Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 28th Jun 2007 21:39 UTC, submitted by jayson.knight
Windows Microsoft is simplifying the processes via which its PC-maker partners will be able to provide 'downgrade' rights from Windows Vista to Windows XP for their customers. Microsoft will implement the first of the policy changes for its Gold Certified (top-tier) OEM partners within the next couple of weeks. The company will streamline downgrade-rights policies and procedures for the broader channel somewhat later, said John Ball, general manager of Microsoft's US Systems Group.
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RE: Vista has been a disaster
by JonathanBThompson on Thu 28th Jun 2007 23:05 UTC in reply to "Vista has been a disaster"
JonathanBThompson
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2006-05-26

What, precisely, do you mean by "We migrated several of our dying machines to Vista out of necessity" do you mean you installed Vista on the old machines, or bought new machines to replace the old ones, couldn't get XP (not too surprising) and found that all the old stuff wasn't written correctly?

A lot can be blamed on poor drivers, there's likely little doubt there, as they aren't mature, sadly, but if you're running on dying/unreliable hardware, well, I don't know why you'd expect any OS to run properly, but how you expressed things left room to doubt what you meant.

If you were forced to replace old machines with new ones, combined with also not being able to install a known quantity OS that everything else works with already, that's just not something you can expect to happen without fireworks, regardless, and sadly, too many Windows applications are written on various assumptions of how things are configured, often with security not being properly taken care of, etc. and that's something you need to scream at your software providers for.

Rolling out systems into a production realm without having a validation plan that's executed first is just asking for problems, regardless of the OS vendor. Going from one major (.1 or more) version release to another with BeOS wasn't perfectly smooth, either, and some things broke (not that there's been that many applications total to break) and don't even talk about Linux being immune to such hiccups when changing versions of libs, etc.

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RE[2]: Vista has been a disaster
by Morgan on Fri 29th Jun 2007 00:40 in reply to "RE: Vista has been a disaster"
Morgan Member since:
2005-06-29

What, precisely, do you mean by "We migrated several of our dying machines to Vista out of necessity" do you mean you installed Vista on the old machines, or bought new machines to replace the old ones, couldn't get XP (not too surprising) and found that all the old stuff wasn't written correctly?


I don't know for sure, but I think I comprehend his situation fairly well. He is in a smallish company, they have a somewhat limited budget and their current machines happened to reach their end-of-life right around the time all the vendors started shipping Vista exclusively. They weren't big enough (or didn't have the budget) for volume licensing on XP so they just bought a few XP preloaded machines as needed. Now, they're stuck without a way to wipe Vista from the new hardware and install XP. This has led to a snowball effect with their software and network needs due to Vista's current instability and lack of backwards-compatibility.

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Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

I'm sure youíre correct and it also agrees with my experience, we have 2 Vista Business PC and they've been horrible.

∑ Applications don't work including MS Office.
∑ Slow - is a dual core with a gig of RAM and a Nvidia graphics card low end? Do we need gaming PCs in the office?
∑ The default drivers, which should work e.g. Nvidia graphics drivers donít work properly (scrambles the screen when Vista asks for permission to make system changes and won't run the appropriate resolution)
∑ Rearranges peoples desktops when they open files from the desktop
∑ Wireless drivers not supplied difficult to find
∑ Etc

However XP is not a solution it is now no longer fit for purpose, Old, very insecure etc. MS need to fix Vista - although Iíd like to go for Ubuntu realistically I need some Window applications. I suggest MS strips the DRM crap and other Crap out of Vista concentrates on getting drivers that work and backwards compatibility working, and make a service pack that makes this OS just work.

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