Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 21st Jul 2007 21:11 UTC, submitted by kwag
PC-BSD The first beta of PC-BSD 1.4 has been released. "After months of hard work, the PC-BSD team is pleased to make available the 1.4 BETA release. This version includes many exciting new features and software, such as 3D desktop support via Beryl, KDE 3.5.7, FreeBSD 6.2, Xorg 7.2, new GUI tools & utilities, and much more." Get it from the download page.
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RE[7]: Wow!
by n0xx on Sun 22nd Jul 2007 03:32 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Wow!"
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This is easier for you but not for everybody. Not for me at least.

Lol, ok then... the hard part must be clicking on a button labeled forward. How can you say its harder if the damn interface is nearly identical? I dunno how it was back on horay, but ever since dapper came along that installing stuff on Ubuntu without the repos has basically been a forward forward forward issue.

Why? Applications are run as user, like on Debian (not as root)
You didn't explain why it's more secure

I'm sorry, iill try to explain the best I can. It goes like this:

You install a program via PBI. That program needs a library to run... a library is a piece of software that provides functionality to other pieces of software. The problem with PBIs is that in order to achieve the kind of forward forward forward forward installation simplicity, the guys at PC-BSD have chosen to install every dependency (every library, every application) on the same package. The problem with this approach is not as much one of PBEKAC, as it is a legitimate security threat: If someone finds a vulnerability on any of those ghost dependencies that where installed along with the PBI, the whole system can be compromised. Worst than that, the system updater doesn't apply security fixes to these ghost dependencies. So even if your system-updater fixes your systems lib-gtk2.8, your still pretty much in jeopardy cause every single application you installed with PBIs that uses that lib will still put yout system in jeopardy. This, is why I don't like PBIs.

And PBIs already have dependencies so the job is already done, no need to look for them.

That's the problem. And btw, Ubuntu users don't search for deps. At least I don't.

You seem to be the kind of Linux nazi who doesn't agree/accept that some people have different tastes and feelings. If you think having to use Synaptic, YaST, Adept or whatever tool to install applications, fine. But there are people who just don't want to use that.

Dude, i've used Windows 3.1->vista, DOS, Linux, BeOS and QNX. I've also played with various classic mac Systems (7,8,9), with the classic Amiga, Windows 2003, Hackintosh and Free/Net/OpenBSD. I'm not a Linux nazi, I'm an Operating System Nazi. And damn me if i wont get an OS running on your computer! ;) Seriously now, it's my firm belief that the Ubuntu way is the right way. IMHO, having a texbox 2 clicks away that finds what you want is mathematically simpler than having to browse web pages to find the exact same thing, plus installing. Less clicks, less distance traveled by the mouse. Less environmental variables to consider (eg Is this a trustworthy site?) Basically, more convenient. Period. (I'm gonna get so moded down for my arrogance but boy it tastes so damn sweet right now).

Yes I can. I have a hard time to do it, especially when you have to deal with applications of the non-free and multiverse repos. Please bear with me, I'm not a software developer.

Yeah, the pain of clicking two check boxes. Oh the humanity! ;) Seriously now, I haven't touched Horray for ages... I think you should consider an upgrade to dapper. If not edgy. Like i said, FreeBSD is cool. PBI, at least to my knowledge, its not. I like gnome, otherwise I'd install PC-BSD... Btw (since this discussion is getting kind of cool) How does it compare to Linux in terms of response to stress?

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RE[8]: Wow!
by bubbayank on Mon 23rd Jul 2007 07:00 in reply to "RE[7]: Wow!"
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Your knowledge of "security" is quite entertaining.

PBIs are in no way inherently insecure. If there's a vulnerability, you get a new PBI.

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