Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 30th Mar 2007 20:44 UTC, submitted by theosib
Linux The founder of the Open Graphics Project writes: "Good design and usability are very important. I haven't paid enough attention to the discussions between Linus and GNOME developers, so I can't address it directly. But what I can say is that a learning curve is not a bad thing. While it's good to think about the total novice, it's even more important to have consistent and logical mechanisms. This way, if someone has to learn something new to use the computer, they have to learn it only once. This is why I think it's good that Apple and Microsoft have UI development guides that encourage developers to make their apps act consistently with other apps in areas where their functionalities conceptually overlap. And this is where I start to get disappointed with GNU/X11/Linux systems."
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What about the InterWeb
by Touvan on Fri 30th Mar 2007 21:15 UTC
Touvan
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2006-09-01

Most people don't know the difference between a website and a program. Yet they seem to be able to navigate complicated web applications like Flickr, MySpace and PhotoBucket just fine.

Why then do "usability" experts keep championing this idea of consistency? Users are able to consistently figure out the web as varied as it is. Doesn't that provide definitive counter argument to this repeated claim?

RE: What about the InterWeb
by theosib on Fri 30th Mar 2007 21:20 in reply to "What about the InterWeb"
theosib Member since:
2006-03-02

While on the surface, many different web sites don't seem to be consistent with one-another, they ARE consistent in some very critical areas. First, you have the basic things like links and web forms, and the browser itself is a constant that guides the user and restricts the design of the web pages. But also most good web sites, intentionally or not, do a very good job of "putting knowledge into the world."

Two of the main principles espoused by Norman are consistency and knowledge in the world. If you have at least one, you're in good shape, better if you have both.

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RE[2]: What about the InterWeb
by Dave_K on Fri 30th Mar 2007 23:07 in reply to "RE: What about the InterWeb"
Dave_K Member since:
2005-11-16

While on the surface, many different web sites don't seem to be consistent with one-another, they ARE consistent in some very critical areas. First, you have the basic things like links and web forms, and the browser itself is a constant that guides the user and restricts the design of the web pages.


I agree completely. Looking at the web sites I use regularly, on the whole they are quite consistent.

For example, most of my favourite online forums use very similar toolbars and tags, similar controls for replying and posting new messages, similar controls for displaying/collapsing threads, etc. When I meet one that's inconsistent it's significantly less pleasant to use.

Looking at the online stores that I return to regularly, they are fairly consistent when it comes to important things like searching for items and sorting results. Less consistent sites, at least the ones that aren't highly intuitive, are less likely to see me as a return visitor.

As you point out, a lot of consistency is provided by the browser itself. Things like the handling of links, moving between form fields, selecting from lists, and the use of many other web page features depend on the browser, rather than the design of the particular site. Then of course there are the menus and keyboard shortcuts that remain consistent between pages, and to a large extent between browsers.

I wonder how the people who dismiss the importance of consistency would cope if their browser's keyboard shortcuts were redefined and menus were reorganised?

I remember that so many people who tried Opera complained about having to press ctrl+n, rather than ctrl+t, to open a new page/tab, that the developers changed the default (despite the fact that users could redefine it themselves). It was an Opera 'flaw' that was mentioned in many reviews, at least those written by users of other tabbed browsers. Amazing how such a little inconsistency could be such a problem for a significant number of users.

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RE: What about the InterWeb
by StephenBeDoper on Sat 31st Mar 2007 02:21 in reply to "What about the InterWeb"
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2005-07-06

Yet they seem to be able to navigate complicated web applications like Flickr, MySpace and PhotoBucket just fine.


I've notice that when it comes to complex, multi-step processes, many less-technical computers tend to just memorize their steps by rote.

It seems that the "holy grail" of computer usability is an interface where users never have to learn the specific quirks of an individual app - they just learn a set of basic principles once, and then apply them as needed. Of course, I don't think that's ever going to be entirely possible - for some types of complex tasks just require complex interfaces (otherwise there's a sacrifice of necessary functionality). But it's still a good ideal to aim for.

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