Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 30th Jan 2008 22:57 UTC, submitted by irbis
Opera Software "Tabs. Mouse gestures. User-agent switcher. Dedicated transfer window. Pop-up blocking and javascript abuse filtering. Integrated search box. Page zoom. Session saver. Chew on those features. We'll be coming back to them."
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umccullough
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2006-01-26

I also hate all the built-in functionality of Opera and would rather have the extensions-based functionality of Firefox.

Why? There's gotta be some reason for that...
Isn't having built-in functionality more convenient?


um ... no. Clearly you come from the "more is better" camp. I'm sorry, but that's just not true, at least not for me.

I just don't want them in front of me

Which functionalities are in front of you? Most functionalities are hidden (ex: mail client, RSS reader, chat client, Usenet client, mouse gestures, etc...). The default interface is not particularly bloated to me: http://i27.tinypic.com/en77n.png


Heh... thats certainly not the default interface that opera started with last time I tried it (prior to Firefox). Opera had its chance to sway me, it failed. I'm no longer interested.

At this point, the only extension I really *need* with Firefox is AdBlock (go crazy without it).

Have you tried Opera's built-in ad blocker?


No, because Opera is no longer on my radar. Adblock works exactly how I expect it to - why would I want to try another ad blocker on a browser I don't use?

It eventually became adware (horrible for someone who only had 31.2kbps dialup while everyone else was on 56kbps or moving to DSL)

I'm puzzled. How much bandwidth will a 10KB banner ad take off your bandwidth when downloaded every 5 minutes? There were even text-based banners. It's really not a bandwidth issue, it's rather an annoyment issue. No one wants to see ads, me neither.


It was more often than every 5 minutes... and it wasn't a 10kb ad either. At a time when ad-supported software was an absolute disaster for me, this was a huge turn-off. In retrospect, ad-supported software simply got a bad name - and Opera was lumped into that category. Being an annoyance was certainly part of that.

by the time they made it completely free, other good free alternatives had risen to overcome it.

By the time it was free, it was too late, people already hated Opera and got their revenge with Firefox which was free of charge and with no ads. Freeing Opera: Too little, too late.

If they'd given the damn thing away, they would have gained a lot more market share.

Absolutely.


At least you agree with me on that one.

Granted, that's not exactly a sustainable business prospect in itself...

When you have a partnership with Google and have hundreds of millions of users, you do make money (see the Mozilla Corporation). Opera was maybe too greedy and didn't expect Firefox would arise and eat them alive. Opera should have been free from the beginning, it would have eaten IE6.


I loved Firefox when it was still Phoenix - and I'm guessing the Google partnership didn't yet exist then. It was a simple browser with a clear goal. It was open-source, cross-platform. It hit my target as both a user and a developer.

Opera didn't.

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