http://www.osnews.com/story/16219/Vista_Office_2007_To_Launch_Last_Week_of_November Exploring the Future of Computing en-us Copyright 2001-2009, David Adams adam+nospam@osnews.com Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:24:10 GMT http://www.osnews.com/images/osnews.gif http://www.osnews.com http://osnews.com/thread?172765 http://osnews.com/thread?172765 Thats like SOOOOO SOON - like in a month .

But that would mean there would not be an "unexpected" delay

Im looking forward to it - Im curious Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:33:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (poohgee) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172773 http://osnews.com/thread?172773 Hmm, considering the likely retail prices of Vista + Office 2007, one could buy a sweet assed new computer system for the same cost as these two bloated behemoths. Oh wait, considering the minimum system requirements, you'll have to buy that sweet assed new computer system anyway. Thanks, but no thanks Microsoft. You can keep these as well as your draconian new EULA. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:52:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cmost) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172774 http://osnews.com/thread?172774 You are not allowed to use Vista Home verions in VMs, did you already know that? (VMs = Parallels, VMWare Worktstation, and maybe Apple BootCamp) Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:53:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (SK8T) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172775 http://osnews.com/thread?172775 the faster it can be cracked. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Anonymo) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172776 http://osnews.com/thread?172776 and maybe Apple BootCamp)

That'd be like saying you can't use Windows Vista with GRUB. Boot Camp is not a virtualisation solution; it's just a glorified bootloader and a bunch of Apple-provided Windows drivers for the hardware. Nothing more.Edited 2006-10-18 17:55 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:55:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Thom_Holwerda) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172780 http://osnews.com/thread?172780 >> You are not allowed to use Vista Home verions in VMs, did you already know that? (VMs = Parallels, VMWare Worktstation, and maybe Apple BootCamp)

BootCamp is not a VM.

Also, you may use Vista Home in a VM. You just need to buy a lisence dedicated for that VM. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 17:59:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (mcduck) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172782 http://osnews.com/thread?172782 and we'll continue to hear people like you complain tirelessly. Or is it just the usual OSS fundies trolling? Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:05:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ronaldst) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172783 http://osnews.com/thread?172783 They're late already. Windows XP final was leaked and cracked 64 days before launch. Microsoft are running much closer to their deadline this time; much closer. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Kroc) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172784 http://osnews.com/thread?172784 That "draconian new EULA" isn't new.

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_licensing.asp Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DittoBox) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172785 http://osnews.com/thread?172785 Even better when it is out, people will stop moaning about Vista and Office being late and moan about something else! Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (tonywob) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172789 http://osnews.com/thread?172789 "and we'll continue to hear people like you complain tirelessly. Or is it just the usual OSS fundies trolling? "

Not complaining. I don't use Windows or Office (I guess that does make me an OSS troll,) so I don't care. I just find it incredulous that people are willing to spend so much money, and perform otherwise unnecessary hardware upgrades, just to get an OS that's essentially XP in new clothes (and off its diet) and an office suite that adds features that most people won't ever use! Ask most people what they use Office for, and you'll find that most haven't even scratched the surface of the available feature set. I guess those with the mindset of "keeping up with the Joneses" will be in all their glory on release day, regardless of common sense which says to let these two pass. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:18:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cmost) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172793 http://osnews.com/thread?172793 Its about time. I've been waiting for a final release date for a while now. The betas and RC's that I have tried I liked even if it was against popular opinion. Yes, I'll be one of those people upgrading hardware and upgrading to Vista, but thats mostly because my current computer needs an upgrade badly anyway. Here's to seeing the many many reviews on Vista's final release. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (TaterSalad) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172794 http://osnews.com/thread?172794 Bla bla bla...
Like you would buy these products at retail prices anyway. If you wanted to pay them, you'd probably go for the OEM. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Marcellus) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172795 http://osnews.com/thread?172795 You're not allowed to use one Vista Home license in a VM if the same Vista Home license is already in use on a licensed device.
There's nothing that prevents you from making the VM a licensed device, and as far as I can recall, previous licenses haven't allowed you to use the same license on more than one device at a time either, but the Vista license contains language to make it clearer what is allowed and what is not. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:40:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Marcellus) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172796 http://osnews.com/thread?172796 If you don't use all the features that Office offers, you could always get something simpler like MS Works, or something that likes to pretend to compete like OOo/SO. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:43:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Marcellus) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172797 http://osnews.com/thread?172797 @cmost

I don't use Windows or Office...

Yes, you are complaining. I've been playing with Vista for about a week. And even thought the prophets of doom have been at it for a while, it's going to be a solid upgrade well worth the money for Windows users.

