Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 21st May 2008 00:09 UTC, submitted by RJop
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless OpenMoko, the project that creates not only a Linux operating system for phones but the hardware to run it as well, has announced some major changes to its software stack. Traditionally a Gtk+ endeavour, this is all going to change rather drastically.
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OpenMoko Vaporware
by hibridmatthias on Wed 21st May 2008 13:36 UTC
hibridmatthias
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2007-04-11

While I am happy to see OpenMoko and Maemo edge toward Qt (my preferred GUI tk for Ruby development) I think all of these people should get going and put out a product. They have made some of the phones available to core devs, but no one else can get a damn phone.

They made a pretty CAD custom hardware designsetup...but no one can get the damn phone...

Are these folks for real? It seems they are a conglomerate of people that just want to collect some developers and pimp them out...maybe to Nokia?

Time to quit talking about what they will do and do somethings...money and action talks...BS walks...

the openmoko platform is as real as the Indrema gaming console...Until they have something to sell, they should quit their shoulda/coulda/woulda BS and get some product out...

Its seems just a bunch of vaporware...

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RE: OpenMoko Vaporware
by TheBadger on Wed 21st May 2008 22:35 in reply to "OpenMoko Vaporware"
TheBadger Member since:
2005-11-14

Are these folks for real? It seems they are a conglomerate of people that just want to collect some developers and pimp them out...maybe to Nokia?


Let us hope not!

Time to quit talking about what they will do and do somethings...money and action talks...BS walks...


Don't let the door hit your behind on the way out, then.

I think you underestimate what it takes to get complicated, regulatory-compliant, mass-producible, *open* hardware out of the door, which is what they're trying to do. Admittedly, they made some mistakes in the first generation of the phone, and the features list had to expand to satisfy all the people demanding WLAN support and other stuff, and even after all this there will be people who claim that it isn't as good as one of the many different devices out there (doesn't have a camera, play high-definition video, is "no good" for gaming or movie editing, and so on), but I think we should reserve judgement until it ships, which will most likely be in the next few weeks.

On the matter of the software, I think the last software environment looked reasonable, despite employing a far too desktop-like paradigm with respect to running tasks, and the icons and general interface hints weren't particularly nice. From what I've seen of Qtopia, perhaps the icons will be nicer, but the paradigm isn't quite what I'd expect from something new.

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RE[2]: OpenMoko Vaporware
by hibridmatthias on Thu 22nd May 2008 16:08 in reply to "RE: OpenMoko Vaporware"
hibridmatthias Member since:
2007-04-11

It is not that I don't appreciate the hurdles that must be attacked and overcome, and I understand the needs to change hardware multiple times et cetera. Those hurdles consume resources, which is partially my point.

The "Are they for real" comment sounded sarcastic, but I didnt mean it that way. In an internet era with claims of non-apple PCs running OSX, SCO saying that UNIX is their property, and Microsoft claiming they want to coexist with FOSS, it is hard to verify the legitimacy of anything on the net until someting ships. Call me cynical, I guess...but only because of past experience...

On the other hand, I really, really want OpenMoko to succeed. The idea of being able to write stuff for my own phone rocks, as does the ability of people to do what they want with their technology (Listen carefully Apple!)! I just don't relish the disappointment many (including myself) will experience if the barriers to entry consume all of the project's resources or if the whole thing is a sham...

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RE[2]: OpenMoko Vaporware
by sorpigal on Fri 23rd May 2008 17:20 in reply to "RE: OpenMoko Vaporware"
sorpigal Member since:
2005-11-02

so don't worry about "fully" anything. Just get something that boots and dials out the door. Release early, release often: it also applies to hardware.

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