Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 6th Apr 2007 21:45 UTC, submitted by dylansmrjones
GTK+ Kimmo Kinnunen wrote yesterday on the GTK+-WebCore developer mailing list that he has imported the Safari 2.0 WebCore branch into GTK+-WebCore. "This means that from the webcore/javascriptcore part, the code is mostly the same as in current Safari. So if there are any crashes, they're not from webcore/javascriptcore part of the codebase with very high probability, rather my code."
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by jlarocco on Sat 7th Apr 2007 13:24 UTC in reply to "RE"
jlarocco
Member since:
2005-09-14

That may be true, but I've been using Opera for a while, and I don't think they're too worried about desktop market share, to be honest.

They'll take it, but from what I've seen they're more focused on phones and PDAs, which is where they actually make money. The desktop browser is still great and it gets a lot of their attention, but they're just not too concerned about taking market share from the other desktop browsers

Besides that, there's not too much hacking needed to get pages working in Opera. If a page works in Firefox, and passes validation, it usually works in Opera with minimal hacking.

But that's just my experience, and I'm a big Opera fan, so I'm a little biased.

Edited 2007-04-07 13:28

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RE
by dylansmrjones on Sat 7th Apr 2007 13:57 in reply to "RE"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

If you avoid the newest fancy stuff or avoid IE-specific code Opera, Firefox, Konqueror, osb-browser (Flower) and most other browsers will render pages quite fine.

XHTML 1.0 + CSS 2 usually just works. Well, don't use PNG's if you want it to look good with Inter Explorer 6 ;)

Opera's flaw no.1 is that it feels very foreign on all platforms. It is poorly integrated in Windows and poorly integrated in Linux. And it doesn't have all the nice extensions Firefox has.

However:

- it's starts faster than Firefox (but still too slow)
- has fewer problems with frames and flash (Firefox has this annoying bug when clicking on a link all or most frames on the page is opened in individual windows - and closing one of them crashes Firefox - it also happens with Epiphany, Galeon and Kazekahaze when compiled against Firefox) - however Opera still crashes on occasion when visiting sites with excessive use of Flash (solution: annihilate the webmaster!)
- uses slightly less memory (but still way too high memory consumption)
- Opera doesn't become unresponsive to same degree as Firefox when loading heavy sites (like ekstrabladet.dk or something ugly bloat like that - the proper solution would be to annihilate the webmaster).

Opera can be used but is not much better than Firefox, and the lack of extensions makes it irrelevant.

In order for me to consider another browser it has to support HTML, XHTML, CSS1+2+3, Java, JavaScript, and Flash - and have a low memory consumption and start fast.

If osb-browser had support for Java and Flash, Firefox would be unmerged instantly.

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RE: feeling foreign...
by Sophotect on Sat 7th Apr 2007 14:20 in reply to "RE"
Sophotect Member since:
2006-04-26

I think that foreign feeling depends on the default setup of the platform and the browser. For me defaults are foreign :-) Since I'm using KDE with Reinhardtstyle i just installed the "Simple" theme for Opera, activated use of native colorschemes there and that was it. The only thing which nags me is that it automatically opens the download tab when i'm downloading something.

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RE - Opera memory use
by fyysik on Sat 7th Apr 2007 14:38 in reply to "RE"
fyysik Member since:
2006-02-19

Solution is known for years. It is in Opera's preferences. But Preferences in Opera was from start designed by some geek, starting from version 1.0 - strange things located into strange places.

Shortly - look somewhere in "History" (not sure if they didn't renamed/replaced it again), find Cache section and switch off "Automatic" for RAM cache size.

Set it to amount you desire.
Mem-hungriness stops with that.

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RE
by Gullible Jones on Tue 10th Apr 2007 02:06 in reply to "RE"
Gullible Jones Member since:
2006-05-23

I don't think the lack of extensions is an issue, considering that Opera has just about everything a decked-out copy of Firefox has built into it. Basically, it suffers from most of the same flaws as Firefox, though not in such an exaggerated fashion.

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