Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 24th Apr 2006 14:05 UTC, submitted by CrimsonScythe
Apple The 17" MacBook Pro has just been released. The 17" model has Firewire 800 and 8x dual layer Superdrive, both of which the 15.4" version lacks. The new MacBook Pro was presented during the NAB2006. The machine will cost $2799,- in the US, or round and about EUR 2879,- (differs per country) in the EU, or GBP 1999,- if you live in the UK.
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RE: What A Joke
by raxrat on Mon 24th Apr 2006 15:33 UTC in reply to "What A Joke"
raxrat
Member since:
2006-01-05

"The computing world isn't waiting around for Apple to sell them overpriced x86 boxes. "

Yes, the world would be better off saving money and going with Dell. Oh wait....

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/cto_xpsnb_m1...

If you don't want to follow the link, let me save you the trouble. The Intel Core Duo XPS laptops cost $2,600 to $3,855. I don't think you realize how expensive the Core Duo chip is compared to the G4 1.67 GHz in the old 17 inch powerbook have.

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RE[2]: What A Joke
by Moulinneuf on Mon 24th Apr 2006 18:02 in reply to "RE: What A Joke"
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/notebooks?c=u...

Inspiron E1705 : 999$
Inspiron E1505 : 799$

BTW he showed a Intel Core duo system too from HP. Saying they dont come with OS X + software and same hardware is a valid argument , your point that the core DUO is pricier when Apple deliver it when its INTEL made and everyone use them is just bulshit.

BTW DELL offered to ship MAC OS X on its hardware , Apple refused.

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RE[3]: What A Joke
by rayiner on Mon 24th Apr 2006 18:24 in reply to "RE[2]: What A Joke"
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

That E-series machine you linked to is a full 60% thicker than the Macbook. Is your point that you can get a lot cheaper machine if you give up form-factor? Sure, I don't think anybody would doubt that, but as someone who has done the whole "cheap Dell laptop" thing, let me tell you that it's not quite the bargain it seems to be at first.

Compare the price on something like a Thinkpad to a comparable Macbook Pro, and come back with that.

For example, you can get a 14.1" ThinkPad with 2.0 GHz Core Duo and X1400 graphics for $2200. The Thinkpad has a smaller screen, slower GPU, and smaller hard drive (or slower, depending on which Macbook HDD option you pick). On the other hand, it's a bit smaller and lighter, and $300 cheaper. Seems like an entirely reasonable trade-off to me.

The XPS notebook comparison is even more entertaining. The *cheapest* XPS model, the M1710, costs $3400 when outfitted with a comparable CPU, HDD, and wireless options as the Macbook Pro 17". For the extra $600, you can a much faster GPU, and a higher-res screen, but a notebook that is substantially larger and heaver. Again, the trade-off doesn't seem that bad, does it?

Or, consider Sony's VGN-FE590. Outfitted with comparable features to the 15.4" Macbook Pro, it costs about $2200. That's about $300 less than the Macbook Pro for a closely comparable machine. Is a $300 "OS X tax" too much? I don't think so. Certainly, it's a hell of a lot more reasonable than it was for the PowerPC machines. True, the machines themselves haven't gotten any cheaper, but the CPUs, instead of competing with the ones in bargain-basement PC laptops, are now comparable to those in the top PC laptops. When compared to these top PC laptops, the Apple laptop prices are quite reasonable indeed.

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RE[3]: What A Joke
by JohnOne on Mon 24th Apr 2006 19:29 in reply to "RE[2]: What A Joke"
JohnOne Member since:
2006-03-25

"BTW DELL offered to ship MAC OS X on its hardware , Apple refused."

Dell ASKED OSX, not offered. And Dell asked it when Apple still used PowerPC. Than, Dell ASKED to sell Mac-clone with PowerPC G4.

But, PowerPC G4 wasn't a poor processor? :-D

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RE[3]: What A Joke
by gdanko on Tue 25th Apr 2006 15:27 in reply to "RE[2]: What A Joke"
gdanko Member since:
2005-07-15

What was offered and what is shipping are two different concepts. The MacBook can and the Dell book can't.

Michael Dell also told Steve Jobs to return money to the shareholders and close up shop a few years back. Now he wants to ship his OS on his hardware? How does the crow taste, Mr. Dell?

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