Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 28th Mar 2006 21:49 UTC
OpenBSD "Theo de Raadt is the project leader for OpenBSD, a Unix-like operating system. We spoke with Theo about the upcoming release of OpenBSD, 3.9, the financial state of the project, and about companies that profit from free software without contributing back."
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RE[2]: I read the interview
by Angel--Fr@gzill@ on Wed 29th Mar 2006 05:39 UTC in reply to "RE: I read the interview"
Angel--Fr@gzill@
Member since:
2005-12-23

!!!

As much as I love all the BSD distros and think they are solid, quick and good, I have to say that I have to disagree with they kind of Philosophy and licence model.

I also do not understand that others post claiming similar views are quickly accused of trolling by the BSD zealots... Sure there are GNU zealots, but if they prove their views with logic and empiric demostrations, why they should not do it?

The zealots of the explotation, the greed, the ultracompetitive social and economic models do not need troll too much, they simply are in power, and take what they need, and I you give it easy, so much the better...

Pretending that companies are going to contribute just because they are using what you relase for free based on good will is having too much confidence in the humang being...

And also ignoring some basic facts of economics (specially the neoliberal US and anglosaxon model), psicology, sociology, history, philosophy, and even biology and how life on earth was developed and the extrapolation of ecological niches and competition with/to the social and economic organisations...

I respect Mr. de Raat, and all the people making BSD distros, but I can not agree with thei philosophy and licence.
I would recommend the lecture of some basic text of Thomas Moore(Utopia), or Nieztche to start with...

I am not saying that they should change to the GPL licence model, it is their right not to do so, but I am afraid that many of their efforts will be fruitless.

Most companies will keep on using their soft without contributing, or contributing back, but just until they do not need it anymore. I wish I was wrong, though!

At the end the BSD model is empowering the people with their software, and many companies in which there are people with moral patterns of behaviour, but also empowering all the companies and people that do not give a damn about all that, and just take what is convenient for them and simply go away (at best, or simply use what you give to f**k you up)...

The problem is that the later kind of people and companies are already powerfull, and I do not see the reason to empower them even more. They will never contribute back, and they will use what you give them to own you, and to surender and dominate you...

Each one has to follow his way, his mind, and his soul. And if BSDs people feel like that, there is not much to do, but trying to explain why you think their model is not the appropiate one. They can listen if they want to, though...

Only that for those that have the power and the means to contribute back and do not do it, it is a good present, and as they probably know: divede and you will win ...

Has anyone heard about the Lemmings in Scandinavia, throwing themselves to the death from the cliffs... That is what happens when your model is not substainable!

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RE[3]: I read the interview
by dukeinlondon on Wed 29th Mar 2006 08:15 in reply to "RE[2]: I read the interview"
dukeinlondon Member since:
2005-07-06

Indeed.

Nobody pays if they don't have to. In a corporate environment, it's hard to justify spending on products with a price tag, encrypted license keys et al. Now try to justify spending when you don't have to !

Theo should tap in the sponsoring budget of tech companies, not their 'good tech citizenship' budget.

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RE[3]: I read the interview
by Soulbender on Wed 29th Mar 2006 08:32 in reply to "RE[2]: I read the interview"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"I also do not understand that others post claiming similar views are quickly accused of trolling by the BSD zealots... Sure there are GNU zealots, but if they prove their views with logic and empiric demostrations, why they should not do it?"

Because it is trolling. The license, be it BSD or (L)GPL, has nothing to do with financing. They only deal with the freedom of the source and has no provisioning WHATSOEVER for licensing fees. I'm sure a lot of people find discussing the pros and cons of the different licenses fascinating but it still has nothing to do with the money side of things. Using the GPL, for example, does not stop people from using your code and not giving back money or otherwise help your project financially

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Angel--Fr@gzill@ Member since:
2005-12-23

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" The license, be it BSD or (L)GPL, has nothing to do with financing. They only deal with the freedom of the source and has no provisioning WHATSOEVER for licensing fees. I'm sure a lot of people find discussing the pros and cons of the different licenses fascinating but it still has nothing to do with the money side of things. Using the GPL, for example, does not stop people from using your code and not giving back money or otherwise help your project financially "

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Absolutly right .. I could not agreee with you more!

Just tell me why did you answer my post with the above metioned text if I have never said the contrary in any of my posts... ???

I still thing that many people shoukd finish reading the whole post before answering in a hectic way!

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RE[3]: I read the interview
by Soulbender on Wed 29th Mar 2006 09:28 in reply to "RE[2]: I read the interview"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"Has anyone heard about the Lemmings in Scandinavia, throwing themselves to the death from the cliffs... That is what happens when your model is not substainable!"

Lemmings dont actually do this. It's just another popular but untrue myth. Maybe you should read up on the animal kingdom.

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RE[4]: I read the interview
by Ronald Vos on Wed 29th Mar 2006 16:17 in reply to "RE[3]: I read the interview"
Ronald Vos Member since:
2005-07-06

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Lemmings dont actually do this. It's just another popular but untrue myth. Maybe you should read up on the animal kingdom.

The way I understand it, is that in case of overpopulation (every 4 years or so), they mass migrate elsewhere, but always to lower regions for some reason. And if they are in sufficient numbers, they will occasionally blunder off of cliffs en masse.

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Angel--Fr@gzill@ Member since:
2005-12-23

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"Lemmings dont actually do this. It's just another popular but untrue myth. Maybe you should read up on the animal kingdom"

I am quite interested in ethology.
Ok, maybe your right.. can you enlight us briefly about what Lemmings do, please?

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