Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Apr 2007 17:13 UTC, submitted by davidiwharper
Novell and Ximian "The Free Software Foundation has published a third draft of the GPL3 license. The FSF had indicated leading up to this draft that it would be addressing some concerns it had with the Novell-Microsoft agreements in the draft. Here's Novell's position on the new draft."
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RE: Lower the boom!
by SReilly on Tue 3rd Apr 2007 18:33 UTC in reply to "Lower the boom!"
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2006-12-28

I would love to see how Novell would react to that particular rug being yanked out from under them, although I could see MS using it in they're PR war as a reason for any "sane" CTO to not consider Linux.

I still think that Novell didn't get into this deal for any bad reasons but that alone does not excuse the damage that has been done to the image of other distros.

Novell can say what they like. As far as I am concerned, until they get out of this deal with MS, they're word holds very little meaning to me and I'm willing to bet that many in the community will take a long time to forgive, even if they do.

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RE[2]: Lower the boom!
by sbergman27 on Tue 3rd Apr 2007 18:54 in reply to "RE: Lower the boom!"
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2005-07-24

I've been observing the OSS community for 11 years. And I must say that I was puzzled by the community's initial positive response to Novell. Novell proudly proclaimed themselves as a "mixed source" company, and the the community seemed to feel that was just fine.

Flashback to a few years previous, and Ransom Love, of Caldera (who was ousted and replaced by the current management of that company that we call "The SCO Group" today), got into deep doo doo with the community simply by having the audacity to suggest that the GPL might not always be the best license for all purposes, and that in some cases BSD might be a better choice.

I guess it was Novell challenging SCO in court that kept them in such good grace for so long. But what they have done there has been purely out of self interest, and for reasons of their own.

I suppose that there really is only so much in the area of "getting it" that one can expect of a company which continues to proudly proclaim its "Mixed Source" standing.

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RE[3]: Lower the boom!
by SReilly on Tue 3rd Apr 2007 19:14 in reply to "RE[2]: Lower the boom!"
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2006-12-28

Agreed. I too have often been surprised by whom the community picks as target for they're collective ire and must say that, to begin with, I was happy to hear about the Novell/MS deal. That is, until I started to read about the patent "small print" and consider the implications of that small print.

I still think that interoperability is very important in our, or indeed any, industry but I don't think that it's worth losing one of our greatest strengths, the community, over it.

At the end of the day, and this is something Novell has to realize, the community has done wonders to enhance interoperability without the help of anyone else.

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RE[3]: Lower the boom!
by twenex on Tue 3rd Apr 2007 23:36 in reply to "RE[2]: Lower the boom!"
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2006-04-21

I've been observing the OSS community for 11 years. And I must say that I was puzzled by the community's initial positive response to Novell. Novell proudly proclaimed themselves as a "mixed source" company, and the the community seemed to feel that was just fine.

I think Novell got a lot of Kudos from users who wanted to see YaST open-sourced. (There may be other things from SuSE that they open-sourced, too.) Strangely, afaik, that hasn't resulted in a single other distribution adopting YaST, unless of course you count openSUSE, which is a pretty pointless thing to do in this context.

Flashback to a few years previous, and Ransom Love, of Caldera (who was ousted and replaced by the current management of that company that we call "The SCO Group" today), got into deep doo doo with the community simply by having the audacity to suggest that the GPL might not always be the best license for all purposes, and that in some cases BSD might be a better choice.

The community is a lot bigger than it used to be, and also possibly a lot better at agreeing to disagree. At my LUG we have several members who still use SuSE, and if we were to reject them we would splinter our local Linux community (which is small enough as it is, though I don't think it's that small considering where it is). OTOH if I, personally, were to reject people because they still use SuSE or use open source, as opposed to free, software, or even - Gosh! prefer proprietary software - I might just as well be ejected myself for being a (now former) user of Gentoo or being a GPL "purist" or Ubuntu detractor.

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RE[3]: Lower the boom!
by lemur2 on Wed 4th Apr 2007 03:10 in reply to "RE[2]: Lower the boom!"
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2007-02-17

{I've been observing the OSS community for 11 years. And I must say that I was puzzled by the community's initial positive response to Novell. Novell proudly proclaimed themselves as a "mixed source" company, and the the community seemed to feel that was just fine. }

I don't have any problem at all with the notion of "mixed source". As far as I am concerned, the more people writing applications for Linux, open or closed, the better.

The only thing that Novell got wrong was to be subverted by a notion that "you have to get your open source from us".

Supplying closed source is not wrong in any way. Trying to commandeer/appropriate/usurp/seize open source (that does not belong to Novell or to Microsoft) is dead wrong, in every way.

Edited 2007-04-04 03:21

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RE[3]: Lower the boom!
by WarpKat on Wed 4th Apr 2007 15:19 in reply to "RE[2]: Lower the boom!"
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2006-02-06

I don't know if you've been keeping track of recent events, but I initially didn't have a problem with Novell being a mixed source company - I still don't. As a matter of fact, that's what it takes for good projects to come together from closed source and open source camps.

What we take objection with is Novell getting into bed with Redmond with the 'best of intentions' and allowing Microsoft to start with their, "See, we told you open source infringed our IP!"

THAT is what we take objection to. It's like the school bully dating your sister 'with the best of intentions' and then kicking your butt up and down the street as he sees fit while your sister doesn't lift a finger or say a damned thing to stop it.

Novell = puppet.

Novell = SCO.

Novell = the bully's concubine.

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