Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 30th Oct 2006 19:43 UTC, submitted by Charles A Landemaine
PC-BSD After the flood of Fedora Core 6 and Ubuntu 6.10 reviews, here is a review of PC-BSD 1.3 Beta. "PC-BSD has improved quite a bit and the use of its open-source PBI packaging system is a great idea. Although it obviously means there might be a minor delay in newly released products being ported over to the PBI package system, novice users will rejoice because the wait is well worth it. PC-BSD is a well oiled machine with its quick response times, even if you don't have that much memory in your system. Its implementation of a clean interface is welcomed by me and not having a 3D enabled desktop is not something I really would worry about unless you are an eye-candy lover."
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RE[4]: still no easy drivers
by Doc Pain on Tue 31st Oct 2006 17:10 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: still no easy drivers"
Doc Pain
Member since:
2006-10-08

"This is not because you don't like Flash that you should ban us from it."

I don't do this. You're nearly correct in one point: It's not that I don't like "Flash", it's just that I don't care about it because I have no use for it. Seems that you have, as you pointed out.

"I like watching Flash movies once in a while."

Wouldn't you prefer to watch the same movies in a standard format, maybe MPEG? They could be watched on any platform that supports this standard.

"Not everybody uses Flash for navigation menus. "

At least. But I could name you a few web pages that carry no viewable content if you havent't got "Flash" - simple blank pages.

"Flash used properly (for videos) is not evil at all."

I didn't say so. But - in my opinion - it's not necessary to have videos in "Flash" format when you can have them a cross-platform standard format. You even can have videos animated GIFs... So, "Flash" really is not evil, it's simply useless (to me). :-)

"Blind people won't be able to watch these, but what can we do? Ban Flash as a sympathy?"

No, you don't see the point. My advice: Use everything for what it's good for. What is "Flash" good for that doesn't exist already in better and standardized quality? Excuse me, I really don't know what "Flash" could be needed for. Blame me for lack of experience, I'm an "old fashioned" mainframe guy. :-) Just imagine how you would handle (handcrafting) tools. Of course you can hammer a nail into the wall using a screwdriver (or at least its grip), but wouldn't you prefer a hammer if you have one?

If you like, explain to me the necessarity of "Flash", allthough it might be seen as too far off-topic.

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RE[5]: still no easy drivers
by sbergman27 on Tue 31st Oct 2006 17:44 in reply to "RE[4]: still no easy drivers"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

"""If you like, explain to me the necessarity of "Flash", allthough it might be seen as too far off-topic."""

The real need for Flash is that it is much better than animated GIFs at distracting the user and causing them to notice the advertisement at the top of the page... and in the bottom right corner, and in the left sidebar, and in the top left corner, and in the right sidebar, and the one above it in the right sidebar, and at the bottom, and in the iframe that floats by in the middle of the page.

I just cannot believe that *anyone* (especially an OSNews reader, as OSNews.com has a particular affinity for Flash ads), in this day and age, could ask what Flash is good for.

Sheesh! ;-)

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RE[6]: still no easy drivers
by netpython on Tue 31st Oct 2006 19:14 in reply to "RE[5]: still no easy drivers"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

Well i don't see the use either for flash other than advertisements.An utter waste of bandwith.

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RE[6]: still no easy drivers
by Doc Pain on Wed 1st Nov 2006 09:40 in reply to "RE[5]: still no easy drivers"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"The real need for Flash is that it is much better than animated GIFs at distracting the user and causing them to notice the advertisement at the top of the page... and in the bottom right corner, and in the left sidebar, and in the top left corner, and in the right sidebar, and the one above it in the right sidebar, and at the bottom, and in the iframe that floats by in the middle of the page."

I know such things from a study about ADHD (attention deficite and hyperactivity disorder, ICD-10 F90.1) I did a few years ago. You simply cannot set attention to more than one target. So, using "Flash" ads, you could completely distract the attention from any possible content of a web page, when the "Flash" ad is not the content. (For video pages, "Flash" videos may be the content as you are able to see them.)

This may lead even people that are not suffering from ADHD to loose attention and finally interest on such pages. That would be sad, especially in the case thatt the content is interesting and / or important in fact.

Finally, it could lead to a pathological development of an ADHD type disease. People won't be able (!) to see the content even if it beats their heads. :-)

Even some UIs use these strategies with blinking and squaking buttons, funny animals jumping around and message bubbles floating over the desktop. :-)

"I just cannot believe that *anyone* (especially an OSNews reader, as OSNews.com has a particular affinity for Flash ads), in this day and age, could ask what Flash is good for."

I don't see "Flash" ads here, and the OSNews isn't blocked by "Flash" stuff. Or did I misunderstand you? (English is not my native language, so please don't blame me.)

Furthermore, there are no silly questions, there are only silly answers. Yours not included. :-)

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RE[5]: still no easy drivers
by Joe User on Tue 31st Oct 2006 18:32 in reply to "RE[4]: still no easy drivers"
Joe User Member since:
2005-06-29

Ever wondered why all video web sites (Google Video, YouTube, BlueMontain, etc...) use Flash instead of MPEG? Because Flash is present on every computer. Period.

MPEG doesn't work on every computer, especially Linux (default installation without codecs). For Linux, if you don't want to use Flash, you need to use .ogg but then it doesn't work in 99% of Windows computers because users don't have the free .ogg codec installed.

So the best solution is Flash for online video.

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RE[6]: still no easy drivers
by Doc Pain on Wed 1st Nov 2006 09:18 in reply to "RE[5]: still no easy drivers"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"Ever wondered why all video web sites (Google Video, YouTube, BlueMontain, etc...) use Flash instead of MPEG? Because Flash is present on every computer. Period."

Excuse me, but that's not true and you (should) know this. It can't be true because "Flash" is not available for every computer OS platform, please consider especially non-"Windows" and non-Linux platforms. Maybe "Flash" is present on some or even many computers, but not on all. Be careful using all-quantified statements - only one example against it will evaluate the statement the sentence as untrue.

I'd like to see the following solution: If "Flash" is availabe, use it. If not, display a "Download Video as MPEG" button (on the same page!) instead. That would be great and would lead Google Video, YouTube, BlueMontain etc. to even more success and polularity. These services sould be available not just for "Windows" users, but for everyone.

"MPEG doesn't work on every computer, especially Linux (default installation without codecs)."

As far as I know - I am no Linux user, so I can't tell exactly - players like mplayer come with MPEG codecs. Default installations (like KDE or Gnome desktop environments), as they are used by many Linux distributions, seem to include MPEG codes, as well as other video formats. I'd be glad to have a corresponding statement from a Linux user.

Even non-Linux systems support MPEG, some of them even out of the box. So far, your statement, except the Linux part, is true.

"For Linux, if you don't want to use Flash, you need to use .ogg but then it doesn't work in 99% of Windows computers because users don't have the free .ogg codec installed."

This is a problem of MICROS~1. The OGG/Vorbis standard is widely used and the specifications are free. But I'm sure you can install the codecs if you want.

"So the best solution is Flash for online video."

No, it definitely isn't, as I was able to proof. Read carefully, please. (And I know, my english is not the best one, but it should serve here.)

As I mentioned, a "mixed solution" would be better - the alternative (but combined) use of "Flash" and a standard (!) format.

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