Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 29th Nov 2007 21:22 UTC, submitted by Steven Edwards
Mac OS X On the Wine mailing list, there is some interesting information on Leopard's apparent ability to load basic Windows binaries. "When tracking down a crash in the kernel32 loader test, Dmitry found a bug in the Mac OS loader when Wine tried to load his dummy PE file. Upon further research I found that the Mac loader seems to have its own undocumented PE loader built in. I did some further testing with a Windows binary and got some really interesting results." The first thought was that this was a remnant from Mac OS X' EFI support, but upon further investigation, this really seems like new, Leopard-specific behaviour: "This is new to Leopard. On Tiger, dlopen rejects PE files as expected. The Wine testing that Steven was originally trying to do would probably not crash on Tiger." Apparently, Apple is trying its best to hide this behaviour.
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RE[2]: The idea that...
by ninjawombat on Fri 30th Nov 2007 21:05 UTC in reply to "RE: The idea that..."
ninjawombat
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2007-11-17

For me its the lack of alternative themes, the one button mouse thing (correct me if this is history now), and the fact that although there is plenty of software, most of it costs money, meaning I'd have to shell out tens of thousands of dollars to get the same functionality I currently enjoy on Linux.


Software - Bogus argument. Whatever you have on Linux for free, you can run on mac (they come with X11 out of the box). I'm even running GNOME and KDE programs natively in OSX. If you want to pay for quality programs, you can also do that. Most Linux software has free Mac-only equivalents too. Tens of thousands of dollars!?? I seriously doubt that. You'd need 10 licenses of Matlab AND the Adobe CS3 Suite to cost that much, and there's no absolutely way you can do that stuff in Linux for free.

Alternative themes - Shapeshifter does this, though it's not free. The default OSX theme is nice enough though and doesn't offend anyone. It's even what I use on my Linux machine ;)

One button mouse - only Apple *laptops* have one button (but support right-clicking), however Apple mice are multi-button, and OSX has always supported right-clicking and 3rd party USB mice.

There's other reasons for choosing Linux over OSX, but if those are your reasons, you should try OSX ;)

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RE[3]: The idea that...
by FooBarWidget on Sat 1st Dec 2007 08:44 in reply to "RE[2]: The idea that..."
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2005-11-11

It isn't bogus. I've seen how running Unix software on the Mac is like, and it's tedious compared to Linux (and I mean Ubuntu specifically).
For example, the SSH server (I don't remember whether it was installed by default or not) was not configured by default. It should be. It's configured by default when I install it in Ubuntu. You can argue that it's "easy to configure sshd" but the fact is I *shouldn't* have to!
Ditto for the development environment. It's a pain compared to Linux - things just aren't setup correctly out of the box! After installing MySQL, a friend of mine (who is a huge Apple fan and OS X user) tried installing Ruby on Rails. It didn't work - the MySQL gem failed to find the MySQL header files. It took me an hour of messing with the command line to fix his setup. Now you can argue that this is the third party's fault, but frankly, nobody really cares whose fault it is! The fact remains that, after installing the MySQL headers on Linux, compilation *just works*, which is not true on OS X.
And finally, the APT software repositories for OS X are tiny compared to Ubuntu. Lots and lots of useful software aren't in the repositories. OS X users will quickly have to rely on compilation - not very user friendly. On Linux, 99.99% of the time I can click "Start"->"Add/Remove Software", select what I want, click Apply, and I'm done.

No this is not a joke. I know this is an unpopular opinion and I'll get modded down to hell for this. But my Mac-using friend is considering switching to Linux. The only thing preventing him from trying out Ubuntu is that he can't figure out how to boot his MacBook from a CD.

Edited 2007-12-01 08:48

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