I just love the thing they did to the fonts. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 18:44:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ronaldst) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172805 http://osnews.com/thread?172805 "I just love the thing they did to the fonts."

New fonts, bundled with Vista....wait 'til the EU uncovers this new development. Personally I'm holding out for the cool desktop icons and mouse pointers.

;)Edited 2006-10-18 19:13 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:00:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (ctl_alt_del) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172813 http://osnews.com/thread?172813 I just love the thing they did to the fonts.

What exactly did they do to the fonts?

I'm not trolling, I'm seriously interested... Do you happen to know any urls with examples? Screenshots? Font samples? Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:37:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (lemmy) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172814 http://osnews.com/thread?172814 and here it is only 2006, who says ms can't deliver on time? Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:38:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Sphinx) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172822 http://osnews.com/thread?172822 Has RC2 been released to the public at all, or just to MSDN subscribers? Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:15:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (nicholas) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172828 http://osnews.com/thread?172828 http://neosmart.net/blog/archives/182

Added new fonts, apparently. And improved Cleartype font rendering

http://www.poynter.org/column.asp?id=47&aid=78683 Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:26:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DigitalAxis) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172829 http://osnews.com/thread?172829 "I just love the thing they did to the fonts...."

I know, aren't they great? They were leaked to the Internet several months ago and they look fabulous on my XP and Ubuntu boxes. Unfortunately, fonts are not a compelling reason to lay out so much cash. Sorry. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cmost) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172830 http://osnews.com/thread?172830 "Also, you may use Vista Home in a VM. You just need to buy a lisence dedicated for that VM."

There are no licenses available which can be bound to anything else then physical hardware.

If you disagree, please show me a link to one. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:31:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ford Prefect) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172831 http://osnews.com/thread?172831 http://osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=16219&comment_id=172830

Same goes for you. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:34:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ford Prefect) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172832 http://osnews.com/thread?172832 RC2 was a limited release in terms of numbers rather than in terms of audience; i.e., Microsoft made it available for a certain number of downloads. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (eMagius) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172836 http://osnews.com/thread?172836 Troll about ANYTHING else regarding Vista but DON'T say Vista is "XP with new clothes on"

It shows how misinformed you are on the subject. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 20:54:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Nelson) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172848 http://osnews.com/thread?172848 "There are no licenses available which can be bound to anything else then physical hardware."

http://download.microsoft.com/documents/useterms/Windows%20Vist...

One for starters. All the Vista licenses say is that if the Software is installed on a computer, then the same software can not be installed in a vm. Except in the case of Ultimate where you can use the same license that is installed on the machine in a VM as well. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:35:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (DrillSgt) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172860 http://osnews.com/thread?172860 let's see:

"2. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS. Before you use the software under a license, you must assign
that license to one device (physical hardware system). That device is the "licensed device." A
hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate device."

Ok, so the "device" has to be real hardware. Next:

"You may not use the software installed on the
licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system."

So, wether I would install it inside the VM or outside, it would be installed on this particular device. So I would no t be allowed to use a VM. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:57:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ford Prefect) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172881 http://osnews.com/thread?172881 @Ford Prefect

You're just reading it the way you want to. It clearly doesn't say what your suggesting. Read it again. And again. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:30:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (PJBonoVox) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?172888 http://osnews.com/thread?172888 I read it several times. I don't care about VMs anyway. But I'm sorry, there is written you aren't allowed to use the software installed inside a VM. There is not written that usage in a VM would be exclusively. Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:39:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (Ford Prefect) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?173032 http://osnews.com/thread?173032 Pretend to compete? You really don't understand open source.

OOo offers an office suite that's in continuous and faster development than Office/Office System. And they don't charge a single cent to boot, plus it's freely modifiable.

It competes if it's offering a commercial product (paid, adware, whatever), which they don't.

The only reason they care about compatibility with Office documents is that there are people who'd want to switch. Providing support for existing file types does not equate to competition all the time. Thu, 19 Oct 2006 13:20:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (vinzer) Comments http://osnews.com/thread?173039 http://osnews.com/thread?173039 "Troll about ANYTHING else regarding Vista but DON'T say Vista is "XP with new clothes on"

It shows how misinformed you are on the subject."

Whatever you say bud. I've been following Vista since its inception YEARS ago. I've watched as one innovative feature after the other was jetisoned from the project. Now, all we really have left is improved user account security, Aero glass (which isn't even avalable unless you opt for one of the premo packages) and the bundling of Windows Tablet and Windows Media Center into the OS. Oh, and a new and "improved" DRM ridden Media Player. Get real. There's nothing noteworthy here. Thu, 19 Oct 2006 14:08:00 GMT donotreply@osnews.com (cmost) Comments