compiling problems under Fedora. For that all I had to do was adjust some headers in my code and it went well.
Alright, Fedora is installed… now, how do i get my wireless adapter to connect with my network, i have the DNS numbers, what else would i need to go about connecting. Sorry, i’m a ‘nux-noob, not too familiar with this OS.
Here is the wireless Redhat connection link.
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/…
Here is the DSL Redhat networking link.
http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-9-Manual/custom-guide/…
These are both from the Redhat documentation for RH9 but should still apply.
I just upgraded to Mandrake 9.2 and everything is a really nice desktop. I’d hate to blow that away, and I’ve been giving away all of my legacy boxen to the little people who need to learn Linux. So, I have only this host and my TiBook (and a couple SPARCs).
Does Fedora offer anything that the newest Mandrake doesn’t?