Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 10th Mar 2008 17:52 UTC, submitted by irbis
KDE Ars takes a look at KDE 4.0.2. "When KDE 4.0 was officially released in January, there were a lot of gaping holes in basic functionality. During the past few months, the codebase has matured considerably, and the environment is steadily approaching the point where it will be sufficiently robust for widespread day-to-day use. Although there are still many features missing, version 4.0.2 - which was released last week - offers an improved user experience. We tested KDE 4.0.2 with the recently released Kubuntu 8.04 alpha 6." In addition, there is a new 'visual changelog' for KDE 4.1.
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RE[2]: oy vey
by toothie on Fri 14th Mar 2008 01:10 UTC in reply to "RE: oy vey"
toothie
Member since:
2008-03-11

You are binding us to an element which is in many people's eyes currently not needed and unpleasant.


that is really the core to this whole toolbox thing. its completely incorrect and shortsighted.

the default 'desktop containment' is going to have it. just get over it. i don't have a small screen, but i honestly don't see how you can't ignore it.

whether i'd prefer to have it there or not is irrelavent. because i know its a matter of time before i have the choice of a different (or several) desktop containments that don't have it, or i like better for whatever reason.

so really... having an option to turn it off doesn't make a difference when you'll have the option to replace the whole damn thing. this is the framework the plasma devs are creating. if you really don't want it, its almost a 100% garentee you won't have to have it. so.... there really isn't a problem with it. in the future just don't use aaron's(or default)desktop containment.

so why is it there? i could care less. i know i don't have to have it if i don't want it, given time. so i'm content to sit back and see what becomes of it. even if it proves to be completely useless, doesn't matter, cause aaron desgined a framework that allows for me not to use his desktop containment.

devel in open source is completely open(at least kde), and plasma is in heavy development. so ppl are asking him to explain every design decision he makes. i'm sure the dude's days are full... completely full. i read his blog.. hes a single father(i believe) has responiblies all over kde, is the core designer of plasma, and has a life. i'd rather he spends his time coding then explaining his every action to every news site that allows user feedback.

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RE[3]: oy vey
by Kokopelli on Fri 14th Mar 2008 12:35 in reply to "RE[2]: oy vey"
Kokopelli Member since:
2005-07-06

I respectfully disagree. It is precisely because it will be the default desktop containment that this is an issue. As IE has shown, users tend to stick with the defaults and are too lazy to look for and use alternatives.

The bug on the kde buglist now has 424 votes. (For the record I have not voted for this bug.) That would put it at #15 in the most hated buglist were it not marked "won't fix."

Honestly I am not mad about the subject or at Aaron. I read Aaron's blog and see which way the wind is blowing. It is not that hard for an even moderately competent programmer to remove for his or her desktop. So that is what I have done. (There is even a patch now on the wishlist for its removal, which should make it easier in the future.)

I have followed KDE4 for a while now, watched the google presentations, read the blogs/articles, and gone into api.kde.org so that I could actually understand the api for Plasma. Aaron is a fairly good public speaker and has a clear writing style. So I think I can say that I am aware of the vision of different containments to suit different users and environments. It is a good vision and I look forward to it. That does not mean that I can not comment on aspects of the environment that I have problems with. It is by voicing concerns and disagreements that change may be effected.

In all of the material though I have seen nothing to tell me what purpose the toolbox is meant to serve. The current functions of the toolbox could be handled in any manner of ways, to include a simple middle click dialog. The toolbox may not bother some but it is hard to argue that it does not bother others. Aaron does have better things to do I am sure, and this particular argument has clearly upset him. For that I am truly sorry. But a lot of time and effort has been expended on both sides of the argument. This is why I hoped for a more constructive dialog as to why it is so important. Clearly the amount of effort and comments he has weathered in the process of keeping the cashew shows it is important to him. He discusses the great things that plasma and KDE4 will allow and grow into over time. I see that and am genuinely excited about the possibilities. Unfortunately I fail to see how the great things plasma can and will do pertains to the always present cashew.

Edited 2008-03-14 12:42 UTC

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