Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 19th Jul 2007 21:57 UTC
Novell and Ximian "Last month, Novell decided to push the limits of developer empowerment and perform an elaborate experiment in innovation by liberating the company's entire Linux engineering team for one full week of free hacking. During Novell Hack Week, hundreds of skilled developers employed by Novell at various facilities around the world worked together on open-source projects of their choice. Driven by creativity and passion instead of deadlines, instructions, and executive decisions, Novell's best and brightest created impressive new software and added innovative improvements to existing programs."
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Whatever
by fsckit on Fri 20th Jul 2007 00:16 UTC
fsckit
Member since:
2006-09-24

Is anyone else not suprised they wasted their week working on a bunch of mono crap that nobody really cares about? Yay, they reimplemented gdesklets in mono. How bout spending that week creating useful desklets instead of reinventing what already works in a crap language?

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RE: Whatever
by butters on Fri 20th Jul 2007 03:00 in reply to "Whatever"
butters Member since:
2005-07-08

Well, your anti-Mono bias aside, have you ever considered that maybe the problem with existing desktop widget frameworks is that the development barriers are too high? These little apps are supposed to be so easy to make that a power user can throw one together on a whim. But none of the existing systems have approached that level of ease.

One approach is to continually reimplement the idea as newer and high-level development technologies emerge. Maybe the bar will drop just low enough that a real widget ecosystem can flourish. Moonlight is extremely new technology, and nobody really knows what it's good for just yet. Maybe it's the programming tool that finally empowers a community of widget programmers.

We'll never know if we don't try.

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RE[2]: Whatever
by Almindor on Fri 20th Jul 2007 07:23 in reply to "RE: Whatever"
Almindor Member since:
2006-01-16

I wouldn't be surprised if this move wasn't all so "altruistic". Unsurprisingly, it's Novell who has most interest in Mono's survival, and the best way to ensure this is to make people depend on mono (microsoft strategy).

I see this as a particularly directed effort to spread mono dependencies with a nice coat on it.

NO COMPANY DOES ALTRUISTIC THINGS.. EVER! If you believe for a second that Novell did anything out of good heart, you are more naive than my mom (and that's a big naive there)

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RE[2]: Whatever
by shapeshifter on Fri 20th Jul 2007 07:24 in reply to "RE: Whatever"
shapeshifter Member since:
2006-09-19

Well, your anti-Mono bias aside, have you ever considered that maybe the problem with existing desktop widget frameworks is that the development barriers are too high? These little apps are supposed to be so easy to make that a power user can throw one together on a whim. But none of the existing systems have approached that level of ease.

One approach is to continually reimplement the idea as newer and high-level development technologies emerge. Maybe the bar will drop just low enough that a real widget ecosystem can flourish. Moonlight is extremely new technology, and nobody really knows what it's good for just yet. Maybe it's the programming tool that finally empowers a community of widget programmers.

We'll never know if we don't try.


Bla, bla, bla, you're stating the obvious.
And with Dotnet 4 second graders will be able to write enterprise class applications in one afternoon.

Ofcourse it'll get easier and will take less time.
But Mono is not it. And Novel is not the company that'll make it happen.
Mono is as good as dead. And Novel will always be a mistrusted outsider in the Linux community.
So, try again.

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RE: Whatever
by Soulbender on Fri 20th Jul 2007 03:54 in reply to "Whatever"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Seriously, I'm glad you got your little rant out and picked up a few mod points. Hope that makes you feel better about yourself.

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RE: Whatever
by marpaco on Fri 20th Jul 2007 14:12 in reply to "Whatever"
marpaco Member since:
2006-01-01

Mono is not a language. C#, C/C++, Java, BASIC and Pascal are examples of languages.

One suggestion would be for you to get educated and to point out things that are constructive rather than just being an Troll.

The Novell week of hacking is a great example of the incredible metamorphosis that Novell has undergone as a software development enterprise. Very impressive!

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RE: Whatever
by dmdavis on Fri 20th Jul 2007 16:33 in reply to "Whatever"
dmdavis Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm rather surprised. Novell has taken the initiative to do something very cool for a) their developers (I'm quite a bit jealous), and b) the open source community, and you're complaining because the devs chose some projects that you wouldn't have had them work on. Wasn't the whole point of it that they get to work on what interests them, not what someone else tells them should interest them?

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