Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th Mar 2007 22:26 UTC
Apple Apple's new Apple TV runs a modified version of the Mac OS X operating system that hackers have already managed to extract and boot on an Intel-based MacBook and an external USB drive. AppleTVHacks.net, a website documenting the various Apple TV hacks, has posted photos and a video of the Apple TV system software running on a 13-inch Apple MacBook. Ars reviewed the Apple TV.
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RE: As usual
by jcgf on Wed 28th Mar 2007 17:33 UTC in reply to "As usual"
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2005-11-14

Let's see... C7 miniITX mainboard w/cpu $140, 512 megs PC3200 $35, 320 gig SATA hdd $80, MiniITX 'book' case w/PICO inverter - $120... so yeah, $375 using off the shelf parts for double the RAM and eight times the disk space.


You could do that, but if you do I hope the C7s are better than the C3s. I had a 533MHz 6000 and it wasn't even comparable to a celeron at the same clock speed. The only advantage of the board was the size. You can almost always buy parts and build something yourself for cheaper than you can buy it whole, but only if your time is worthless.

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RE[2]: As usual
by deathshadow on Wed 28th Mar 2007 22:07 in reply to "RE: As usual"
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2005-07-12

>> You could do that, but if you do I hope the C7s
>> are better than the C3s. I had a 533MHz 6000 and it
>> wasn't even comparable to a celeron at the same
>> clock speed.


True, but that wasn't entirely my point. I just chose off the shelf parts at RETAIL price, and was able to come close to if not exceed most of their specifications.

Apple is an OEM builder, they have NO excuse to not be able to offer something better for that price point on the hardware side... but that has been the case of their entire product line for ages. I'm often amazed at how with things like the iMac they'll go for a bleeding edge cpu, then connect hardware to it that's a generation or two BEHIND the 'norm' for a desktop system. We're talking about the company that thought the ATI Rage LT was bleeding edge desktop technology in 2002, and who still offers combo drives standard on most of their product line.

Of course, if you were willing to throw form factor out the window, you could knock a 120 bucks off my estimate easy and get a 2.5ghz processor in the process.

To be honest, if they made a mid-tower with the same processor as the mini, a gig of RAM, a PCI Express x16 slot with standard desktop optical and hard drives for the same price point as the mini, I'd be on it like a crack whore on a five dollar bill as the typical 'machine for grandma or the art *** cousin'. Lord knows you can get the parts to build said configuration for two thirds that, and if you swap the 2.13 core duo for the roughly equal performing 2.8ghz Pentium D 820, you can make it for half the cost of the mini.

It's funny though, as I've seen a lot of reviews saying the 1ghz C7 has trouble playing h264 or Mpeg4 at 720 or even 1080i as anything more than a screensaver - which I never encountered until I realized these people are either running in linux without accellerated drivers, or aren't smart enough under windows to switch the device renderer to get overlay support... specifically because they trust players like WMP 11 or DivX player to actually handle it... While in 'Media Player Classic' I just go Options > Playback > Output, choose "Overlay Mixer" and boom, both formats play smooth as silk.

Of course, if you built it as a BeOS box around BeCR, you could probably do all of this with a ATI All in Wonder card and a K6/2-450. (which used to be my old SV DVR until I got Dish Network)

--------- back on topic ---------

Software wise though, I can understand where a lot of their decisions come from, even if I disagree with it... they don't want to make it a DVR because that would put them up against TIVO and the cable companies. They don't want to make it a full blown OSX box (despite it's being exactly that) because it would cut into the sales of the mini and iMacs. They don't want to make it play DVD's because then it would be competing with DVD players. They don't want to make it able to record anything it has because then the movie industry would get it's panties in a twist, even though there are hundreds of DVD movie burners on the market.

It's typical Apple, tons of compromises because they don't have the balls to actually go up against competition in established markets, so they try to find a niche and pray people pay attention, or worse, hope that people DON'T pay attention so they can prey on the ignorance of the average consumer.

Edited 2007-03-28 22:13

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