Linked by Eugenia Loli on Sat 17th Mar 2007 00:26 UTC
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu During my 8 years of Linux on and off usage I have tried more distros than I have chocolate bars. Each one of my previous encounters meant that I had to spend at least 2 days configuring before I have a desktop that I was somewhat comfortable with. With Ubuntu Feisty Fawn's latest test beta --for the first time ever-- this was not the case. I was up and running with all the niceties I wanted within 2 hours.
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by richardstevenhack on Sun 18th Mar 2007 00:41 UTC
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"I needed to have more information for my laptop's LCD. By manually entering the vertical and horizontal sync in the xorg.conf file it fixed the problem for my 1440x900 screen and I was able to load the LiveCD and finally install Feisty on the hard drive."

"Compiz is now part of Ubuntu although turned off by default because it still has major problems."

"installing new apps is now a breeze. Although Ubuntu has 5 GUI applications that are package-related and that can create some confusion..."

"I manually installed libdvdcss because this is not included in the restricted list and Totem now refuses to playback any DVD if you try to load it via Totem's menu"

"Please note that Ubuntu mistakenly loads the BCM43xx driver for my Broadcomm/Dell 1390 WiFi card and that resulted in a lot of errors in the terminal by the system (missing firmware?). I had to blacklist the BCM43xx driver before I could successfully install ndiswrapper and finally get WiFi support. [Update: I installed the bcm43xx-cutter package and installed the required firmware and WiFi now works with the open source driver which unfortunately is not stable (I lose connection after a minute or so)"

"Another fine moment is that Ubuntu supports suspend-to-RAM (sleep) on my laptop out of the box, although I noticed that once every 5-6 wake ups some stuff can get screwy (e.g. X dying, network card not responding etc)"

"There were very few the times that I had to pop to the terminal to carry out an important action."

"Some of these problems include: the i810 driver would not playback HD video (Xv crashing) if I would not add the Cachelines option in the Xorg.conf, copy/paste from Firefox does not work if Firefox is then closed down (this was fixed last year for Gnome apps, time to fix Firefox too), Gossip does not connect to anything else but (e.g. no gtalk), digicam's RAW files open by default with the wrong applications (only Cinepaint and UFRaw can handle these but they are not set as defaults for the RAW mime types), I have bad AC97 "scratchy" sound with most SDL games (e.g. Neverball, LTris etc), Bluetooth would not work at all here if you don't run "hcitool hci0 reset" before loading the service, there is no option in the gnome-mouse pref panel to disable tap-to-click on touchpads (gsynaptics is really buggy so I prefer to not mess with it), HAL is not built with libsmbios and so the new Gnome "brightness applet" does not support any DELL laptop, FFmpeg is built without AAC (so it's not possible to encode videos for my cellphone) etc. However, these are not problems that I can't live with or not find workarounds."

Excuse me, folks, but this is a litany of screwed up stuff nobody should have to tolerate on ANY OS - even Windows.

Why is it that the distros STILL do not have a database of every commonly used monitor with an effective method of detecting - or EVEN ASKING THE USER - to identify the monitor and installing the correct horizontal and vertical sync? I mean, I can understand it that my old ViewSonic 6 isn't detected properly in every distro, but the latest monitors? NOBODY can get the proper HV sync figures into the hardware database? C'mon!

Why does Ubuntu need FIVE package management programs? That is just ridiculous...I thought Fedora Core 5 was braindead for having TWO! What, we can't get ONE program to function properly, so we cover that up by installing FOUR MORE?

WHY is Totem, the least competent media player, the default? Why is Kaffeine demoted when it obviously can play encrypted DVDs without hosing itself just because libdvdcss is installed?

Why are so many obviously crippled and not ready for primetime packages being included in so many distros - like Compiz? Is it just because of "featuritis" inherited from Microsoft?

And we see that Wi-Fi and laptop hibernation STILL do not work properly? What is this, rocket science? Linux finally got the printer problem licked so that now you just select the printer and everything works with CUPS. Why can't the distros get a straightforward, automated way of installing WiFi support? It's not even a driver issue, since the drivers (if only through NDISWrapper) are there. It's the setup problem again - nothing is detected, the user isn't asked, so nothing works! This is ridiculous!

Copy/Paste from Firefox doesn't work if Firefox is closed down? Is there something about the notion of a CLIPBOARD that people at Ubuntu or GNOME or KDE just don't GET?

This is not a positive review. This is a litany of incompetence that demonstrates why xBuntu is not a competent distro. Sure, there are bugs in ALL the distros - and for the same reasons - lack of manpower or the will to do adequate testing as opposed to slapping in new "features" because they're "cool", like 3D eye candy - while allowing basics like installation and software update to be loaded with bugs.

I definitely will not be upgrading my Kubuntu to the next release. Instead, I will make the relatively painful effort to switch back to Mandriva 2007 or perhaps PCLinuxOS - whose developers apparently spend more time testing and tweaking to make sure things work than they do eye candy - and yet, look, PCLinuxOS even LOOKS COOL!

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negativity Member since:

The excuse for the bad handling of issues is because we lack so much in skills and yet the problems compound themselves when they need to be handled simultaneously.

Hey, but PCLinuxOS, Mandriva and KDE will fix all the problems themselves, so no need to worry, right? I want to see a thorough review of Mandriva as well, and how it will handle all the problems out-of-the-box for their users. No need to think. Any grandma will be able to install and use it.

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lemur2 Member since:

{Why is it that the distros STILL do not have a database of every commonly used monitor with an effective method of detecting - or EVEN ASKING THE USER - to identify the monitor and installing the correct horizontal and vertical sync? }

Most distros do have exactly that.

This problem is an identified bug with just the Ubuntu distro in particular, with just that screen.

Do not mistake a bug with one particular screen on one particular distro with a problem for all Linux distros.

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gfx1 Member since:

This problem is an identified bug with just the Ubuntu distro in particular, with just that screen.

Yeah right, this is a problem with X so it is in all linux flavours.
My radeon x800 card is never recognised properly by X, I always have to edit xorg.conf to change ati to radeon
to stop it from crashing at boottime.

BeOS handled this better 9 years ago.

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chris_dk Member since:

I think you can find problems in all distros.

What I am worried about is the lack of resources to take care of those bugs.

I think that Ubuntu needs to pay more developers to fix those bugs.

In the beginning Ubuntu developers were quick to solve bugs but now there are more users and more bugs get filed.

I left Mandriva because of poor QA.

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