Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 22nd Jan 2007 02:53 UTC, submitted by spectator
Xfce After more than two years of development, Xfce 4.4.0 has just been released. Xfce 4.4 features new tools such as the much awaited Thunar file manager as well as several improvements in its core components. Benedikt Meurer had also prepared a tour for the newcomers.
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RE: Some features still lacking
by xerverius on Mon 22nd Jan 2007 09:18 UTC in reply to "Some features still lacking"
xerverius
Member since:
2005-07-06

You can create a keyboard shortcut to 'xfce4-popup-menu' to open the panel menu plugin (part of xfdesktop). You can also run 'xfdesktop -menu' to popup the desktop menu.

Saving the size of the application window is a task of the application IMHO, Xfwm4 only tries to position the window right there where it's not overlapping other windows.

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twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

Saving the size of the application window is a task of the application IMHO,

Well not in X11 - not because that "isn't the X Window Way," it's just the way it's implemented. The so-called "window manager" has to do a lot more work than managing windows (like managing the desktop/background (though not the picture), which is even known in X11 as the "root window", and providing the menus you see when you click on the root window).

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xerverius Member since:
2005-07-06

"Well not in X11 - not because that "isn't the X Window Way," it's just the way it's implemented. The so-called "window manager" has to do a lot more work than managing windows (like managing the desktop/background (though not the picture), which is even known in X11 as the "root window", and providing the menus you see when you click on the root window)."

There is nothing in the wm-specs Xfwm4 should take care about that (window matching). And as long as there is no good way to 'detect' the application (command, application, window name, icon.. everything can change), it won't be added.

And BTW the desktop(-menus) are managed by xfdesktop. If you kill xfwm4, this is still working w/o problems.

Edited 2007-01-22 10:30

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da_Chicken Member since:
2006-01-01

You can create a keyboard shortcut to 'xfce4-popup-menu' to open the panel menu plugin (part of xfdesktop). You can also run 'xfdesktop -menu' to popup the desktop menu.

Thanks for the tip. IMO, this is a useful feature and it should be added to the list of default shortcuts for easy editing.

Saving the size of the application window is a task of the application IMHO.

Well, the developers of Fluxbox and KDE/KWin apparently think that such a feature is quite useful in a window manager, and I agree with them. Many applications don't offer any way to control the initial size or placement of their windows and currently XFCE/Xfwm4 doesn't help in controlling them either.

Fluxbox and KDE/KWin also allow you to set the initial workspace (or "virtual desktop") where the application always starts while XFCE/Xfwm4 lacks this feature. This would be useful for users who like to dedicate different workspaces for special tasks. For example, you could configure an "Internet workspace" for all your Internet-related tasks and you can set all your Internet-related applications to open in that specific workspace.

Then you only need to memorize which workspaces are dedicated to specific tasks and then you can switch between tasks by simply switching workspaces. And you'll always have easy access to the applications that are needed for that specific task. It's too bad that XFCE/Xfwm4 doesn't support this.

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