Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Jul 2006 17:48 UTC, submitted by Dark Leth
BSD and Darwin derivatives The OpenDarwin project is shutting down. "Over the past few years, OpenDarwin has become a mere hosting facility for Mac OS X related projects. The original notions of developing the Mac OS X and Darwin sources has not panned out. Availability of sources, interaction with Apple representatives, difficulty building and tracking sources, and a lack of interest from the community have all contributed to this. Administering a system to host other people's projects is not what the remaining OpenDarwin contributors had signed up for and have been doing this thankless task far longer than they expected. It is time for OpenDarwin to go dark."
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halfmanhalfamazing
Member since:
2005-07-23

Apple has never been a fan of open standards. Look at their hardware, for years look at their hardware.

They arguably lost the huge marketshare that they had all those years ago because of the fact that PC/standards are alot more open.(though yes there are other reasons, this one stands out)

Look at how they've fought against the guys at the osX86(or whatever that website is called, it slips my mind at the moment) project.

Apple has made it incredibly hard over the years for mac lovers to adequately fawn over their apple/mac. I've sometimes looked at this similarly to a woman who is in a abusive relationship. If you are "a cut above the rest" and wish to develop for the mac platform you have to do it EXACTLY as apple wishes otherwise you are smacked down.

Honestly I say good riddens. I welcome these developers into the linux fold, or if they are of the BSD type I hope they help the BSDs to gain more userbase/marketshare as linux has already done. Help out solaris, they seem welcoming of the average joe too. Apple doesn't.

This is more of the same.

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Governa Member since:
2006-04-09

QUOTING:"Look at how they've fought against the guys at the osX86(or whatever that website is called, it slips my mind at the moment) project."

What would you expect?? To allow a copyrighted operating system to be freely hacked and distributed?? What does this have to do with OpenDarwin or opensource projects anyway??

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Tom K Member since:
2005-07-06

Are you sure you want to be asking that question? The open-source brigade feels like they're entitled to hack and distribute all closed-source, copyrighted software simply because it's not open-source.

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halfmanhalfamazing Member since:
2005-07-23

----------What would you expect?? To allow a copyrighted operating system to be freely hacked and distributed?? What does this have to do with OpenDarwin or opensource projects anyway??-------------

By itself? It doesn't have a leg to stand on.

But when you put it all together, it tells a story. A story about Apple's history. As I started out with in the post you are replying to, look at apple's hardware. Look at all those years they made nearly non-user upgradable computers.

I understand Apple's goals. And I respect it from a business standpoint. They don't want anything to get in the way of their 30+ percent margins. They have every right to charge that if people will pay it.

But for people to be surprised when you look at apple's history is in itself laughable. This is what apple does. You may pay full price for that computer, but it's never really yours. It's apple's computer.

Contrast that with a standard PC. While still being HP's computer, gateway's computer, so on and so forth, they are much more open. Macinteloshes may very well break this mold. Haven't seen much of those yet.

Now contrast those two with a home built PC. Especially if it runs Linux or another OSS. That's *MY* computer. 110%.

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Axord Member since:
2005-06-30

Now contrast those two with a home built PC. Especially if it runs Linux or another OSS. That's *MY* computer. 110%.

The specs for all the chips you use are Open?

You may pay full price for that computer, but it's never really yours. It's apple's computer.

The great majority of people are entirely uninterested in the kind of ownership you are talking about.

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kefkathecruel Member since:
2006-01-17

Ridiculous.

"If you ... wish to develop for the mac platform you have to do it EXACTLY as apple wishes otherwise you are smacked down."

Smacked down? How? By whom? Apple has been encouraging third-party development like never before. Free developer tools. Third-party listing on Apple's site with less oversight than VersionTracker?

Oh what would I know ... I've only developed software on this platform for a decade. Heh.

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