Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 23rd Jul 2007 21:20 UTC, submitted by Innova
Gentoo "Over the past few days, I discovered that the Gentoo Foundation's charter is in the process of being revoked by the state of New Mexico, apparently due to regular paperwork not being filed by the trustees. What this means is that the Gentoo Foundation is currently hanging for its life by a string, and at any day could cease to exist as an entity. That is the very bad news. The good news is that I was able to talk to Grant Goodyear (trustee) this morning on the phone, and I have confirmed that Grant had received my email about the revocation issue that I sent 2 days ago and that he will be resolving this critical issue in the next couple of days by filing the appropriate paperwork with the state of New Mexico, and this paperwork will also remove me as President of the Foundation."
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RE[10]: I hope things work out
by b00gie on Tue 24th Jul 2007 20:13 UTC in reply to "RE[9]: I hope things work out"
b00gie
Member since:
2006-06-09

till now i never got off topic because you don't understand that there is no ideological problem for administration to discuss!
Who cares about politics, GNU, software freedoms and such rants when the main problem is that the action's by trustees affect in every way the developers and they are the guys who keep project up and running.
It's simple... if you cannot locate the problems and understand them how will you fix the foundation?

but now you want to discuss what we call bleeding edge.. well that is offtopic for sure.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_edge
"technology that is so new (and thus, presumably, not perfected) that the user is required to risk reductions in stability and productivity in order to use it"

So minor releases are NOT bleeding edge cause they are most of them bug fixes and small changes.

Also in the rest of you paragraph you confuse developers with users and you make new terms (binary are "static"? major distros already working and contributing back to kde or you want me to add the patches and communicate with upstream? im the user! that is developer's work)

That's from me...

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RE[11]: I hope things work out
by cyclops on Tue 24th Jul 2007 21:01 in reply to "RE[10]: I hope things work out"
cyclops Member since:
2006-03-12

"Who cares about politics, GNU, software freedoms and such rants when the main problem is that the action's by trustees affect in every way the developers and they are the guys who keep project up and running."

I'm beginning to see a theme, what are you on about. If you are trying a "Linus", its lost on me. I don't care. Gentoo as a distribution, caters for both free and open-source users by the very nature of it being a meta-distribution.

Again you seem *confused* you argue for downstream fixes, when by your own admission Gentoo unlike a Binary Distribution is not *static*, you are arguing it does not contain latest released like KDE4 and that has been disproved. Not only that Gentoo is as bleeding-edge as you want it to be.

I think you have a *major* misunderstanding...and its *you*. Gentoo does it all. If you need svn they are often available, new releases are put into unstable...but *you* have the option of running these if they contain *features* *fixes* you need, like I say I do this for my graphics card, and games, but everything else I opt for a stable build...you have the choices.

If you are arguing that running that I am running the latest released kernel;X;XFCE that is not bleeding edge. I can even use ebuilds for the code in snv;git.

I use the terms binary for well package managers that deliver applications in binary form. I use the term static because it points out a flaw in you logic. Binary distributions are *static* often picking a stable selection of applications and back porting fixes to these. Gentoo works differently...its a constantly *evolving* distribution. I don't download every six months. I just synchronize every day. If you do not understand this then you are simply confused about the difference.

In simple terms new releases come out all the time, in Gentoo new releases are testing, and if have obvious blockers are masked with an explanation why, or are put into unstable for more testing by adventurous *users* as every combination of a meta-distribution is impossible to test, sometimes are even ready on the day of release simply because on time taken to test earlier revisions of the application. Although a *user* can override this simple mechanism because he has the power to unmask, mark stable packages, in fact you can run the whole system in unstable although I would advise against it, although many do. I use my example of my Open-source graphics cards drivers as an example of where it offers *real* advantages to overide the simple method in place, but this is an *exception* to the rule, The other example I use is games becuase I unlike my desktop I want *new* features not *stability*.

...but again the choice is yours.

Although I do find it amusing that "im the user! that is developer's work" yet you think you have a better idea of how to release than the dedicated individuals working for Gentoo, and yet continually show your ignorance at both *what gentoo is* and *how gentoo works*

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RE[12]: I hope things work out
by b00gie on Tue 24th Jul 2007 22:51 in reply to "RE[11]: I hope things work out"
b00gie Member since:
2006-06-09

my friend you are confusing an official maintained kde4 ebuild i'm asking for (with local revisions, patches at least to compile in gentoo, accept bugs in bugzilla, developers focused in nothing else than the particular project etc etc) with a dirty ebuild which just downloads the latest dev code and builds it...

well you think i'm confused and i think you are confused too. call it a draw? :p

anyway feel free to read a part of social contract:
"We will establish relationships with Free Software authors and collaborate with them when possible. We will submit bug-fixes, improvements, user requests, etc. to the "upstream" authors of software included in our system. We will also clearly document our contributions to Gentoo as well as any improvements or changes we make to external sources used by Gentoo (whether in the form of patches, "sed tweaks" or some other form). We acknowledge that our improvements and changes are much more meaningful to the larger Free Software community if they are clearly documented and explained, since not everyone has the time or ability to understand the literal changes contained in the patches or tweaks themselves."
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/contract.xml

and tell me now in which way gentoo project contributes e.g in kde?
how many developers are working on kde4?
and not just kde but any other project...
let me remind you that most major "static" distros contribute with innovative code, one guy from suse made a new kde menu, the other guy from ubuntu made a new menu editor for gnome etc etc...

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